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New StreetDecks - nine re-deployed within Go-Ahead Group prior to delivery

 
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JP6004



1,833
29 May 2020, 11:36 am #21
(29 May 2020, 11:30 am)Michael I hope the X1 isn't dropped from the plans, i think its one route which actually deserves an upgrade.



X5/X15 is a PVR of 5
X31 is 4 PVR


Maybe those services will miss out?

However i wonder if they would get the Red Arrow B9's in place with the B9's going for a refurbishment?
U might be right there.
JP6004
29 May 2020, 11:36 am #21

(29 May 2020, 11:30 am)Michael I hope the X1 isn't dropped from the plans, i think its one route which actually deserves an upgrade.



X5/X15 is a PVR of 5
X31 is 4 PVR


Maybe those services will miss out?

However i wonder if they would get the Red Arrow B9's in place with the B9's going for a refurbishment?
U might be right there.

Michael



19,175
29 May 2020, 11:42 am #22
(29 May 2020, 11:36 am)JP6004 U might be right there.

Just because he did mention refurbishments, and the B9's will become spare once the X1 gets the E400's.


Would work well


There's 14 Red Arrow B9's -

9 B9's for the X5/X15 and X31

2 dedicated spares

3 replace older deckers within the fleet - in X-lines spare livery - if more branded spares needed.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 May 2020, 11:42 am #22

(29 May 2020, 11:36 am)JP6004 U might be right there.

Just because he did mention refurbishments, and the B9's will become spare once the X1 gets the E400's.


Would work well


There's 14 Red Arrow B9's -

9 B9's for the X5/X15 and X31

2 dedicated spares

3 replace older deckers within the fleet - in X-lines spare livery - if more branded spares needed.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

S813 FVK



6,030
29 May 2020, 11:53 am #23
Would agree that the X5/X15 would be the first to be dropped from the plans (though the PVR is only 4 as far as I'm aware).

X31 currently interworks with X45/X46 so nothing will probably change there.
S813 FVK
29 May 2020, 11:53 am #23

Would agree that the X5/X15 would be the first to be dropped from the plans (though the PVR is only 4 as far as I'm aware).

X31 currently interworks with X45/X46 so nothing will probably change there.

Michael



19,175
29 May 2020, 11:56 am #24
(29 May 2020, 11:53 am)S813 FVK Would agree that the X5/X15 would be the first to be dropped from the plans (though the PVR is only 4 as far as I'm aware).

X31 currently interworks with X45/X46 so nothing will probably change there.

Ah right!

I never know the interworking these days haha

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 May 2020, 11:56 am #24

(29 May 2020, 11:53 am)S813 FVK Would agree that the X5/X15 would be the first to be dropped from the plans (though the PVR is only 4 as far as I'm aware).

X31 currently interworks with X45/X46 so nothing will probably change there.

Ah right!

I never know the interworking these days haha


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

JP6004



1,833
29 May 2020, 11:59 am #25
(29 May 2020, 11:56 am)Michael Ah right!

I never know the interworking these days haha
Would they continue to inter work within being branded different Xlines colour?
JP6004
29 May 2020, 11:59 am #25

(29 May 2020, 11:56 am)Michael Ah right!

I never know the interworking these days haha
Would they continue to inter work within being branded different Xlines colour?

Michael



19,175
29 May 2020, 12:03 pm #26
(29 May 2020, 11:59 am)JP6004 Would they continue to inter work within being branded different Xlines colour?

Hopefully would try and have them the same colours

Has anyone got the X-Lines map which was post a while back?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 May 2020, 12:03 pm #26

(29 May 2020, 11:59 am)JP6004 Would they continue to inter work within being branded different Xlines colour?

Hopefully would try and have them the same colours

Has anyone got the X-Lines map which was post a while back?


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

29 May 2020, 12:08 pm #27
(29 May 2020, 12:03 pm)Michael Hopefully would try and have them the same colours

Has anyone got the X-Lines map which was post a while back?

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Looks like there'll be three different shades of green, seems a bit overkill to me like, especially since the E400s were painted the wrong shade originally and had to be repainted into the right one. Wouldn't it have made a lot more sense to have them all the same green then vehicles could be shared between them.

Then again, it's not as if the average person will be able to tell the difference if they mix them up now and again, except from the silhouette on the side and no doubt the vinyls inside
streetdeckfan
29 May 2020, 12:08 pm #27

(29 May 2020, 12:03 pm)Michael Hopefully would try and have them the same colours

Has anyone got the X-Lines map which was post a while back?

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Looks like there'll be three different shades of green, seems a bit overkill to me like, especially since the E400s were painted the wrong shade originally and had to be repainted into the right one. Wouldn't it have made a lot more sense to have them all the same green then vehicles could be shared between them.

Then again, it's not as if the average person will be able to tell the difference if they mix them up now and again, except from the silhouette on the side and no doubt the vinyls inside

Michael



19,175
29 May 2020, 12:19 pm #28
(29 May 2020, 12:08 pm)streetdeckfan [Image: attachment.php?aid=9396]

Thanks Smile

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 May 2020, 12:19 pm #28

(29 May 2020, 12:08 pm)streetdeckfan [Image: attachment.php?aid=9396]

Thanks Smile


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Drifter60



551
29 May 2020, 12:48 pm #29
(29 May 2020, 12:08 pm)streetdeckfan [Image: attachment.php?aid=9396]



Looks like there'll be three different shades of green, seems a bit overkill to me like, especially since the E400s were painted the wrong shade originally and had to be repainted into the right one. Wouldn't it have made a lot more sense to have them all the same green then vehicles could be shared between them.

Then again, it's not as if the average person will be able to tell the difference if they mix them up now and again, except from the silhouette on the side and no doubt the vinyls inside

Will the X30/X31 and X45/X46/X47 not be like how the X6/X7 and X20 work, where the livery will combines the two shades one used for each group of routes and therefore they’ll all be like the green seen on the X30s? The third shade of green just used to mark on the map?
Drifter60
29 May 2020, 12:48 pm #29

(29 May 2020, 12:08 pm)streetdeckfan [Image: attachment.php?aid=9396]



Looks like there'll be three different shades of green, seems a bit overkill to me like, especially since the E400s were painted the wrong shade originally and had to be repainted into the right one. Wouldn't it have made a lot more sense to have them all the same green then vehicles could be shared between them.

Then again, it's not as if the average person will be able to tell the difference if they mix them up now and again, except from the silhouette on the side and no doubt the vinyls inside

Will the X30/X31 and X45/X46/X47 not be like how the X6/X7 and X20 work, where the livery will combines the two shades one used for each group of routes and therefore they’ll all be like the green seen on the X30s? The third shade of green just used to mark on the map?

29 May 2020, 12:53 pm #30
(29 May 2020, 12:48 pm)Drifter60 Will the X30/X31 and X45/X46/X47 not be like how the X6/X7 and X20 work, where the livery will combines the two shades one used for each group of routes and therefore they’ll all be like the green seen on the X30s? The third shade of green just used to mark on the map?

Could well be, although I'm sure it was confirmed at some point that there would be at least two different shades of green used
streetdeckfan
29 May 2020, 12:53 pm #30

(29 May 2020, 12:48 pm)Drifter60 Will the X30/X31 and X45/X46/X47 not be like how the X6/X7 and X20 work, where the livery will combines the two shades one used for each group of routes and therefore they’ll all be like the green seen on the X30s? The third shade of green just used to mark on the map?

Could well be, although I'm sure it was confirmed at some point that there would be at least two different shades of green used

6049



259
29 May 2020, 1:28 pm #31
All the talk coming from GNE seems to indicates that the X1 will still be receiving the new E400s. Wouldn't make sense to keep running the X1 on the oldest B9s in the fleet which would need repainting into X-Lines anyway.

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6049
29 May 2020, 1:28 pm #31

All the talk coming from GNE seems to indicates that the X1 will still be receiving the new E400s. Wouldn't make sense to keep running the X1 on the oldest B9s in the fleet which would need repainting into X-Lines anyway.

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JP6004



1,833
29 May 2020, 1:38 pm #32
(29 May 2020, 1:28 pm)6049 All the talk coming from GNE seems to indicates that the X1 will still be receiving the new E400s. Wouldn't make sense to keep running the X1 on the oldest B9s in the fleet which would need repainting into X-Lines anyway.

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Already been confirmed E400s for X1 with one going to Consett to make up PVR on X31. One of the older black Xline E400 transfer to washy as the spare
JP6004
29 May 2020, 1:38 pm #32

(29 May 2020, 1:28 pm)6049 All the talk coming from GNE seems to indicates that the X1 will still be receiving the new E400s. Wouldn't make sense to keep running the X1 on the oldest B9s in the fleet which would need repainting into X-Lines anyway.

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Already been confirmed E400s for X1 with one going to Consett to make up PVR on X31. One of the older black Xline E400 transfer to washy as the spare

29 May 2020, 1:41 pm #33
(29 May 2020, 1:28 pm)6049 All the talk coming from GNE seems to indicates that the X1 will still be receiving the new E400s. Wouldn't make sense to keep running the X1 on the oldest B9s in the fleet which would need repainting into X-Lines anyway.

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I still don't understand why they ordered low height E400s for the X1 when the route doesn't need them.
The new ones they have on the X30 are nice, but they feel so claustrophobic upstairs with the low ceiling compared to 6337 which is noticeably taller. I've lost count of the times I've hit my head when standing up or walking up the stairs
streetdeckfan
29 May 2020, 1:41 pm #33

(29 May 2020, 1:28 pm)6049 All the talk coming from GNE seems to indicates that the X1 will still be receiving the new E400s. Wouldn't make sense to keep running the X1 on the oldest B9s in the fleet which would need repainting into X-Lines anyway.

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I still don't understand why they ordered low height E400s for the X1 when the route doesn't need them.
The new ones they have on the X30 are nice, but they feel so claustrophobic upstairs with the low ceiling compared to 6337 which is noticeably taller. I've lost count of the times I've hit my head when standing up or walking up the stairs

6049



259
29 May 2020, 3:19 pm #34
(29 May 2020, 1:41 pm)streetdeckfan I still don't understand why they ordered low height E400s for the X1 when the route doesn't need them.
The new ones they have on the X30 are nice, but they feel so claustrophobic upstairs with the low ceiling compared to 6337 which is noticeably taller. I've lost count of the times I've hit my head when standing up or walking up the stairs
It kinda makes sense for fleet flexibility so if any issues with the X30s occured, a Washington one could be transferred and a spare full size decker used on yhe X1. However, as someone who is well over 6ft, and is used to bashing his head upstairs on a full height decker - I'd really prefer them to have not been the low height version. Looking forward to taking one for a spin when they arrive.

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6049
29 May 2020, 3:19 pm #34

(29 May 2020, 1:41 pm)streetdeckfan I still don't understand why they ordered low height E400s for the X1 when the route doesn't need them.
The new ones they have on the X30 are nice, but they feel so claustrophobic upstairs with the low ceiling compared to 6337 which is noticeably taller. I've lost count of the times I've hit my head when standing up or walking up the stairs
It kinda makes sense for fleet flexibility so if any issues with the X30s occured, a Washington one could be transferred and a spare full size decker used on yhe X1. However, as someone who is well over 6ft, and is used to bashing his head upstairs on a full height decker - I'd really prefer them to have not been the low height version. Looking forward to taking one for a spin when they arrive.

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Andreos1



14,251
29 May 2020, 3:40 pm #35
(29 May 2020, 3:19 pm)6049 It kinda makes sense for fleet flexibility so if any issues with the X30s occured, a Washington one could be transferred and a spare full size decker used on yhe X1. However, as someone who is well over 6ft, and is used to bashing his head upstairs on a full height decker - I'd really prefer them to have not been the low height version. Looking forward to taking one for a spin when they arrive.

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I've not checked, but pretty certain the ECW VR's were low height. Can't remember what they were like upstairs, but can remember the downstairs saloon being quite cramped.

As you say, ideal for fleet flexibility.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
29 May 2020, 3:40 pm #35

(29 May 2020, 3:19 pm)6049 It kinda makes sense for fleet flexibility so if any issues with the X30s occured, a Washington one could be transferred and a spare full size decker used on yhe X1. However, as someone who is well over 6ft, and is used to bashing his head upstairs on a full height decker - I'd really prefer them to have not been the low height version. Looking forward to taking one for a spin when they arrive.

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I've not checked, but pretty certain the ECW VR's were low height. Can't remember what they were like upstairs, but can remember the downstairs saloon being quite cramped.

As you say, ideal for fleet flexibility.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

29 May 2020, 5:38 pm #36
(29 May 2020, 3:19 pm)6049 It kinda makes sense for fleet flexibility so if any issues with the X30s occured, a Washington one could be transferred and a spare full size decker used on yhe X1. However, as someone who is well over 6ft, and is used to bashing his head upstairs on a full height decker - I'd really prefer them to have not been the low height version. Looking forward to taking one for a spin when they arrive.

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They didn't even need to order them that low for the X30 though. Like I said 6337 is considerably taller (from the inside anyway) and it fits under the bridge in Dunston without issue
streetdeckfan
29 May 2020, 5:38 pm #36

(29 May 2020, 3:19 pm)6049 It kinda makes sense for fleet flexibility so if any issues with the X30s occured, a Washington one could be transferred and a spare full size decker used on yhe X1. However, as someone who is well over 6ft, and is used to bashing his head upstairs on a full height decker - I'd really prefer them to have not been the low height version. Looking forward to taking one for a spin when they arrive.

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They didn't even need to order them that low for the X30 though. Like I said 6337 is considerably taller (from the inside anyway) and it fits under the bridge in Dunston without issue

mb134



4,162
29 May 2020, 6:25 pm #37
(29 May 2020, 5:38 pm)streetdeckfan They didn't even need to order them that low for the X30 though. Like I said 6337 is considerably taller (from the inside anyway) and it fits under the bridge in Dunston without issue

But in terms of future proofing the fleet it's better to be safe than sorry - also probably helps for resale. A low-height decker is just far more flexible. 

I'm sure if 6337 was ordered by GNE then it would have been low height - but it's not really practical to go and chop down a second hand bus just for a potential future use case.
mb134
29 May 2020, 6:25 pm #37

(29 May 2020, 5:38 pm)streetdeckfan They didn't even need to order them that low for the X30 though. Like I said 6337 is considerably taller (from the inside anyway) and it fits under the bridge in Dunston without issue

But in terms of future proofing the fleet it's better to be safe than sorry - also probably helps for resale. A low-height decker is just far more flexible. 

I'm sure if 6337 was ordered by GNE then it would have been low height - but it's not really practical to go and chop down a second hand bus just for a potential future use case.

29 May 2020, 6:35 pm #38
(29 May 2020, 6:25 pm)mb134 But in terms of future proofing the fleet it's better to be safe than sorry - also probably helps for resale. A low-height decker is just far more flexible. 

I'm sure if 6337 was ordered by GNE then it would have been low height - but it's not really practical to go and chop down a second hand bus just for a potential future use case.

But by that logic, why didn't they order low height StreetDecks?

It just doesn't make sense to me why they would make the passenger experience considerably worse for 'flexibilty'
streetdeckfan
29 May 2020, 6:35 pm #38

(29 May 2020, 6:25 pm)mb134 But in terms of future proofing the fleet it's better to be safe than sorry - also probably helps for resale. A low-height decker is just far more flexible. 

I'm sure if 6337 was ordered by GNE then it would have been low height - but it's not really practical to go and chop down a second hand bus just for a potential future use case.

But by that logic, why didn't they order low height StreetDecks?

It just doesn't make sense to me why they would make the passenger experience considerably worse for 'flexibilty'

S813 FVK



6,030
29 May 2020, 6:36 pm #39
(29 May 2020, 6:35 pm)streetdeckfan But by that logic, why didn't they order low height StreetDecks?

It just doesn't make sense to me why they would make the passenger experience considerably worse for 'flexibilty'

I'm not sure it's that big of an issue. You're the only one I've seen complaining about it.
S813 FVK
29 May 2020, 6:36 pm #39

(29 May 2020, 6:35 pm)streetdeckfan But by that logic, why didn't they order low height StreetDecks?

It just doesn't make sense to me why they would make the passenger experience considerably worse for 'flexibilty'

I'm not sure it's that big of an issue. You're the only one I've seen complaining about it.

mb134



4,162
29 May 2020, 7:05 pm #40
(29 May 2020, 6:35 pm)streetdeckfan But by that logic, why didn't they order low height StreetDecks?

It just doesn't make sense to me why they would make the passenger experience considerably worse for 'flexibilty'

I'm sorry but I don't see any passenger experience issues with low height E400s - I'm over 6ft and I don't have a huge issue on any of Arriva's low height E400s. 

In terms of not ordering low height Streetdecks, there's likely a number of reasons. Are they a similar height to low-height E400s? Is there a substantial cost difference? Did it change order time frames?
mb134
29 May 2020, 7:05 pm #40

(29 May 2020, 6:35 pm)streetdeckfan But by that logic, why didn't they order low height StreetDecks?

It just doesn't make sense to me why they would make the passenger experience considerably worse for 'flexibilty'

I'm sorry but I don't see any passenger experience issues with low height E400s - I'm over 6ft and I don't have a huge issue on any of Arriva's low height E400s. 

In terms of not ordering low height Streetdecks, there's likely a number of reasons. Are they a similar height to low-height E400s? Is there a substantial cost difference? Did it change order time frames?

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