Go North East - Future Order Predictions
Go North East - Future Order Predictions
(14 Aug 2020, 9:07 pm)Storx I really can't see any new deckers for a while personally. The minibus fleet is aging badly and will need replacing by 2022 and there's also the Omnicities, Citaros and early Versas all due or starting to be due by then. Realistically no deckers really need to be replaced before 2026 now which are in frontline work.
(14 Aug 2020, 9:07 pm)Storx I really can't see any new deckers for a while personally. The minibus fleet is aging badly and will need replacing by 2022 and there's also the Omnicities, Citaros and early Versas all due or starting to be due by then. Realistically no deckers really need to be replaced before 2026 now which are in frontline work.
(25 May 2021, 8:22 pm)L469 YVK My prediction for 2022/23
- New vehicles for the Angel & few extras for XLines (depending on network changes)
- StreetDecks cascaded to Percy Main for Cobalt & Coast
- Cobalt B9's partially repainted and allocated to TVT
- Current TVT B9s either cascaded within GNE or wider GAG
(25 May 2021, 8:22 pm)L469 YVK My prediction for 2022/23
- New vehicles for the Angel & few extras for XLines (depending on network changes)
- StreetDecks cascaded to Percy Main for Cobalt & Coast
- Cobalt B9's partially repainted and allocated to TVT
- Current TVT B9s either cascaded within GNE or wider GAG
(25 May 2021, 8:31 pm)GNE6312 Tbh the 21 doesn't need new buses as tge current ones are only turning 4 this year so are still relatively new, the C&C was just refurbished so doubt those B9s will be off those routes for a good few years. The Tyne Valley Ten probd needs new buses going off whats been in the mentioned on the thread regarding break downs on those services maybe order some OM936 streetdecks for the X9/10, maybe if the elites continue with their reliability issues GNE should prehaps find some more suitable coaches for the X9/10 (maybe even 7111/7128/30/32/35-37 with 7108/10 being spares) if the elites don't shape up soon.Don't forget, the 21 is GNE's 'flagship' route (or one of them) so would no doubt be a good candidate to receive the newest vehicles.
(25 May 2021, 8:31 pm)GNE6312 Tbh the 21 doesn't need new buses as tge current ones are only turning 4 this year so are still relatively new, the C&C was just refurbished so doubt those B9s will be off those routes for a good few years. The Tyne Valley Ten probd needs new buses going off whats been in the mentioned on the thread regarding break downs on those services maybe order some OM936 streetdecks for the X9/10, maybe if the elites continue with their reliability issues GNE should prehaps find some more suitable coaches for the X9/10 (maybe even 7111/7128/30/32/35-37 with 7108/10 being spares) if the elites don't shape up soon.Don't forget, the 21 is GNE's 'flagship' route (or one of them) so would no doubt be a good candidate to receive the newest vehicles.
(25 May 2021, 8:29 pm)OrangeArrow49 Minibus fleet? The Little Coasters Solos are not the best, and whatever Optare Solos there are elsewhere, but the SRs are fine. Sprinters 729/720 are new. Lots of SRs on Venture, Little Pinks, Little Coasters, Tynedale Links and not sure what else, they seem fine. Which ones do you think need replacing? Agree no deckers are really needed, but doubt the minibus fleet will be replaced next year.AFAIK the tynedale links services are contracted. NCC may stipulate euro 6 buses for these routes which would mean either new buses or upgrade to current solos
(25 May 2021, 8:29 pm)OrangeArrow49 Minibus fleet? The Little Coasters Solos are not the best, and whatever Optare Solos there are elsewhere, but the SRs are fine. Sprinters 729/720 are new. Lots of SRs on Venture, Little Pinks, Little Coasters, Tynedale Links and not sure what else, they seem fine. Which ones do you think need replacing? Agree no deckers are really needed, but doubt the minibus fleet will be replaced next year.AFAIK the tynedale links services are contracted. NCC may stipulate euro 6 buses for these routes which would mean either new buses or upgrade to current solos
(25 May 2021, 8:29 pm)OrangeArrow49 Minibus fleet? The Little Coasters Solos are not the best, and whatever Optare Solos there are elsewhere, but the SRs are fine. Sprinters 729/720 are new. Lots of SRs on Venture, Little Pinks, Little Coasters, Tynedale Links and not sure what else, they seem fine. Which ones do you think need replacing? Agree no deckers are really needed, but doubt the minibus fleet will be replaced next year.
(25 May 2021, 8:29 pm)OrangeArrow49 Minibus fleet? The Little Coasters Solos are not the best, and whatever Optare Solos there are elsewhere, but the SRs are fine. Sprinters 729/720 are new. Lots of SRs on Venture, Little Pinks, Little Coasters, Tynedale Links and not sure what else, they seem fine. Which ones do you think need replacing? Agree no deckers are really needed, but doubt the minibus fleet will be replaced next year.
(25 May 2021, 8:53 pm)L469 YVK Don't forget, the 21 is GNE's 'flagship' route (or one of them) so would no doubt be a good candidate to receive the newest vehicles.
(25 May 2021, 8:53 pm)L469 YVK Don't forget, the 21 is GNE's 'flagship' route (or one of them) so would no doubt be a good candidate to receive the newest vehicles.
Legitimate question here, why does everybody seem to be obsessed with getting heavier duty vehicles (like the E400MMC and 6 cylinder StreetDeck) for routes that a lighter duty vehicle (like the 4 cylinder StreetDeck) would be more than adequate for?
Just because a route is currently run with B9s, it doesn't mean it needs to be replaced with a vehicle of equivalent power.
Take the 10s for instance, now granted I haven't used them for a while for obvious reasons, but I don't think there is a part of the route that a 4 Cylinder StreetDeck would struggle (I may be wrong on that though)
From my experience the StreetDecks used on the X1 seem to be perfectly fine.
And I think we can all agree that the B9s on the Cobalts are beyond overkill!
(26 May 2021, 8:42 am)streetdeckfan Legitimate question here, why does everybody seem to be obsessed with getting heavier duty vehicles (like the E400MMC and 6 cylinder StreetDeck) for routes that a lighter duty vehicle (like the 4 cylinder StreetDeck) would be more than adequate for?
Just because a route is currently run with B9s, it doesn't mean it needs to be replaced with a vehicle of equivalent power.
Take the 10s for instance, now granted I haven't used them for a while for obvious reasons, but I don't think there is a part of the route that a 4 Cylinder StreetDeck would struggle (I may be wrong on that though)
From my experience the StreetDecks used on the X1 seem to be perfectly fine.
And I think we can all agree that the B9s on the Cobalts are beyond overkill!
(26 May 2021, 8:42 am)streetdeckfan Legitimate question here, why does everybody seem to be obsessed with getting heavier duty vehicles (like the E400MMC and 6 cylinder StreetDeck) for routes that a lighter duty vehicle (like the 4 cylinder StreetDeck) would be more than adequate for?
Just because a route is currently run with B9s, it doesn't mean it needs to be replaced with a vehicle of equivalent power.
Take the 10s for instance, now granted I haven't used them for a while for obvious reasons, but I don't think there is a part of the route that a 4 Cylinder StreetDeck would struggle (I may be wrong on that though)
From my experience the StreetDecks used on the X1 seem to be perfectly fine.
And I think we can all agree that the B9s on the Cobalts are beyond overkill!
(26 May 2021, 9:30 am)Andreos1 I used the X20 yesterday. First time since the vehicles were upgraded from Solo.
Versus the Streetlites on it prior and the Solos which haven't long been displaced, the 11 year old Merc was a much nicer experience.
Obviously it's the heavier of the 3, but the ride quality was better and the rattles fewer.
Some people may be obsessed with engine power or torque and it may be that a lower spec engine is suitable for that route.
However build quality and the structure of the vehicle is just as important if not more important - from a passenger perspective.
A Streetlite may be powerful enough to work the Durham - Stanley route and it may save the operator a few quid in fuel costs. But is the on-board experience and ride quality worse or better than when the Mercs ran it?
(26 May 2021, 9:30 am)Andreos1 I used the X20 yesterday. First time since the vehicles were upgraded from Solo.
Versus the Streetlites on it prior and the Solos which haven't long been displaced, the 11 year old Merc was a much nicer experience.
Obviously it's the heavier of the 3, but the ride quality was better and the rattles fewer.
Some people may be obsessed with engine power or torque and it may be that a lower spec engine is suitable for that route.
However build quality and the structure of the vehicle is just as important if not more important - from a passenger perspective.
A Streetlite may be powerful enough to work the Durham - Stanley route and it may save the operator a few quid in fuel costs. But is the on-board experience and ride quality worse or better than when the Mercs ran it?
(26 May 2021, 9:30 am)Andreos1 I used the X20 yesterday. First time since the vehicles were upgraded from Solo.
Versus the Streetlites on it prior and the Solos which haven't long been displaced, the 11 year old Merc was a much nicer experience.
Obviously it's the heavier of the 3, but the ride quality was better and the rattles fewer.
Some people may be obsessed with engine power or torque and it may be that a lower spec engine is suitable for that route.
However build quality and the structure of the vehicle is just as important if not more important - from a passenger perspective.
A Streetlite may be powerful enough to work the Durham - Stanley route and it may save the operator a few quid in fuel costs. But is the on-board experience and ride quality worse or better than when the Mercs ran it?
(26 May 2021, 9:30 am)Andreos1 I used the X20 yesterday. First time since the vehicles were upgraded from Solo.
Versus the Streetlites on it prior and the Solos which haven't long been displaced, the 11 year old Merc was a much nicer experience.
Obviously it's the heavier of the 3, but the ride quality was better and the rattles fewer.
Some people may be obsessed with engine power or torque and it may be that a lower spec engine is suitable for that route.
However build quality and the structure of the vehicle is just as important if not more important - from a passenger perspective.
A Streetlite may be powerful enough to work the Durham - Stanley route and it may save the operator a few quid in fuel costs. But is the on-board experience and ride quality worse or better than when the Mercs ran it?
(26 May 2021, 9:52 am)streetdeckfan I see where you're coming from with the Citaro and StreetLite, but from a passenger perspective, the new 4 cylinder StreetDecks are equivalent or better than an E400MMC (in terms of comfort and experience), and equal to the 6 cylinder StreetDeck (since they're the same vehicle).
But equally, if Wright had actually put some effort into the StreetLite, improved the build quality and the suspension like they have with the new StreetDecks, the Streetlites would be a much nicer experience.
I suppose it comes down to looking at each vehicle on it's own merit
(26 May 2021, 10:45 am)deanmachine You must have been lucky to get a none rattly Merc!
(26 May 2021, 9:52 am)streetdeckfan I see where you're coming from with the Citaro and StreetLite, but from a passenger perspective, the new 4 cylinder StreetDecks are equivalent or better than an E400MMC (in terms of comfort and experience), and equal to the 6 cylinder StreetDeck (since they're the same vehicle).
But equally, if Wright had actually put some effort into the StreetLite, improved the build quality and the suspension like they have with the new StreetDecks, the Streetlites would be a much nicer experience.
I suppose it comes down to looking at each vehicle on it's own merit
(26 May 2021, 10:45 am)deanmachine You must have been lucky to get a none rattly Merc!
(26 May 2021, 10:45 am)deanmachine You must have been lucky to get a none rattly Merc!
(26 May 2021, 10:45 am)deanmachine You must have been lucky to get a none rattly Merc!
(26 May 2021, 10:59 am)Andreos1 And I think that's what is a key element in making a route successful or at least maintaining its success.Sound familiar?,the Little Coasters,they were successful until they shoved the current buses on there
The 35 was apparently making more money than the 20 a few years back, but has seen the vehicle allocation change, its route change and then its frequency reduce.
Coincidence?
It's now allocated the same sort of vehicles it attracted as new 10+ years ago.
(26 May 2021, 10:59 am)Andreos1 And I think that's what is a key element in making a route successful or at least maintaining its success.Sound familiar?,the Little Coasters,they were successful until they shoved the current buses on there
The 35 was apparently making more money than the 20 a few years back, but has seen the vehicle allocation change, its route change and then its frequency reduce.
Coincidence?
It's now allocated the same sort of vehicles it attracted as new 10+ years ago.
(26 May 2021, 11:28 am)V514DFT Sound familiar?,the Little Coasters,they were successful until they shoved the current buses on there
(26 May 2021, 11:28 am)V514DFT Sound familiar?,the Little Coasters,they were successful until they shoved the current buses on there
(26 May 2021, 11:02 am)streetdeckfan While the Citaros rattle, they're nothing compared to the door on the StreetLite
(26 May 2021, 11:02 am)streetdeckfan While the Citaros rattle, they're nothing compared to the door on the StreetLite
(26 May 2021, 11:02 am)streetdeckfan While the Citaros rattle, they're nothing compared to the door on the StreetLiteA lot of work has been put into resolving the door rattles especially on the coast & country streetlites, you might be surprised at the rattle free experience of the likes of 5406.
(26 May 2021, 11:02 am)streetdeckfan While the Citaros rattle, they're nothing compared to the door on the StreetLiteA lot of work has been put into resolving the door rattles especially on the coast & country streetlites, you might be surprised at the rattle free experience of the likes of 5406.
(26 May 2021, 8:42 am)streetdeckfan Legitimate question here, why does everybody seem to be obsessed with getting heavier duty vehicles (like the E400MMC and 6 cylinder StreetDeck) for routes that a lighter duty vehicle (like the 4 cylinder StreetDeck) would be more than adequate for?
Just because a route is currently run with B9s, it doesn't mean it needs to be replaced with a vehicle of equivalent power.
Take the 10s for instance, now granted I haven't used them for a while for obvious reasons, but I don't think there is a part of the route that a 4 Cylinder StreetDeck would struggle (I may be wrong on that though)
From my experience the StreetDecks used on the X1 seem to be perfectly fine.
And I think we can all agree that the B9s on the Cobalts are beyond overkill!
(26 May 2021, 9:30 am)Andreos1 I used the X20 yesterday. First time since the vehicles were upgraded from Solo.
Versus the Streetlites on it prior and the Solos which haven't long been displaced, the 11 year old Merc was a much nicer experience.
Obviously it's the heavier of the 3, but the ride quality was better and the rattles fewer.
Some people may be obsessed with engine power or torque and it may be that a lower spec engine is suitable for that route.
However build quality and the structure of the vehicle is just as important if not more important - from a passenger perspective.
A Streetlite may be powerful enough to work the Durham - Stanley route and it may save the operator a few quid in fuel costs. But is the on-board experience and ride quality worse or better than when the Mercs ran it?
(26 May 2021, 8:42 am)streetdeckfan Legitimate question here, why does everybody seem to be obsessed with getting heavier duty vehicles (like the E400MMC and 6 cylinder StreetDeck) for routes that a lighter duty vehicle (like the 4 cylinder StreetDeck) would be more than adequate for?
Just because a route is currently run with B9s, it doesn't mean it needs to be replaced with a vehicle of equivalent power.
Take the 10s for instance, now granted I haven't used them for a while for obvious reasons, but I don't think there is a part of the route that a 4 Cylinder StreetDeck would struggle (I may be wrong on that though)
From my experience the StreetDecks used on the X1 seem to be perfectly fine.
And I think we can all agree that the B9s on the Cobalts are beyond overkill!
(26 May 2021, 9:30 am)Andreos1 I used the X20 yesterday. First time since the vehicles were upgraded from Solo.
Versus the Streetlites on it prior and the Solos which haven't long been displaced, the 11 year old Merc was a much nicer experience.
Obviously it's the heavier of the 3, but the ride quality was better and the rattles fewer.
Some people may be obsessed with engine power or torque and it may be that a lower spec engine is suitable for that route.
However build quality and the structure of the vehicle is just as important if not more important - from a passenger perspective.
A Streetlite may be powerful enough to work the Durham - Stanley route and it may save the operator a few quid in fuel costs. But is the on-board experience and ride quality worse or better than when the Mercs ran it?
(26 May 2021, 8:42 am)streetdeckfan Legitimate question here, why does everybody seem to be obsessed with getting heavier duty vehicles (like the E400MMC and 6 cylinder StreetDeck) for routes that a lighter duty vehicle (like the 4 cylinder StreetDeck) would be more than adequate for?I'd say on a per route basis, they need the following (these are NOT order suggestions but more more a vehicle to route match):
Just because a route is currently run with B9s, it doesn't mean it needs to be replaced with a vehicle of equivalent power.
Take the 10s for instance, now granted I haven't used them for a while for obvious reasons, but I don't think there is a part of the route that a 4 Cylinder StreetDeck would struggle (I may be wrong on that though)
From my experience the StreetDecks used on the X1 seem to be perfectly fine.
And I think we can all agree that the B9s on the Cobalts are beyond overkill!
(26 May 2021, 8:42 am)streetdeckfan Legitimate question here, why does everybody seem to be obsessed with getting heavier duty vehicles (like the E400MMC and 6 cylinder StreetDeck) for routes that a lighter duty vehicle (like the 4 cylinder StreetDeck) would be more than adequate for?I'd say on a per route basis, they need the following (these are NOT order suggestions but more more a vehicle to route match):
Just because a route is currently run with B9s, it doesn't mean it needs to be replaced with a vehicle of equivalent power.
Take the 10s for instance, now granted I haven't used them for a while for obvious reasons, but I don't think there is a part of the route that a 4 Cylinder StreetDeck would struggle (I may be wrong on that though)
From my experience the StreetDecks used on the X1 seem to be perfectly fine.
And I think we can all agree that the B9s on the Cobalts are beyond overkill!
(26 May 2021, 4:46 pm)L469 YVK I'd say on a per route basis, they need the following (these are NOT order suggestions but more more a vehicle to route match):
OM934 Cylinder StreetDeck:
- 21, 27, 56, 58, 309/310/311/X39, X45, X46
OM936 StreetDeck:
- X9/X10 (if returned from Coaches in future), X21
ADL E400MMC:
- 10/10A/10B/10X, X1, X30/X31, X47, X70/X71
(26 May 2021, 4:46 pm)L469 YVK I'd say on a per route basis, they need the following (these are NOT order suggestions but more more a vehicle to route match):
OM934 Cylinder StreetDeck:
- 21, 27, 56, 58, 309/310/311/X39, X45, X46
OM936 StreetDeck:
- X9/X10 (if returned from Coaches in future), X21
ADL E400MMC:
- 10/10A/10B/10X, X1, X30/X31, X47, X70/X71
(26 May 2021, 4:46 pm)L469 YVK I'd say on a per route basis, they need the following (these are NOT order suggestions but more more a vehicle to route match):
OM934 Cylinder StreetDeck:
- 21, 27, 56, 58, 309/310/311/X39, X45, X46
OM936 StreetDeck:
- X9/X10 (if returned from Coaches in future), X21
ADL E400MMC:
- 10/10A/10B/10X, X1, X30/X31, X47, X70/X71
(26 May 2021, 7:12 pm)Adrian Removing the interdecks from the X9/X10 would be a massive backward step.
(26 May 2021, 1:04 pm)Stanleyone A lot of work has been put into resolving the door rattles especially on the coast & country streetlites, you might be surprised at the rattle free experience of the likes of 5406.
(26 May 2021, 4:46 pm)L469 YVK I'd say on a per route basis, they need the following (these are NOT order suggestions but more more a vehicle to route match):
OM934 Cylinder StreetDeck:
- 21, 27, 56, 58, 309/310/311/X39, X45, X46
OM936 StreetDeck:
- X9/X10 (if returned from Coaches in future), X21
ADL E400MMC:
- 10/10A/10B/10X, X1, X30/X31, X47, X70/X71
(26 May 2021, 7:12 pm)Adrian Removing the interdecks from the X9/X10 would be a massive backward step.
(26 May 2021, 1:04 pm)Stanleyone A lot of work has been put into resolving the door rattles especially on the coast & country streetlites, you might be surprised at the rattle free experience of the likes of 5406.
