Go North East - Future Order Predictions
Go North East - Future Order Predictions
(04 Oct 2021, 7:41 am)54APhotography As many people on day trips to South Shields have found, the Chester Moor terminators are earlier than ever now. But the 20 is surely better option for Durham daytrippers?As a regular user of the 50, i think putting more double deckers on might be benefical, I know there are two boards that are allocated an omnidekka, maybe buying new buses for the 10s, 56, etc... then displacing some of the B9's on to the 50 would be a solution, cause It can get very busy.
(04 Oct 2021, 7:41 am)54APhotography As many people on day trips to South Shields have found, the Chester Moor terminators are earlier than ever now. But the 20 is surely better option for Durham daytrippers?As a regular user of the 50, i think putting more double deckers on might be benefical, I know there are two boards that are allocated an omnidekka, maybe buying new buses for the 10s, 56, etc... then displacing some of the B9's on to the 50 would be a solution, cause It can get very busy.
(04 Oct 2021, 9:44 am)ASX_Terranova As a regular user of the 50, i think putting more double deckers on might be benefical, I know there are two boards that are allocated an omnidekka, maybe buying new buses for the 10s, 56, etc... then displacing some of the B9's on to the 50 would be a solution, cause It can get very busy.I thought the B5H would of been a good choice for cascade, still not as large as the standard B9, but provides extra capacity
(04 Oct 2021, 9:44 am)ASX_Terranova As a regular user of the 50, i think putting more double deckers on might be benefical, I know there are two boards that are allocated an omnidekka, maybe buying new buses for the 10s, 56, etc... then displacing some of the B9's on to the 50 would be a solution, cause It can get very busy.I thought the B5H would of been a good choice for cascade, still not as large as the standard B9, but provides extra capacity
(04 Oct 2021, 9:44 am)ASX_Terranova As a regular user of the 50, i think putting more double deckers on might be benefical, I know there are two boards that are allocated an omnidekka, maybe buying new buses for the 10s, 56, etc... then displacing some of the B9's on to the 50 would be a solution, cause It can get very busy.When GNE purchase some replacements for the OmniDekka's & G1's. They could displace some of the buses they replace.
(04 Oct 2021, 9:44 am)ASX_Terranova As a regular user of the 50, i think putting more double deckers on might be benefical, I know there are two boards that are allocated an omnidekka, maybe buying new buses for the 10s, 56, etc... then displacing some of the B9's on to the 50 would be a solution, cause It can get very busy.When GNE purchase some replacements for the OmniDekka's & G1's. They could displace some of the buses they replace.
(04 Oct 2021, 9:53 am)JP6004 I thought the B5H would of been a good choice for cascade, still not as large as the standard B9, but provides extra capacity
(04 Oct 2021, 9:53 am)JP6004 I thought the B5H would of been a good choice for cascade, still not as large as the standard B9, but provides extra capacity
(04 Oct 2021, 9:41 pm)Storx They can't put buses which aren't Euro 6 on the 50 because of the emission mods by South Tyneside Council. So they wouldn't be allowed and if you upgrade them to Euro 6, you might aswell keep them on a Newcastle route.
Also to whoever mentioned deckers, there's not enough Euro 6 deckers as it is to be wasting them on there.
(04 Oct 2021, 9:41 pm)Storx They can't put buses which aren't Euro 6 on the 50 because of the emission mods by South Tyneside Council. So they wouldn't be allowed and if you upgrade them to Euro 6, you might aswell keep them on a Newcastle route.
Also to whoever mentioned deckers, there's not enough Euro 6 deckers as it is to be wasting them on there.
(04 Oct 2021, 9:56 pm)Malarkey I have been up to Edinburgh twice in past 6 weeks and have seen others have done the same to which I echo the comments about getting some Volvo B8R MCV Evora's for services such as the 50 as they'd be very well suited.
(04 Oct 2021, 9:56 pm)Malarkey I have been up to Edinburgh twice in past 6 weeks and have seen others have done the same to which I echo the comments about getting some Volvo B8R MCV Evora's for services such as the 50 as they'd be very well suited.
Edinburgh have some decent buses that would fit routes down here
(If the coaches were to go) Volvo B8L ADL Enviro400XLB would be a decent suggestion for the X9/X10
The Volvo B8RLE Wright Eclipse 3
Volvo B8RLE MCV Evora (a personal favourite when I went up there)
Some of Edinburgh buses I could see GNE having on there routes
(04 Oct 2021, 9:41 pm)Storx They can't put buses which aren't Euro 6 on the 50 because of the emission mods by South Tyneside Council. So they wouldn't be allowed and if you upgrade them to Euro 6, you might aswell keep them on a Newcastle route.I know and well aware of that! It's obvious this wont happen, it was a thought (based on the original plan of converting all these B5s to euro 6 pre-covid
Also to whoever mentioned deckers, there's not enough Euro 6 deckers as it is to be wasting them on there.
(04 Oct 2021, 9:41 pm)Storx They can't put buses which aren't Euro 6 on the 50 because of the emission mods by South Tyneside Council. So they wouldn't be allowed and if you upgrade them to Euro 6, you might aswell keep them on a Newcastle route.I know and well aware of that! It's obvious this wont happen, it was a thought (based on the original plan of converting all these B5s to euro 6 pre-covid
Also to whoever mentioned deckers, there's not enough Euro 6 deckers as it is to be wasting them on there.
(04 Oct 2021, 9:56 pm)Malarkey I have been up to Edinburgh twice in past 6 weeks and have seen others have done the same to which I echo the comments about getting some Volvo B8R MCV Evora's for services such as the 50 as they'd be very well suited.MCV Evora on 4
(04 Oct 2021, 9:56 pm)Malarkey I have been up to Edinburgh twice in past 6 weeks and have seen others have done the same to which I echo the comments about getting some Volvo B8R MCV Evora's for services such as the 50 as they'd be very well suited.MCV Evora on 4
(04 Oct 2021, 10:09 pm)Storx Aye I wouldn't mind them down here like. They'd be ideal for some of Arriva's routes aswell like the 685. Too expensive though sadly no doubt as we don't get quality round here anymore.
It's a shame Volvo can't stick the engine in a 2 axle decker, they'd be ideal for some of the routes up here which need something better than the B5TL like they did with the B7TL/B7RLE which I believe is the same engine and they converted the 3 axle 9 litre engine to replace the B7TL.
(04 Oct 2021, 10:09 pm)Storx Aye I wouldn't mind them down here like. They'd be ideal for some of Arriva's routes aswell like the 685. Too expensive though sadly no doubt as we don't get quality round here anymore.
It's a shame Volvo can't stick the engine in a 2 axle decker, they'd be ideal for some of the routes up here which need something better than the B5TL like they did with the B7TL/B7RLE which I believe is the same engine and they converted the 3 axle 9 litre engine to replace the B7TL.
(05 Oct 2021, 3:46 pm)Malarkey Volvo's offering for a 2 axle single decker is the B8RLE on MCV Evora or Wright Eclipse 3 bodywork or the Plaxton Panther LE is you want a vehicle that is a 3 axle single decker otherwise their only the other offering are their electric range in the 7900, they are due to be offering a new single/double decker in 2022 from what I read last week, only other heavy duty options on the market are the Mercerdes-Benz Citaro and the new Scania Fencer F1.
I'd quite like to see MAN dip back into the UK market with their latest offering on the Lion City range, they looked stunning when I visited the MAN Bus Forum in Munich in 2018 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalark...516043310/
(05 Oct 2021, 3:46 pm)Malarkey Volvo's offering for a 2 axle single decker is the B8RLE on MCV Evora or Wright Eclipse 3 bodywork or the Plaxton Panther LE is you want a vehicle that is a 3 axle single decker otherwise their only the other offering are their electric range in the 7900, they are due to be offering a new single/double decker in 2022 from what I read last week, only other heavy duty options on the market are the Mercerdes-Benz Citaro and the new Scania Fencer F1.
I'd quite like to see MAN dip back into the UK market with their latest offering on the Lion City range, they looked stunning when I visited the MAN Bus Forum in Munich in 2018 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalark...516043310/
(05 Oct 2021, 5:21 pm)cbma06 Didn’t GNE trial a B8? or something on the 20 before new streetlites arrived for the 20
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Go North East: 9108 / BA15BXS by Daniel Graham, on Flickr
(05 Oct 2021, 5:21 pm)cbma06 Didn’t GNE trial a B8? or something on the 20 before new streetlites arrived for the 20
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Go North East: 9108 / BA15BXS by Daniel Graham, on Flickr
(05 Oct 2021, 5:24 pm)Dan Yes, fleet number 9108 in August 2015.
(05 Oct 2021, 5:24 pm)Dan Yes, fleet number 9108 in August 2015.
(05 Oct 2021, 5:32 pm)cbma06 Cheers, would the cost of purchasing those be more than the cost of the streetlites at the time as I think the B8’s were more heavy duty?
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(05 Oct 2021, 5:32 pm)cbma06 Cheers, would the cost of purchasing those be more than the cost of the streetlites at the time as I think the B8’s were more heavy duty?
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(05 Oct 2021, 3:46 pm)Malarkey Volvo's offering for a 2 axle single decker is the B8RLE on MCV Evora or Wright Eclipse 3 bodywork or the Plaxton Panther LE is you want a vehicle that is a 3 axle single decker otherwise their only the other offering are their electric range in the 7900, they are due to be offering a new single/double decker in 2022 from what I read last week, only other heavy duty options on the market are the Mercerdes-Benz Citaro and the new Scania Fencer F1.
I'd quite like to see MAN dip back into the UK market with their latest offering on the Lion City range, they looked stunning when I visited the MAN Bus Forum in Munich in 2018 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalark...516043310/
(05 Oct 2021, 3:46 pm)Malarkey Volvo's offering for a 2 axle single decker is the B8RLE on MCV Evora or Wright Eclipse 3 bodywork or the Plaxton Panther LE is you want a vehicle that is a 3 axle single decker otherwise their only the other offering are their electric range in the 7900, they are due to be offering a new single/double decker in 2022 from what I read last week, only other heavy duty options on the market are the Mercerdes-Benz Citaro and the new Scania Fencer F1.
I'd quite like to see MAN dip back into the UK market with their latest offering on the Lion City range, they looked stunning when I visited the MAN Bus Forum in Munich in 2018 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalark...516043310/
(05 Oct 2021, 6:18 pm)Storx Yeah I know. Think you got confused there I was talking about deckers where the B8L is the current 3 axle decker vs the B5 being the 2 axle decker.
Be nice to get a more powerful Volvo bus again like the B9's and the B7TL (which shared the same engine with the B7RLE). The B8L and B8RLE both use the same engine (B8K). There's no real reason why they couldn't make a 2 axle B8TL. They'd be ideal for the likes of the X21 and the Transdev routes who are using ADL Enviros now.
Looks nice that MAN bus mind.
(05 Oct 2021, 6:18 pm)Storx Yeah I know. Think you got confused there I was talking about deckers where the B8L is the current 3 axle decker vs the B5 being the 2 axle decker.
Be nice to get a more powerful Volvo bus again like the B9's and the B7TL (which shared the same engine with the B7RLE). The B8L and B8RLE both use the same engine (B8K). There's no real reason why they couldn't make a 2 axle B8TL. They'd be ideal for the likes of the X21 and the Transdev routes who are using ADL Enviros now.
Looks nice that MAN bus mind.
(05 Oct 2021, 10:54 pm)Malarkey The 6-Cyliner Streetdeck like 6377 would do the trick on the likes of the X21.
(05 Oct 2021, 10:54 pm)Malarkey The 6-Cyliner Streetdeck like 6377 would do the trick on the likes of the X21.
(06 Oct 2021, 3:45 pm)streetdeckfan Would it though?
It seemed to me the issue with the 4 cylinder StreetDecks on the X21 was that the gearbox just wasn't suited to the fast roads it travels on, and I believe the 6 cylinder has the same unit?
On the motorway it sounded like the StreetDecks were sitting not far off the rev limiter to maintain the ~50mph. Obviously I'm not an engineer, but I feel like an extra gear to let it sit at a lower RPM at the faster speeds would help with the reliability.
(06 Oct 2021, 3:45 pm)streetdeckfan Would it though?
It seemed to me the issue with the 4 cylinder StreetDecks on the X21 was that the gearbox just wasn't suited to the fast roads it travels on, and I believe the 6 cylinder has the same unit?
On the motorway it sounded like the StreetDecks were sitting not far off the rev limiter to maintain the ~50mph. Obviously I'm not an engineer, but I feel like an extra gear to let it sit at a lower RPM at the faster speeds would help with the reliability.
(06 Oct 2021, 5:43 pm)deanmachine I might be mistaken, but because the 6 cylinder one doesn't qualify for low emissions exemptions it doesn't have a 50mph limiter and can do the full 62mph? I can't imagine they regularly put a bus on the X9/X10 that could only do 50. I'm just assuming here, and can't remember my mate on the X9/X10 rota whinging about it being slow, quite the opposite in fact.
(06 Oct 2021, 5:43 pm)deanmachine I might be mistaken, but because the 6 cylinder one doesn't qualify for low emissions exemptions it doesn't have a 50mph limiter and can do the full 62mph? I can't imagine they regularly put a bus on the X9/X10 that could only do 50. I'm just assuming here, and can't remember my mate on the X9/X10 rota whinging about it being slow, quite the opposite in fact.
To be fair in the past standardisation was always seen as one of the bedrocks of fleet efficiency, there seems little scope for that .
