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(07 Jun 2021, 7:19 pm)Rapidsnap Yeah that's a fair point, think it's around 12 for the Q1 / Q2 unless there's plans to reduce it to 20 minute frequency.
Think another idea is the 49/49A which takes 7 vehicles, so leaves 2 new ones spare plus 8809 making 3 spares, so perhaps used on the 33/33A contract
(07 Jun 2021, 7:19 pm)Rapidsnap Yeah that's a fair point, think it's around 12 for the Q1 / Q2 unless there's plans to reduce it to 20 minute frequency.
Think another idea is the 49/49A which takes 7 vehicles, so leaves 2 new ones spare plus 8809 making 3 spares, so perhaps used on the 33/33A contract
The Yutong E10's from the video posted by Geoff have a battery life to operate 170KM per day so I decided to do a few calculations.
Service 57 is approximate an 8 mile journey between Newcastle and Wardley via Q.E. Hospital "Quoting Google Maps" which equates to 12.8748 Kilometres.
170 divided by 12 = 14 meaning the E10 could do 7 round trips on the 57 per day on a single charge.
For the 49 from Gateshead to Winlaton via Blaydon & MetroCentre is approximately 13 Mile journey meaning the E10 could do again around 7 round trips per day on a single charge.
I do think the 49 is top contender for the new order of Yutongs as it will release the Euro 6 Streetlites onto other services such as 6/12/12A/33N or 57 thus allowing the Citaros to be withdrawn.
(07 Jun 2021, 9:48 pm)Malarkey The Yutong E10's from the video posted by Geoff have a battery life to operate 170KM per day so I decided to do a few calculations.
Service 57 is approximate an 8 mile journey between Newcastle and Wardley via Q.E. Hospital "Quoting Google Maps" which equates to 12.8748 Kilometres.
170 divided by 12 = 14 meaning the E10 could do 7 round trips on the 57 per day on a single charge.
For the 49 from Gateshead to Winlaton via Blaydon & MetroCentre is approximately 13 Mile journey meaning the E10 could do again around 7 round trips per day on a single charge.
I do think the 49 is top contender for the new order of Yutongs as it will release the Euro 6 Streetlites onto other services such as 6/12/12A/33N or 57 thus allowing the Citaros to be withdrawn.
(07 Jun 2021, 9:48 pm)Malarkey The Yutong E10's from the video posted by Geoff have a battery life to operate 170KM per day so I decided to do a few calculations.
Service 57 is approximate an 8 mile journey between Newcastle and Wardley via Q.E. Hospital "Quoting Google Maps" which equates to 12.8748 Kilometres.
170 divided by 12 = 14 meaning the E10 could do 7 round trips on the 57 per day on a single charge.
For the 49 from Gateshead to Winlaton via Blaydon & MetroCentre is approximately 13 Mile journey meaning the E10 could do again around 7 round trips per day on a single charge.
I do think the 49 is top contender for the new order of Yutongs as it will release the Euro 6 Streetlites onto other services such as 6/12/12A/33N or 57 thus allowing the Citaros to be withdrawn.
Not sure they'd put them on the 49/49A considering its the only bus not going into the ULEZ. Seems a bit wasteful.
This is complete pie in the sky but what about the X66 extended to Newcastle via the Q1/Q2 giving direct links from the Metro Centre to Newcastle Quayside and Central Station with the B7's on for now until they come so the Streetlites can be moved to wherever their new home is.
Also could explain why Quaycity is branded using the Voltra design rather than the road stripes and also the mock-up for the Voltra was green and orange which everyone at the time just assumed Citylink but the orange could easily have been Intu aswell.
Means you can keep the older Versas which I don't believe have Euro Mods on what was the Orbit and then the X66 Streetlites can do the 57 maybe.
(07 Jun 2021, 11:31 pm)V514DFT What about the 28/28A?,is that completely out of the question for VOLTRA's?,thats the only other single deck vehicle operated service i can think of in that kind of areaThe only problem I see with that is that the 28/A are operated by CLS which don't have the charging facilities, however, Riverside do have facilities which leads me to think that the new electrics will be for Riverside. I think the 6/12/12A could be good options for electrics providing they are good at Hill climb.
(07 Jun 2021, 11:31 pm)V514DFT What about the 28/28A?,is that completely out of the question for VOLTRA's?,thats the only other single deck vehicle operated service i can think of in that kind of areaThe only problem I see with that is that the 28/A are operated by CLS which don't have the charging facilities, however, Riverside do have facilities which leads me to think that the new electrics will be for Riverside. I think the 6/12/12A could be good options for electrics providing they are good at Hill climb.
(07 Jun 2021, 8:43 pm)Andreos1 What would the PVR be for the Q1/2 with it terminating in Gateshead?
It would be very hard to stick a positive spin on a reduction in frequency along with the rumoured curtailment at Gateshead
(07 Jun 2021, 8:43 pm)Andreos1 What would the PVR be for the Q1/2 with it terminating in Gateshead?
It would be very hard to stick a positive spin on a reduction in frequency along with the rumoured curtailment at Gateshead
When they were talking about continued investment i think they meant quite far into the future. I cannot see any plans for brand new buses in the fleet in the next few years. Might get a few second hand buses from somewhere maybe.
(08 Jun 2021, 7:49 am)Rob44 Stopping this service at Gateshead??? Blimey they would have to put a great spin on that as they made such a song and dance about taking over the route when the council/nexus said they couldn't subsidise it anymore!! They used this as an example as to why bus subsidy wouldnt work. They had sign on their bus and in bus stops!
(08 Jun 2021, 7:49 am)Rob44 Stopping this service at Gateshead??? Blimey they would have to put a great spin on that as they made such a song and dance about taking over the route when the council/nexus said they couldn't subsidise it anymore!! They used this as an example as to why bus subsidy wouldnt work. They had sign on their bus and in bus stops!
(08 Jun 2021, 10:26 am)Rob44 that would make sense to save a few £££
(08 Jun 2021, 11:44 am)Andreos1 If/when the lez comes in to play in Newcastle, it also has the potential for a bit of give/flexibility with vehicles that don't meet the emissions levels too.
(08 Jun 2021, 11:44 am)Andreos1 If/when the lez comes in to play in Newcastle, it also has the potential for a bit of give/flexibility with vehicles that don't meet the emissions levels too.
(08 Jun 2021, 9:58 am)Andreos1 I'm sure the rumour was about sending the 53 and 54 on to the Quayside portion of the route.It would make sense as they could easily incorporate that in to the existing 53/54 route.
No idea how true it is or if it's just waffle mind.
(08 Jun 2021, 9:58 am)Andreos1 I'm sure the rumour was about sending the 53 and 54 on to the Quayside portion of the route.It would make sense as they could easily incorporate that in to the existing 53/54 route.
No idea how true it is or if it's just waffle mind.
(08 Jun 2021, 1:01 pm)big mac It would make sense as they could easily incorporate that in to the existing 53/54 route.
With the q1/q2, they've already curtailed it at Gateshead on evenings anyway, which in my opinion makes a bit of a mockery of the Quaylink branding. How can the brand be named after a place that the route doesn't even serve all of the time?
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(08 Jun 2021, 1:01 pm)big mac It would make sense as they could easily incorporate that in to the existing 53/54 route.
With the q1/q2, they've already curtailed it at Gateshead on evenings anyway, which in my opinion makes a bit of a mockery of the Quaylink branding. How can the brand be named after a place that the route doesn't even serve all of the time?
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(08 Jun 2021, 1:01 pm)big mac It would make sense as they could easily incorporate that in to the existing 53/54 route.
With the q1/q2, they've already curtailed it at Gateshead on evenings anyway, which in my opinion makes a bit of a mockery of the Quaylink branding. How can the brand be named after a place that the route doesn't even serve all of the time?
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(08 Jun 2021, 1:37 pm)Rob44 I used to use the evening service to get to Gateshead to catch my connection after a few pints in the crown prasada...... now i have to walk up that steep bank... its a killer
(08 Jun 2021, 1:01 pm)big mac It would make sense as they could easily incorporate that in to the existing 53/54 route.
With the q1/q2, they've already curtailed it at Gateshead on evenings anyway, which in my opinion makes a bit of a mockery of the Quaylink branding. How can the brand be named after a place that the route doesn't even serve all of the time?
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(08 Jun 2021, 1:37 pm)Rob44 I used to use the evening service to get to Gateshead to catch my connection after a few pints in the crown prasada...... now i have to walk up that steep bank... its a killer
(08 Jun 2021, 1:56 pm)Andreos1 Aye, was genuinely surprised to see that the Q1/Q2 didn't bother crossing the river on a night, when I was in the town a few weeks back.They did fill the gap (sort of) with the 58A, although that was only towards Newcastle rather than towards Gateshead as well. I wonder if when eventually concerts resume and there's stuff on at the Sage whether a service will be reintroduced on an evening.
Or, there wasn't a service (like the 53/54) which was diverted down to the Quayside/Sage to fill the gaps.
The Q3 doesn't cover enough of the town and obviously doesn't touch the Gateshead Quays at all.
Imagine stopping at one of the many hotels on the Quayside and on getting off the train at Newcastle, finding you have to get a taxi down or walk (with bags)?
Sure that hill is getting steeper.
I blame global warming.
(08 Jun 2021, 1:56 pm)Andreos1 Aye, was genuinely surprised to see that the Q1/Q2 didn't bother crossing the river on a night, when I was in the town a few weeks back.They did fill the gap (sort of) with the 58A, although that was only towards Newcastle rather than towards Gateshead as well. I wonder if when eventually concerts resume and there's stuff on at the Sage whether a service will be reintroduced on an evening.
Or, there wasn't a service (like the 53/54) which was diverted down to the Quayside/Sage to fill the gaps.
The Q3 doesn't cover enough of the town and obviously doesn't touch the Gateshead Quays at all.
Imagine stopping at one of the many hotels on the Quayside and on getting off the train at Newcastle, finding you have to get a taxi down or walk (with bags)?
Sure that hill is getting steeper.
I blame global warming.
(08 Jun 2021, 1:56 pm)Andreos1 Aye, was genuinely surprised to see that the Q1/Q2 didn't bother crossing the river on a night, when I was in the town a few weeks back.
Or, there wasn't a service (like the 53/54) which was diverted down to the Quayside/Sage to fill the gaps.
The Q3 doesn't cover enough of the town and obviously doesn't touch the Gateshead Quays at all.
Imagine stopping at one of the many hotels on the Quayside and on getting off the train at Newcastle, finding you have to get a taxi down or walk (with bags)?
Sure that hill is getting steeper.
I blame global warming.
(08 Jun 2021, 1:56 pm)Andreos1 Aye, was genuinely surprised to see that the Q1/Q2 didn't bother crossing the river on a night, when I was in the town a few weeks back.
Or, there wasn't a service (like the 53/54) which was diverted down to the Quayside/Sage to fill the gaps.
The Q3 doesn't cover enough of the town and obviously doesn't touch the Gateshead Quays at all.
Imagine stopping at one of the many hotels on the Quayside and on getting off the train at Newcastle, finding you have to get a taxi down or walk (with bags)?
Sure that hill is getting steeper.
I blame global warming.
(07 Jun 2021, 5:47 pm)Micheal Aaron It was mentioned by Martijn that there for Gateshead Depot so yea. Could be for the Q1/Q2
(08 Jun 2021, 2:22 pm)big mac They did fill the gap (sort of) with the 58A, although that was only towards Newcastle rather than towards Gateshead as well. I wonder if when eventually concerts resume and there's stuff on at the Sage whether a service will be reintroduced on an evening.
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(08 Jun 2021, 2:45 pm)Rob44 I blame to much strong lager
(08 Jun 2021, 2:22 pm)big mac They did fill the gap (sort of) with the 58A, although that was only towards Newcastle rather than towards Gateshead as well. I wonder if when eventually concerts resume and there's stuff on at the Sage whether a service will be reintroduced on an evening.
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(08 Jun 2021, 2:45 pm)Rob44 I blame to much strong lager
(08 Jun 2021, 3:37 pm)Andreos1 The ironic thing is, because buses are so irregular down there on a night, I've seen the Q3 getting delayed by the ever number of increasing taxis - that park at the bottom of Dean St, blocking the road and bus stops.
There probably wouldn't be the need for as many taxis, if the public transport provision in the area was better.
Made even more attractive by these fantastic £1 fares.
(08 Jun 2021, 3:37 pm)Andreos1 The ironic thing is, because buses are so irregular down there on a night, I've seen the Q3 getting delayed by the ever number of increasing taxis - that park at the bottom of Dean St, blocking the road and bus stops.
There probably wouldn't be the need for as many taxis, if the public transport provision in the area was better.
Made even more attractive by these fantastic £1 fares.
