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(09 Jun 2021, 12:48 pm)cbma06 This is only Roughly:Correct,with a few exceptions, like the 301/302,310/319,which crossed into Northumberland and over the Tyne,another few exceptions was the 442 (North Shields-Ashington) and the 484 which i think was a workers service
00’s Newcastle area
100’s Sunderland/houghton/Washington area
200’s Durham east area
300’s north Tyneside
400’s scholars
500’s south tyneside
600’s Gateshead
700’s Stanley/consett/Durham/Chester area
800’s
900’s Works
Others will know exact areas
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(09 Jun 2021, 12:48 pm)cbma06 This is only Roughly:Correct,with a few exceptions, like the 301/302,310/319,which crossed into Northumberland and over the Tyne,another few exceptions was the 442 (North Shields-Ashington) and the 484 which i think was a workers service
00’s Newcastle area
100’s Sunderland/houghton/Washington area
200’s Durham east area
300’s north Tyneside
400’s scholars
500’s south tyneside
600’s Gateshead
700’s Stanley/consett/Durham/Chester area
800’s
900’s Works
Others will know exact areas
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(09 Jun 2021, 1:14 pm)Rob44 See reply below. 6** were defiantly Gateshead west.
I just thinking what the 56/57/58 were as never used them back in the 80's?
(09 Jun 2021, 3:01 pm)ian foster 400's were services Northwards into Northumberland, double figure numbers were Gateshead as well as Newcastle. 800's were independent operators. There was one or two exceptions to this.
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(09 Jun 2021, 1:55 pm)cbma06 The 56 Newcastle to springwell estate every 10 minutes was always 56, service got extended to Sunderland in replace of 187/188, and replaced 185 in Sunderland also
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(09 Jun 2021, 1:14 pm)Rob44 See reply below. 6** were defiantly Gateshead west.
I just thinking what the 56/57/58 were as never used them back in the 80's?
(09 Jun 2021, 3:01 pm)ian foster 400's were services Northwards into Northumberland, double figure numbers were Gateshead as well as Newcastle. 800's were independent operators. There was one or two exceptions to this.
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(09 Jun 2021, 1:55 pm)cbma06 The 56 Newcastle to springwell estate every 10 minutes was always 56, service got extended to Sunderland in replace of 187/188, and replaced 185 in Sunderland also
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(09 Jun 2021, 3:50 pm)Andreos1 20 prefix - Durham Road.Gateshead also had the 30 and 40 prefix,31/31A/31C/41,32/32C/42,when from,no idea,but i have map from September 2005 that have these services on,then there was the 43/43A/43B,44/44A/44B,45,46/46A,47/47A/47B, at this point it looks like the 48,49/49A was still the 648 and 649
50 prefix - Old Durham Road (apart from the 53/54).
60 prefix - Dunston area services.
90 prefix - Whickham/Bensham/Lobley Hill.
Still quite stable compared to other areas that have had their numbers and routes changed like the wind.
A lot of the scholars south of the river used (and still use) the 4xx series.
Initially, they had the 56 replace the 189 to Brady Square and from there removed the 189 link completely and merged the 56 with the X4, 185, 186, 187 and 188 like you say.
(09 Jun 2021, 3:50 pm)Andreos1 20 prefix - Durham Road.Gateshead also had the 30 and 40 prefix,31/31A/31C/41,32/32C/42,when from,no idea,but i have map from September 2005 that have these services on,then there was the 43/43A/43B,44/44A/44B,45,46/46A,47/47A/47B, at this point it looks like the 48,49/49A was still the 648 and 649
50 prefix - Old Durham Road (apart from the 53/54).
60 prefix - Dunston area services.
90 prefix - Whickham/Bensham/Lobley Hill.
Still quite stable compared to other areas that have had their numbers and routes changed like the wind.
A lot of the scholars south of the river used (and still use) the 4xx series.
Initially, they had the 56 replace the 189 to Brady Square and from there removed the 189 link completely and merged the 56 with the X4, 185, 186, 187 and 188 like you say.
(09 Jun 2021, 4:23 pm)V514DFT Gateshead also had the 30 and 40 prefix,31/31A/31C/41,32/32C/42,when from,no idea,but i have map from September 2005 that have these services on,then there was the 43/43A/43B,44/44A/44B,45,46/46A,47/47A/47B, at this point it looks like the 48,49/49A was still the 648 and 649
(09 Jun 2021, 4:23 pm)V514DFT Gateshead also had the 30 and 40 prefix,31/31A/31C/41,32/32C/42,when from,no idea,but i have map from September 2005 that have these services on,then there was the 43/43A/43B,44/44A/44B,45,46/46A,47/47A/47B, at this point it looks like the 48,49/49A was still the 648 and 649
(09 Jun 2021, 4:23 pm)V514DFT Gateshead also had the 30 and 40 prefix, 31/31A/31C/41,32/32C/42,when from,no idea,but i have map from September 2005 that have these services on,then there was the 43/43A/43B,44/44A/44B,45,46/46A,47/47A/47B ,¿ at this point it looks like the 48,49/49A was still the 648 and 649
(09 Jun 2021, 4:23 pm)V514DFT Gateshead also had the 30 and 40 prefix, 31/31A/31C/41,32/32C/42,when from,no idea,but i have map from September 2005 that have these services on,then there was the 43/43A/43B,44/44A/44B,45,46/46A,47/47A/47B ,¿ at this point it looks like the 48,49/49A was still the 648 and 649
(09 Jun 2021, 3:50 pm)Andreos1 20 prefix - Durham Road.
50 prefix - Old Durham Road (apart from the 53/54).
60 prefix - Dunston area services.
90 prefix - Whickham/Bensham/Lobley Hill.
Still quite stable compared to other areas that have had their numbers and routes changed like the wind.
A lot of the scholars south of the river used (and still use) the 4xx series.
Initially, they had the 56 replace the 189 to Brady Square and from there removed the 189 link completely and merged the 56 with the X4, 185, 186, 187 and 188 like you say.
(09 Jun 2021, 3:50 pm)Andreos1 20 prefix - Durham Road.
50 prefix - Old Durham Road (apart from the 53/54).
60 prefix - Dunston area services.
90 prefix - Whickham/Bensham/Lobley Hill.
Still quite stable compared to other areas that have had their numbers and routes changed like the wind.
A lot of the scholars south of the river used (and still use) the 4xx series.
Initially, they had the 56 replace the 189 to Brady Square and from there removed the 189 link completely and merged the 56 with the X4, 185, 186, 187 and 188 like you say.
(09 Jun 2021, 4:38 pm)cbma06 I thought 189 was withdrawn along time before, as the service was extended to penshaw as service 191?, x4 withdrawl ended when there decided to streamline a 10 minute service between galleries and Newcastle as one number , 773/774 took over the 186/638 between Sunderland and Washington
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(09 Jun 2021, 4:38 pm)cbma06 I thought 189 was withdrawn along time before, as the service was extended to penshaw as service 191?, x4 withdrawl ended when there decided to streamline a 10 minute service between galleries and Newcastle as one number , 773/774 took over the 186/638 between Sunderland and Washington
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(09 Jun 2021, 3:01 pm)ian foster 400's were services Northwards into Northumberland, double figure numbers were Gateshead as well as Newcastle. 800's were independent operators. There was one or two exceptions to this.
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(09 Jun 2021, 3:01 pm)ian foster 400's were services Northwards into Northumberland, double figure numbers were Gateshead as well as Newcastle. 800's were independent operators. There was one or two exceptions to this.
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(09 Jun 2021, 4:50 pm)Andreos1 Forgot about that 191. Certainly didn't last long.
Either way, the 56 went via Biddick to Brady Square at one point. Waterview Park another, before eventually going all the way to Sunderland.
(09 Jun 2021, 4:50 pm)Andreos1 Forgot about that 191. Certainly didn't last long.
Either way, the 56 went via Biddick to Brady Square at one point. Waterview Park another, before eventually going all the way to Sunderland.
(09 Jun 2021, 5:01 pm)cbma06 I remember that the water view park extension was the 56A, 191 yea short lived, could of been better if it was extended from penshaw to Sunderland, Shame these services going into estates no more and streamlined, bus services these days are just bare . All profit now than passengers needs
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(09 Jun 2021, 5:01 pm)cbma06 I remember that the water view park extension was the 56A, 191 yea short lived, could of been better if it was extended from penshaw to Sunderland, Shame these services going into estates no more and streamlined, bus services these days are just bare . All profit now than passengers needs
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(09 Jun 2021, 9:14 am)Andreos1 I think that's part of the bigger problem and something operators need to address.
I've mentioned the 194 missing out a section of route in Fatfield at chucking out time and I'm sure the 27 was the same along Kells Lane/Dryden Road at one point.
It was as though operators didn't want to have to deal with passengers and discouraged people using them back from the pub.
Surely counterproductive?
(09 Jun 2021, 9:14 am)Andreos1 I think that's part of the bigger problem and something operators need to address.
I've mentioned the 194 missing out a section of route in Fatfield at chucking out time and I'm sure the 27 was the same along Kells Lane/Dryden Road at one point.
It was as though operators didn't want to have to deal with passengers and discouraged people using them back from the pub.
Surely counterproductive?
(09 Jun 2021, 6:22 pm)big mac Yes, the last 27 on a Sunday night (back when Sunday night on Low Fell was rammed) got rerouted via Valley Drive and Old Durham Road to miss out Kells Lane. I believe it was because there was a big problem with drunks getting on and not paying the fare so eventually GNE just thought enough is enough. They originally did that in the mid nineties but that diversion remained in place for ages. It was only ever on a Sunday night that it diverted, on Friday and Saturday it still went along Kells Lane.
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(09 Jun 2021, 6:22 pm)big mac Yes, the last 27 on a Sunday night (back when Sunday night on Low Fell was rammed) got rerouted via Valley Drive and Old Durham Road to miss out Kells Lane. I believe it was because there was a big problem with drunks getting on and not paying the fare so eventually GNE just thought enough is enough. They originally did that in the mid nineties but that diversion remained in place for ages. It was only ever on a Sunday night that it diverted, on Friday and Saturday it still went along Kells Lane.
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(09 Jun 2021, 9:04 pm)Andreos1 I wasn't about Gateshead too much then, but definitely remember it happening earlier than the mid-90s.I remember that with the 26 as well, and it seemed bizarre at the time that PTE did that for a journey that would be guaranteed to make a profit.
Sure a timetable from the bygone era would confirm either way.
It's an interesting story about why they diverted it and how they kept it like that for so long.
I'd argue it's had a knock-on effect which has lasted for years and coupled with the ever rising fares, it's only discouraged people from using the bus home from a night out.
On the other side of the spectrum, I remember the PTE paying for the 26 to run all the way to Barley Mow around chucking out time - weekends only mind in the mid/late 80s - early 90s.
There would have been a 2/3 hour gap between the 'last run' and the last run and it was often heaving.
Not sure it was the pte's job to pay for the service when there was clearly some sort of demand mind.
(09 Jun 2021, 9:04 pm)Andreos1 I wasn't about Gateshead too much then, but definitely remember it happening earlier than the mid-90s.I remember that with the 26 as well, and it seemed bizarre at the time that PTE did that for a journey that would be guaranteed to make a profit.
Sure a timetable from the bygone era would confirm either way.
It's an interesting story about why they diverted it and how they kept it like that for so long.
I'd argue it's had a knock-on effect which has lasted for years and coupled with the ever rising fares, it's only discouraged people from using the bus home from a night out.
On the other side of the spectrum, I remember the PTE paying for the 26 to run all the way to Barley Mow around chucking out time - weekends only mind in the mid/late 80s - early 90s.
There would have been a 2/3 hour gap between the 'last run' and the last run and it was often heaving.
Not sure it was the pte's job to pay for the service when there was clearly some sort of demand mind.
(09 Jun 2021, 9:26 pm)big mac I remember that with the 26 as well, and it seemed bizarre at the time that PTE did that for a journey that would be guaranteed to make a profit.
Was there any particular thing that triggered the 194 diversion away from Fatfield?
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(09 Jun 2021, 9:26 pm)big mac I remember that with the 26 as well, and it seemed bizarre at the time that PTE did that for a journey that would be guaranteed to make a profit.
Was there any particular thing that triggered the 194 diversion away from Fatfield?
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(09 Jun 2021, 9:04 pm)Andreos1 I wasn't about Gateshead too much then, but definitely remember it happening earlier than the mid-90s.
Sure a timetable from the bygone era would confirm either way.
It's an interesting story about why they diverted it and how they kept it like that for so long.
I'd argue it's had a knock-on effect which has lasted for years and coupled with the ever rising fares, it's only discouraged people from using the bus home from a night out.
On the other side of the spectrum, I remember the PTE paying for the 26 to run all the way to Barley Mow around chucking out time - weekends only mind in the mid/late 80s - early 90s.
There would have been a 2/3 hour gap between the 'last run' and the last run and it was often heaving.
Not sure it was the pte's job to pay for the service when there was clearly some sort of demand mind.
(09 Jun 2021, 9:04 pm)Andreos1 I wasn't about Gateshead too much then, but definitely remember it happening earlier than the mid-90s.
Sure a timetable from the bygone era would confirm either way.
It's an interesting story about why they diverted it and how they kept it like that for so long.
I'd argue it's had a knock-on effect which has lasted for years and coupled with the ever rising fares, it's only discouraged people from using the bus home from a night out.
On the other side of the spectrum, I remember the PTE paying for the 26 to run all the way to Barley Mow around chucking out time - weekends only mind in the mid/late 80s - early 90s.
There would have been a 2/3 hour gap between the 'last run' and the last run and it was often heaving.
Not sure it was the pte's job to pay for the service when there was clearly some sort of demand mind.
(09 Jun 2021, 10:18 pm)Andreos1 I can't remember anything specific to be honest.
Just checked the bygone era and found a timetable from 1996.
I genuinely thought it was just the last few runs towards chucking out time, but it appears otherwise.
I also thought it was in both directions too - but again, it appears otherwise.
At least I was close enough with that last bus off Heworth though!
Also, however determined I was - there was no way I was getting up for those PTE funded OK or CAB runs either.
Would hear them clanking past on occasion, but I wasn't in the habit of getting up to go gricing at that time.
(09 Jun 2021, 10:18 pm)Andreos1 I can't remember anything specific to be honest.
Just checked the bygone era and found a timetable from 1996.
I genuinely thought it was just the last few runs towards chucking out time, but it appears otherwise.
I also thought it was in both directions too - but again, it appears otherwise.
At least I was close enough with that last bus off Heworth though!
Also, however determined I was - there was no way I was getting up for those PTE funded OK or CAB runs either.
Would hear them clanking past on occasion, but I wasn't in the habit of getting up to go gricing at that time.
(10 Jun 2021, 11:28 am)Adrian I remember this happening and I had thought those runs were diverted along Bonemill Lane before turning onto the bottom of Biddick Lane opposite Harraton Community Centre. It meant that only the stops at the bottom of Wormhill Terrace were being missed, but not too much of an issue when there's stops outside of the Biddick Inn.
It must have ended by about 2002, as when I started drinking down there, I used to have to have to walk up to the stop at the top of Wormhill Terrace for the bus. Or wait for the 638 to the Galleries.
(10 Jun 2021, 11:28 am)Adrian I remember this happening and I had thought those runs were diverted along Bonemill Lane before turning onto the bottom of Biddick Lane opposite Harraton Community Centre. It meant that only the stops at the bottom of Wormhill Terrace were being missed, but not too much of an issue when there's stops outside of the Biddick Inn.
It must have ended by about 2002, as when I started drinking down there, I used to have to have to walk up to the stop at the top of Wormhill Terrace for the bus. Or wait for the 638 to the Galleries.
(11 Jun 2021, 9:26 am)Michael My guess:Isn't the PVR for the 58 7 or 8?
3 for the X66
5 for the 58
= 8 +1 spare
Overall 16 PVR with 2 spares.
(11 Jun 2021, 9:26 am)Michael My guess:Isn't the PVR for the 58 7 or 8?
3 for the X66
5 for the 58
= 8 +1 spare
Overall 16 PVR with 2 spares.
