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03 Jan 2021, 2:33 pm #1
https://twitter.com/Dan3942/status/1345738193887518720

Looks like live rail times are being introduced on the TFT screens. Seems like a great idea so far. Only question is, will they be legible enough for many people to see, as the font looks quite small?
Adtrainsam
03 Jan 2021, 2:33 pm #1

https://twitter.com/Dan3942/status/1345738193887518720

Looks like live rail times are being introduced on the TFT screens. Seems like a great idea so far. Only question is, will they be legible enough for many people to see, as the font looks quite small?

03 Jan 2021, 2:39 pm #2
(03 Jan 2021, 2:33 pm)Adtrainsam https://twitter.com/Dan3942/status/1345738193887518720

Looks like live rail times are being introduced on the TFT screens. Seems like a great idea so far. Only question is, will they be legible enough for many people to see, as the font looks quite small?

Looks like from Dan's response to a reply they're going to be making changes to the layout.

Great idea, but what about all the vehicles they specced with an LED display rather than the TFT for the past 5 years?
Is it only the brand new and really old (relatively speaking) vehicles that'll be getting this?

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streetdeckfan
03 Jan 2021, 2:39 pm #2

(03 Jan 2021, 2:33 pm)Adtrainsam https://twitter.com/Dan3942/status/1345738193887518720

Looks like live rail times are being introduced on the TFT screens. Seems like a great idea so far. Only question is, will they be legible enough for many people to see, as the font looks quite small?

Looks like from Dan's response to a reply they're going to be making changes to the layout.

Great idea, but what about all the vehicles they specced with an LED display rather than the TFT for the past 5 years?
Is it only the brand new and really old (relatively speaking) vehicles that'll be getting this?

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Andreos1



14,155
03 Jan 2021, 3:26 pm #3
(03 Jan 2021, 2:33 pm)Adtrainsam https://twitter.com/Dan3942/status/1345738193887518720

Looks like live rail times are being introduced on the TFT screens. Seems like a great idea so far. Only question is, will they be legible enough for many people to see, as the font looks quite small?

A really positive move. Integration and working together to promote connections can only be a good thing. 

They just need to co-ordinate the buses with the trains now.
Ever tried to get a 71 and a train or a train and then the 71?
Did it once, transferring from the 71 during the first lockdown. Never again.
It doesn't tend to work when changing from train to bus either.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
03 Jan 2021, 3:26 pm #3

(03 Jan 2021, 2:33 pm)Adtrainsam https://twitter.com/Dan3942/status/1345738193887518720

Looks like live rail times are being introduced on the TFT screens. Seems like a great idea so far. Only question is, will they be legible enough for many people to see, as the font looks quite small?

A really positive move. Integration and working together to promote connections can only be a good thing. 

They just need to co-ordinate the buses with the trains now.
Ever tried to get a 71 and a train or a train and then the 71?
Did it once, transferring from the 71 during the first lockdown. Never again.
It doesn't tend to work when changing from train to bus either.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

04 Jan 2021, 12:13 pm #4
(03 Jan 2021, 2:39 pm)streetdeckfan Looks like from Dan's response to a reply they're going to be making changes to the layout.

Great idea, but what about all the vehicles they specced with an LED display rather than the TFT for the past 5 years?
Is it only the brand new and really old (relatively speaking) vehicles that'll be getting this?

Sent from my LM-G710 using Tapatalk
Thank goodness, hopefully that makes the displays more legible and "professional" in a sense. I've heard that the Calibri font will be changed to the standard GNE font as well. Great move. Calibri seems a bit unprofessional to me on a screen!
Adtrainsam
04 Jan 2021, 12:13 pm #4

(03 Jan 2021, 2:39 pm)streetdeckfan Looks like from Dan's response to a reply they're going to be making changes to the layout.

Great idea, but what about all the vehicles they specced with an LED display rather than the TFT for the past 5 years?
Is it only the brand new and really old (relatively speaking) vehicles that'll be getting this?

Sent from my LM-G710 using Tapatalk
Thank goodness, hopefully that makes the displays more legible and "professional" in a sense. I've heard that the Calibri font will be changed to the standard GNE font as well. Great move. Calibri seems a bit unprofessional to me on a screen!

04 Jan 2021, 12:32 pm #5
(03 Jan 2021, 3:26 pm)Andreos1 A really positive move. Integration and working together to promote connections can only be a good thing. 

They just need to co-ordinate the buses with the trains now.
Ever tried to get a 71 and a train or a train and then the 71?
Did it once, transferring from the 71 during the first lockdown. Never again.
It doesn't tend to work when changing from train to bus either.
Indeed. It's a lot easier to change the bus times to match with the trains rather than the other way round. Not too familiar with the 71, but it does seem that the bus times could easily be changed slightly to match up with train times. It's probably more difficult to change on more complex services, and not really needed on the frequent services, unless late at night. Would it be difficult to transfer bus information to arriving trains? Even better integration.
Adtrainsam
04 Jan 2021, 12:32 pm #5

(03 Jan 2021, 3:26 pm)Andreos1 A really positive move. Integration and working together to promote connections can only be a good thing. 

They just need to co-ordinate the buses with the trains now.
Ever tried to get a 71 and a train or a train and then the 71?
Did it once, transferring from the 71 during the first lockdown. Never again.
It doesn't tend to work when changing from train to bus either.
Indeed. It's a lot easier to change the bus times to match with the trains rather than the other way round. Not too familiar with the 71, but it does seem that the bus times could easily be changed slightly to match up with train times. It's probably more difficult to change on more complex services, and not really needed on the frequent services, unless late at night. Would it be difficult to transfer bus information to arriving trains? Even better integration.

04 Jan 2021, 12:32 pm #6
(04 Jan 2021, 12:13 pm)Adtrainsam Thank goodness, hopefully that makes the displays more legible and "professional" in a sense. I've heard that the Calibri font will be changed to the standard GNE font as well. Great move. Calibri seems a bit unprofessional to me on a screen!
Yeah, reading through other responses it looks as though the layout is fairly flexible, it looks like they just rushed it out in its current format just to make sure its all working before spending time perfecting it.

Just a shame they're not going Comic Sans, best font of all time imo

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(04 Jan 2021, 12:32 pm)Adtrainsam Indeed. It's a lot easier to change the bus times to match with the trains rather than the other way round. Not too familiar with the 71, but it does seem that the bus times could easily be changed slightly to match up with train times. It's probably more difficult to change on more complex services, and not really needed on the frequent services, unless late at night. Would it be difficult to transfer bus information to arriving trains? Even better integration.
The issue is if you change one bus to fit with a train, then you have to then change the times of other services that passengers connect from, which could then cause knock on effects with other services.

Scheduling is an art, and it's usually not as simple as changing the times

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Edited 04 Jan 2021, 12:36 pm by streetdeckfan.
streetdeckfan
04 Jan 2021, 12:32 pm #6

(04 Jan 2021, 12:13 pm)Adtrainsam Thank goodness, hopefully that makes the displays more legible and "professional" in a sense. I've heard that the Calibri font will be changed to the standard GNE font as well. Great move. Calibri seems a bit unprofessional to me on a screen!
Yeah, reading through other responses it looks as though the layout is fairly flexible, it looks like they just rushed it out in its current format just to make sure its all working before spending time perfecting it.

Just a shame they're not going Comic Sans, best font of all time imo

Sent from my LM-G710 using Tapatalk

(04 Jan 2021, 12:32 pm)Adtrainsam Indeed. It's a lot easier to change the bus times to match with the trains rather than the other way round. Not too familiar with the 71, but it does seem that the bus times could easily be changed slightly to match up with train times. It's probably more difficult to change on more complex services, and not really needed on the frequent services, unless late at night. Would it be difficult to transfer bus information to arriving trains? Even better integration.
The issue is if you change one bus to fit with a train, then you have to then change the times of other services that passengers connect from, which could then cause knock on effects with other services.

Scheduling is an art, and it's usually not as simple as changing the times

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ne14ne1



1,508
04 Jan 2021, 2:12 pm #7
Did the issue Voltra’s NSAs have at launch get rectified? Anyone know if they’re working yet?
ne14ne1
04 Jan 2021, 2:12 pm #7

Did the issue Voltra’s NSAs have at launch get rectified? Anyone know if they’re working yet?

Andreos1



14,155
04 Jan 2021, 2:22 pm #8
(04 Jan 2021, 12:32 pm)Adtrainsam Indeed. It's a lot easier to change the bus times to match with the trains rather than the other way round. Not too familiar with the 71, but it does seem that the bus times could easily be changed slightly to match up with train times. It's probably more difficult to change on more complex services, and not really needed on the frequent services, unless late at night. Would it be difficult to transfer bus information to arriving trains? Even better integration.

I don't think the 71 is timed to work in sync with any other service to be honest. 
There's not much of a pattern with the 78 between Chester and Woodstone Village in either direction, there's possibly some headway with the 35 around Burnside. Not aware of anything in and around Seaham. 

However with it being the only service to go anywhere near Seaham railway station, I'd have thought there was some scope to adapt or tweak to tie in with the Northern Rail services.
To promote the links with a station is all fine and well and it does have the potential to attract passengers - assuming the connection times are attractive.
In the case of the 71, there's the option of attracting quite a few passengers.

The data below is taken from the Seaham Station wiki page. There was talk elsewhere of the 21 attracting a tiny proportion of the cars travelling to/from the Arnison Centre. Yet there's a cracking example here of a chronically under-utilised resource from a wide area. 

Quote:Passengers
2015/16 [Image: 11px-Increase2.svg.png] 137,948
2016/17 [Image: 11px-Increase2.svg.png] 145,362
2017/18 [Image: 11px-Decrease2.svg.png] 140,894
2018/19 [Image: 11px-Decrease2.svg.png] 137,652
2019/20 [Image: 11px-Increase2.svg.png] 138,938
 

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
04 Jan 2021, 2:22 pm #8

(04 Jan 2021, 12:32 pm)Adtrainsam Indeed. It's a lot easier to change the bus times to match with the trains rather than the other way round. Not too familiar with the 71, but it does seem that the bus times could easily be changed slightly to match up with train times. It's probably more difficult to change on more complex services, and not really needed on the frequent services, unless late at night. Would it be difficult to transfer bus information to arriving trains? Even better integration.

I don't think the 71 is timed to work in sync with any other service to be honest. 
There's not much of a pattern with the 78 between Chester and Woodstone Village in either direction, there's possibly some headway with the 35 around Burnside. Not aware of anything in and around Seaham. 

However with it being the only service to go anywhere near Seaham railway station, I'd have thought there was some scope to adapt or tweak to tie in with the Northern Rail services.
To promote the links with a station is all fine and well and it does have the potential to attract passengers - assuming the connection times are attractive.
In the case of the 71, there's the option of attracting quite a few passengers.

The data below is taken from the Seaham Station wiki page. There was talk elsewhere of the 21 attracting a tiny proportion of the cars travelling to/from the Arnison Centre. Yet there's a cracking example here of a chronically under-utilised resource from a wide area. 

Quote:Passengers
2015/16 [Image: 11px-Increase2.svg.png] 137,948
2016/17 [Image: 11px-Increase2.svg.png] 145,362
2017/18 [Image: 11px-Decrease2.svg.png] 140,894
2018/19 [Image: 11px-Decrease2.svg.png] 137,652
2019/20 [Image: 11px-Increase2.svg.png] 138,938
 


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

ne14ne1



1,508
18 May 2021, 9:30 am #9
Have the ex-London B9s often on the 93/94 had NSA systems fitted yet? Sure it was mentioned in an update a while back that they would.
ne14ne1
18 May 2021, 9:30 am #9

Have the ex-London B9s often on the 93/94 had NSA systems fitted yet? Sure it was mentioned in an update a while back that they would.

18 May 2021, 10:00 am #10
Yea I've noticed that them and the toonlink deckers as well
Micheal Aaron
18 May 2021, 10:00 am #10

Yea I've noticed that them and the toonlink deckers as well

ne14ne1



1,508
18 May 2021, 10:04 am #11
(18 May 2021, 10:00 am)Micheal Aaron Yea I've noticed that them and the toonlink deckers as well

They do?
ne14ne1
18 May 2021, 10:04 am #11

(18 May 2021, 10:00 am)Micheal Aaron Yea I've noticed that them and the toonlink deckers as well

They do?

18 May 2021, 10:08 am #12
Yea the ToonLink ones have the old Citylink 58 next stop. The 93/94 have something saying. This is the 93 circle to Gateshead or something like that
Micheal Aaron
18 May 2021, 10:08 am #12

Yea the ToonLink ones have the old Citylink 58 next stop. The 93/94 have something saying. This is the 93 circle to Gateshead or something like that

ne14ne1



1,508
18 May 2021, 10:34 am #13
(18 May 2021, 10:08 am)Micheal Aaron Yea the ToonLink ones have the old Citylink 58 next stop. The 93/94 have something saying. This is the 93 circle to Gateshead or something like that

Ah nice one, GNE.
ne14ne1
18 May 2021, 10:34 am #13

(18 May 2021, 10:08 am)Micheal Aaron Yea the ToonLink ones have the old Citylink 58 next stop. The 93/94 have something saying. This is the 93 circle to Gateshead or something like that

Ah nice one, GNE.

18 May 2021, 11:11 am #14
Tbh the 58 if there gonna be toonlink deckers they should change it. This is the Toonlink 58 service to Newcastle. The citylink next stop doesn't add up to the toonlink branding
Micheal Aaron
18 May 2021, 11:11 am #14

Tbh the 58 if there gonna be toonlink deckers they should change it. This is the Toonlink 58 service to Newcastle. The citylink next stop doesn't add up to the toonlink branding

JP6004



1,833
18 May 2021, 12:15 pm #15
(18 May 2021, 11:11 am)Micheal Aaron Tbh the 58 if there gonna be toonlink deckers they should change it. This is the Toonlink 58 service to Newcastle. The citylink next stop doesn't add up to the toonlink branding
Surely a working NSA system is better than having the incorrect brand name
JP6004
18 May 2021, 12:15 pm #15

(18 May 2021, 11:11 am)Micheal Aaron Tbh the 58 if there gonna be toonlink deckers they should change it. This is the Toonlink 58 service to Newcastle. The citylink next stop doesn't add up to the toonlink branding
Surely a working NSA system is better than having the incorrect brand name

ne14ne1



1,508
18 May 2021, 2:10 pm #16
Unless I’ve missed something the service is currently the ‘Citylink 58’, so the announcements saying such are correct. There just so happens to be some B9s running around in the defunct Toonlink livery. Hopefully the remaining Toonlink examples disappear, whether the B9s and Scanias are repainted or sold on.

Personally I’d have the 58 (& 57) as corporate and drop any brand names from their NSA’s.
Then again if the 58 eventually gets electric vehicles it may become Voltra. We’ll have to wait and see.
ne14ne1
18 May 2021, 2:10 pm #16

Unless I’ve missed something the service is currently the ‘Citylink 58’, so the announcements saying such are correct. There just so happens to be some B9s running around in the defunct Toonlink livery. Hopefully the remaining Toonlink examples disappear, whether the B9s and Scanias are repainted or sold on.

Personally I’d have the 58 (& 57) as corporate and drop any brand names from their NSA’s.
Then again if the 58 eventually gets electric vehicles it may become Voltra. We’ll have to wait and see.

18 May 2021, 2:27 pm #17
Tbh the 58 being branded ToonLink gives the ToonLink name a meaning. I never understand why they were put on the X70/X71. Tbh they suit being on the 58
Micheal Aaron
18 May 2021, 2:27 pm #17

Tbh the 58 being branded ToonLink gives the ToonLink name a meaning. I never understand why they were put on the X70/X71. Tbh they suit being on the 58

18 May 2021, 2:35 pm #18
(18 May 2021, 2:27 pm)Micheal Aaron Tbh the 58 being branded ToonLink gives the ToonLink name a meaning. I never understand why they were put on the X70/X71. Tbh they suit being on the 58

Because ToonLink is a very generic name, and makes sense on any route that serves Newcastle. Heck, they could even shove a ToonLink on the X21 and it'd still work since it's linking Bishop to Newcastle

They could have easily made it a sub-brand like X-Lines but for the non-express routes out of Newcastle, if it wasn't such a horrific name!
streetdeckfan
18 May 2021, 2:35 pm #18

(18 May 2021, 2:27 pm)Micheal Aaron Tbh the 58 being branded ToonLink gives the ToonLink name a meaning. I never understand why they were put on the X70/X71. Tbh they suit being on the 58

Because ToonLink is a very generic name, and makes sense on any route that serves Newcastle. Heck, they could even shove a ToonLink on the X21 and it'd still work since it's linking Bishop to Newcastle

They could have easily made it a sub-brand like X-Lines but for the non-express routes out of Newcastle, if it wasn't such a horrific name!

18 May 2021, 2:41 pm #19
Tbh some branded buses make little sense (as obviously the little coasters) others including the Citylink 57/58 as yes they connected Heworth and Wardly to Newcastle. But cutting the 58 from Hadrian Park to Newcastle was stupid then making the 57 go there. Then cut that made no sense. Making the oh so pointless 311. I hate the 311 with a passion. I cannot stress how much I hate the 311. Erm QuayCity makes sense. QuayLink not to sure yet
Micheal Aaron
18 May 2021, 2:41 pm #19

Tbh some branded buses make little sense (as obviously the little coasters) others including the Citylink 57/58 as yes they connected Heworth and Wardly to Newcastle. But cutting the 58 from Hadrian Park to Newcastle was stupid then making the 57 go there. Then cut that made no sense. Making the oh so pointless 311. I hate the 311 with a passion. I cannot stress how much I hate the 311. Erm QuayCity makes sense. QuayLink not to sure yet

18 May 2021, 2:46 pm #20
(18 May 2021, 2:41 pm)Victor Meldrew Making the oh so pointless 311. I hate the 311 with a passion. I cannot stress how much I hate the 311.

What has the 311 done to deserve this?
omnicity4659
18 May 2021, 2:46 pm #20

(18 May 2021, 2:41 pm)Victor Meldrew Making the oh so pointless 311. I hate the 311 with a passion. I cannot stress how much I hate the 311.

What has the 311 done to deserve this?

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