Enviro 400MMC's for the X10
Enviro 400MMC's for the X10
(20 Dec 2021, 2:47 pm)L469 YVK Not at the time they weren't. But things have changed since then and things do change.I wonder what the E400 City would be like, they would be a night fit for the X21 tbh. Get those current ones on the 27, with some ex 21's if the EV bid becomes successful. And stick whats left on the 58.
Likewise before COVID, the coaches were supposed to run an airport route but again like other things, that sharp curbed the need for them to serve that purpose.
GNE I think are making a sensible decision to revert back to buses. The E400MMC should be at least as capable as the Volvo B9TLs if not, more given the track record of Arriva's classics running the X15/X18. Not forgetting the opportunity to serve Eldon Square again.
I don't see why GNE didn't just go for ZF ADL E400MMCs in the first place for the X9/X10 back in 2017 considering the E400City was trialled rather than staying loyal to Wrights who could only offer underpowered hairdryers (for that route) in either Daimler or Volvo guise.
(20 Dec 2021, 2:49 pm)streetdeckfan I don't think they were paid for by GNE, I believe either MG or Dan said they are paid for on delivery, and since GNE didn't receive them they wouldn't pay for themNot really the fact that they were paid or not for. Its the case that GNE lost 9 perfect Streetdeck, for buses which have worse reliability than any other buses in the fleet.
I also believe that vehicles are bought by the group then leased to the subsidiary, so the StreetDecks would be paid for by Oxford rather than GNE
(20 Dec 2021, 2:49 pm)Andreos1 I agree with a lot of what you have said here.What in the route would you change?
However, if we look at the bigger picture - I'm struggling to see what positive measures have been put in to place beyond a re-brand, Dalton Park and the coach allocation.
* There's nothing at the southern end of the route that connects from its own operations.
Even in the places where there are connections, I don't see any obvious promotion/timetabling between say a local Peterlee service and the X9 or a 65 to/from Dalton Park with the X10.
* Then there are ticketing implications for passengers looking to make those changes. Is it obvious which of the many ticketing options is the right one for them?
* Pricing/timing vs the train (as has been pointed out already) isn't weighted in GNE's favour.
* Re-routing of the service to suit passenger needs hasn't happened.
* Timetable tweaks or adaptations haven't been implemented to suit customer needs.
Then there's been years worth of road works at Testos and Wynyard/Norton.
I accept the pandemic has played a part, however I'm of the belief that GNE need to hold their hands up and say they've not done enough.
We've essentially got the same service as we had when it was a joint operation 30 years ago and somehow, it's expected to work now as it did then.
(20 Dec 2021, 2:47 pm)L469 YVK Not at the time they weren't. But things have changed since then and things do change.I wonder what the E400 City would be like, they would be a night fit for the X21 tbh. Get those current ones on the 27, with some ex 21's if the EV bid becomes successful. And stick whats left on the 58.
Likewise before COVID, the coaches were supposed to run an airport route but again like other things, that sharp curbed the need for them to serve that purpose.
GNE I think are making a sensible decision to revert back to buses. The E400MMC should be at least as capable as the Volvo B9TLs if not, more given the track record of Arriva's classics running the X15/X18. Not forgetting the opportunity to serve Eldon Square again.
I don't see why GNE didn't just go for ZF ADL E400MMCs in the first place for the X9/X10 back in 2017 considering the E400City was trialled rather than staying loyal to Wrights who could only offer underpowered hairdryers (for that route) in either Daimler or Volvo guise.
(20 Dec 2021, 2:49 pm)streetdeckfan I don't think they were paid for by GNE, I believe either MG or Dan said they are paid for on delivery, and since GNE didn't receive them they wouldn't pay for themNot really the fact that they were paid or not for. Its the case that GNE lost 9 perfect Streetdeck, for buses which have worse reliability than any other buses in the fleet.
I also believe that vehicles are bought by the group then leased to the subsidiary, so the StreetDecks would be paid for by Oxford rather than GNE
(20 Dec 2021, 2:49 pm)Andreos1 I agree with a lot of what you have said here.What in the route would you change?
However, if we look at the bigger picture - I'm struggling to see what positive measures have been put in to place beyond a re-brand, Dalton Park and the coach allocation.
* There's nothing at the southern end of the route that connects from its own operations.
Even in the places where there are connections, I don't see any obvious promotion/timetabling between say a local Peterlee service and the X9 or a 65 to/from Dalton Park with the X10.
* Then there are ticketing implications for passengers looking to make those changes. Is it obvious which of the many ticketing options is the right one for them?
* Pricing/timing vs the train (as has been pointed out already) isn't weighted in GNE's favour.
* Re-routing of the service to suit passenger needs hasn't happened.
* Timetable tweaks or adaptations haven't been implemented to suit customer needs.
Then there's been years worth of road works at Testos and Wynyard/Norton.
I accept the pandemic has played a part, however I'm of the belief that GNE need to hold their hands up and say they've not done enough.
We've essentially got the same service as we had when it was a joint operation 30 years ago and somehow, it's expected to work now as it did then.
