Arriva North East - Order Predictions / Suggestions
Arriva North East - Order Predictions / Suggestions
(16 Jan 2022, 10:17 am)Benny Teesside:Replacing the B9TLs on the X93/X94 & E400s on the X15/X18 would in turn then replace most of the 57 reg E400s at Jesmond. They could then take a backseat role replacing some of the Geminis and ALX400s.
Hydrogen Deckers (funded by Mayor) for service 15, Pulsars released get major refurb and replace remaining Omnicities at Darlington
Northumbria:
Envriro400MMC for Ashington, allowing older E400s to replace Gemini's and some ALX400s across fleets
(16 Jan 2022, 10:17 am)Benny Teesside:Replacing the B9TLs on the X93/X94 & E400s on the X15/X18 would in turn then replace most of the 57 reg E400s at Jesmond. They could then take a backseat role replacing some of the Geminis and ALX400s.
Hydrogen Deckers (funded by Mayor) for service 15, Pulsars released get major refurb and replace remaining Omnicities at Darlington
Northumbria:
Envriro400MMC for Ashington, allowing older E400s to replace Gemini's and some ALX400s across fleets
I never get the obsession with new buses on the X93 it's a summer bus route that is dead the rest of the year with buses which are perfectly fine.
There's plenty Ex London stock coming out to replace the spare buses, it's single deckers which are more important especially the Omnicity's and the Solo's which are battered which need investment plus something for Ashington as they're shot on the X15.
(16 Jan 2022, 12:06 pm)Storx I never get the obsession with new buses on the X93 it's a summer bus route that is dead the rest of the year with buses which are perfectly fine.New vehicles for the X93 would allow Volvo B9TLs to be cascaded onto the X20.
There's plenty Ex London stock coming out to replace the spare buses, it's single deckers which are more important especially the Omnicity's and the Solo's which are battered which need investment plus something for Ashington as they're shot on the X15.
(16 Jan 2022, 12:06 pm)Storx I never get the obsession with new buses on the X93 it's a summer bus route that is dead the rest of the year with buses which are perfectly fine.New vehicles for the X93 would allow Volvo B9TLs to be cascaded onto the X20.
There's plenty Ex London stock coming out to replace the spare buses, it's single deckers which are more important especially the Omnicity's and the Solo's which are battered which need investment plus something for Ashington as they're shot on the X15.
(16 Jan 2022, 1:18 pm)L469 YVK New vehicles for the X93 would allow Volvo B9TLs to be cascaded onto the X20.
(16 Jan 2022, 1:18 pm)L469 YVK New vehicles for the X93 would allow Volvo B9TLs to be cascaded onto the X20.
I wonder if they have a plan to replace the Streetlites on the X3/X4 and 5's at any time soon?
They aren't old buses but have been around a few years now on supposed premium Sapphire routes. If the Sapphire brand is to continue and mean anything, surely it needs fairly new and high spec buses on those services. Or at the very least a decent refurbishment, get the plug sockets, NSA audio and screen working, replace tatty branding and so on.
(19 Jan 2022, 6:40 pm)tvd I wonder if they have a plan to replace the Streetlites on the X3/X4 and 5's at any time soon?Nothing premium about Sapphire anymore, so the brand has been retired.
They aren't old buses but have been around a few years now on supposed premium Sapphire routes. If the Sapphire brand is to continue and mean anything, surely it needs fairly new and high spec buses on those services. Or at the very least a decent refurbishment, get the plug sockets, NSA audio and screen working, replace tatty branding and so on.
(19 Jan 2022, 6:40 pm)tvd I wonder if they have a plan to replace the Streetlites on the X3/X4 and 5's at any time soon?Nothing premium about Sapphire anymore, so the brand has been retired.
They aren't old buses but have been around a few years now on supposed premium Sapphire routes. If the Sapphire brand is to continue and mean anything, surely it needs fairly new and high spec buses on those services. Or at the very least a decent refurbishment, get the plug sockets, NSA audio and screen working, replace tatty branding and so on.
If a substantial vehicle order is in the pipeline........
Deckers:
- X15/X18 - OM936 StreetDeck or E400MMC (ZF)
- X93/X94 - OM936 StreetDeck
- X21/X22 - E400MMC (ZF) or OM934 StreetDeck
Cascades:
- 7401-04 - X20
- 7405-06 - NE Float Spares(?) *note 7405 could form X14 PVR
- 7522, 7524-28, 7529-33, 7553 - 43/44/45 * note 7522 would form 306/308 PVR if reduced to 13x with 7554 forming the 43/44/45 PVR
- 7541-52 (opt 1) - 308 with 2x spare either at Blyth or staying at Ashington
- 7541-52 (opt 2) - 306/308 if 306 pulled out of Battle Hill and Tynemouth - W.Bay axed. Freq every 20 mins each and interworking with the 13th vehicle (the PVR) being a classic E400
- 7554-56 (opt 1) - X14
- 7555-56 (opt 2 with 7405 or 06) - X14
- 7628-37 & 57 reg E400s - Replace older ALX400s and Geminis
(22 Jan 2022, 3:25 am)L469 YVK If a substantial vehicle order is in the pipeline........
Deckers:
- X15/X18 - OM936 StreetDeck or E400MMC (ZF)
- X93/X94 - OM936 StreetDeck
- X21/X22 - E400MMC (ZF) or OM934 StreetDeck
Cascades:
- 7401-04 - X20
- 7405-06 - NE Float Spares(?) *note 7405 could form X14 PVR
- 7522, 7524-28, 7529-33, 7553 - 43/44/45 * note 7522 would form 306/308 PVR if reduced to 13x with 7554 forming the 43/44/45 PVR
- 7541-52 (opt 1) - 308 with 2x spare either at Blyth or staying at Ashington
- 7541-52 (opt 2) - 306/308 if 306 pulled out of Battle Hill and Tynemouth - W.Bay axed. Freq every 20 mins each and interworking with the 13th vehicle (the PVR) being a classic E400
- 7554-56 (opt 1) - X14
- 7555-56 (opt 2 with 7405 or 06) - X14
- 7628-37 & 57 reg E400s - Replace older ALX400s and Geminis
(22 Jan 2022, 3:25 am)L469 YVK If a substantial vehicle order is in the pipeline........
Deckers:
- X15/X18 - OM936 StreetDeck or E400MMC (ZF)
- X93/X94 - OM936 StreetDeck
- X21/X22 - E400MMC (ZF) or OM934 StreetDeck
Cascades:
- 7401-04 - X20
- 7405-06 - NE Float Spares(?) *note 7405 could form X14 PVR
- 7522, 7524-28, 7529-33, 7553 - 43/44/45 * note 7522 would form 306/308 PVR if reduced to 13x with 7554 forming the 43/44/45 PVR
- 7541-52 (opt 1) - 308 with 2x spare either at Blyth or staying at Ashington
- 7541-52 (opt 2) - 306/308 if 306 pulled out of Battle Hill and Tynemouth - W.Bay axed. Freq every 20 mins each and interworking with the 13th vehicle (the PVR) being a classic E400
- 7554-56 (opt 1) - X14
- 7555-56 (opt 2 with 7405 or 06) - X14
- 7628-37 & 57 reg E400s - Replace older ALX400s and Geminis
(22 Jan 2022, 9:03 am)Storx Could mix it up and buy buses for some different routes aswell. The X7-X11 are ignored on here and are more profitable than the X14.Blyth could certainly do with investment if they were doing it over a period of two years but Ashington would be the natural choice first. X93/X94 would depend whether deckers are still required on the X14?
They're due new buses pretty much:
Scania N113 - 1996
Gemini 7601 - 7615 - 2009
New Buses - 2022
There's also the issue that the Pulsars need to leave Blyth so they need new Deckers since there's no space so why not upgrade the X7/X8/X9 for a change and try and grow a route rather than buying buses over and over again for the X21/22, get arid of all the MAX Pulsars (leaving the non MAX 9 for the 1/2) to replace stuff elsewhere. 7601 -> 7608, 7611/7612 could then go to Durham for the X46 and other routes. Remember Durham had one on loan for absolutely no real reason recently which could possibly have been route testing.
Would leave 7616 -> 7625 for the X10/X11 and 7628 -> 7637 for the 308 who still have a couple years left being 61 plates so in theory are due 2024 with 7613/7614/7615 as spares.
Ashington need new buses for the X15/X18 and that's it and I've already said about the X93/X94 which needs nothing. Well and the 57/57A.
(22 Jan 2022, 9:03 am)Storx Could mix it up and buy buses for some different routes aswell. The X7-X11 are ignored on here and are more profitable than the X14.Blyth could certainly do with investment if they were doing it over a period of two years but Ashington would be the natural choice first. X93/X94 would depend whether deckers are still required on the X14?
They're due new buses pretty much:
Scania N113 - 1996
Gemini 7601 - 7615 - 2009
New Buses - 2022
There's also the issue that the Pulsars need to leave Blyth so they need new Deckers since there's no space so why not upgrade the X7/X8/X9 for a change and try and grow a route rather than buying buses over and over again for the X21/22, get arid of all the MAX Pulsars (leaving the non MAX 9 for the 1/2) to replace stuff elsewhere. 7601 -> 7608, 7611/7612 could then go to Durham for the X46 and other routes. Remember Durham had one on loan for absolutely no real reason recently which could possibly have been route testing.
Would leave 7616 -> 7625 for the X10/X11 and 7628 -> 7637 for the 308 who still have a couple years left being 61 plates so in theory are due 2024 with 7613/7614/7615 as spares.
Ashington need new buses for the X15/X18 and that's it and I've already said about the X93/X94 which needs nothing. Well and the 57/57A.
Does anyone know how the fine for taking a non-Euro6 bus into the CAZ will work? Is it a fine every time, or is it a daily charge?
If it's the latter then as I've said in the past it may be better financially to just pay the fine for the time being rather than rushing out and buying new vehicles when they don't know what numbers will be like
(24 Jan 2022, 4:36 pm)streetdeckfan Does anyone know how the fine for taking a non-Euro6 bus into the CAZ will work? Is it a fine every time, or is it a daily charge?
If it's the latter then as I've said in the past it may be better financially to just pay the fine for the time being rather than rushing out and buying new vehicles when they don't know what numbers will be like
(24 Jan 2022, 4:36 pm)streetdeckfan Does anyone know how the fine for taking a non-Euro6 bus into the CAZ will work? Is it a fine every time, or is it a daily charge?
If it's the latter then as I've said in the past it may be better financially to just pay the fine for the time being rather than rushing out and buying new vehicles when they don't know what numbers will be like
(24 Jan 2022, 4:32 pm)Adrian Has anyone worked out just how many vehicles Arriva are going to need for the Newcastle CAZ? If it launches in July 2022, then that's not a lot of time left to get sorted.
(24 Jan 2022, 4:32 pm)Adrian Has anyone worked out just how many vehicles Arriva are going to need for the Newcastle CAZ? If it launches in July 2022, then that's not a lot of time left to get sorted.
(24 Jan 2022, 5:31 pm)Adrian Daily charge.
Temporary exemptions may be in place to cover vehicles where there are arrangements in place for them to be upgraded or where a vehicle may be subject to a finance agreement that is due to expire within a certain time limit.
(24 Jan 2022, 5:31 pm)Adrian Daily charge.
Temporary exemptions may be in place to cover vehicles where there are arrangements in place for them to be upgraded or where a vehicle may be subject to a finance agreement that is due to expire within a certain time limit.
(24 Jan 2022, 4:32 pm)Adrian Has anyone worked out just how many vehicles Arriva are going to need for the Newcastle CAZ? If it launches in July 2022, then that's not a lot of time left to get sorted.
(24 Jan 2022, 5:35 pm)Storx I might have missed something but on paper, the B7's at Jesmond and the Solo's (which might be done). There's nothing else, Blyth and Ashington (on paper) are already sorted.
The on paper being the B7's and Solo's at Ashington regularly end up in Newcastle which should be on the 35. There's definitely a batch of Pulsars down Durham / Stockton done aswell.
(24 Jan 2022, 4:32 pm)Adrian Has anyone worked out just how many vehicles Arriva are going to need for the Newcastle CAZ? If it launches in July 2022, then that's not a lot of time left to get sorted.
(24 Jan 2022, 5:35 pm)Storx I might have missed something but on paper, the B7's at Jesmond and the Solo's (which might be done). There's nothing else, Blyth and Ashington (on paper) are already sorted.
The on paper being the B7's and Solo's at Ashington regularly end up in Newcastle which should be on the 35. There's definitely a batch of Pulsars down Durham / Stockton done aswell.
(24 Jan 2022, 6:21 pm)peter Yeah I've also heard that unlike GNE and Stagecoach, Arriva have just chosen to retrofit everything. As mentioned above the only exceptions are the B7 Gemini's and some of the Solo's which shouldn't be too difficult to sort out given rumours of cascades.
(24 Jan 2022, 6:21 pm)peter Yeah I've also heard that unlike GNE and Stagecoach, Arriva have just chosen to retrofit everything. As mentioned above the only exceptions are the B7 Gemini's and some of the Solo's which shouldn't be too difficult to sort out given rumours of cascades.
(24 Jan 2022, 6:21 pm)peter Yeah I've also heard that unlike GNE and Stagecoach, Arriva have just chosen to retrofit everything. As mentioned above the only exceptions are the B7 Gemini's and some of the Solo's which shouldn't be too difficult to sort out given rumours of cascades.
(24 Jan 2022, 6:21 pm)peter Yeah I've also heard that unlike GNE and Stagecoach, Arriva have just chosen to retrofit everything. As mentioned above the only exceptions are the B7 Gemini's and some of the Solo's which shouldn't be too difficult to sort out given rumours of cascades.
