Stagecoach UK Fleet Reserves / Disposals
Stagecoach UK Fleet Reserves / Disposals
I was looking through some of Steven Knight recent fleet updates from the last fortnight on Twitter and thought I would take note of them as their is some interesting additions in the Reserves at various depots likewise the has been a number interesting disposals, I say because some of these vehicles could of replaced much older vehicles which are still in the fleet across the country.
From looking at the lists below i'd happily take the B7RLE's from Fenstation to replace the Alexander ALX300's or those god awful ManViro 200's on some our local routes providing they've been upgraded to Euro 6.
I'd also take those Omnicity Double Decks at Cambridge to displace some of the older E400's in the Fleet, again providing they are Euro 6, however the vast majority of these will more than likely be used for the Common Wealth Games Fleet in Birmingham between 28/07/22 and 08/08/2022 however are a few months away from that and I doubt Stagecoach would want these vehicles sat doing nothing for 5 months.
Stagecoach Reserve Fleet
Scania Omnicitys 15074/75/78/81/83/85/87/89/90/92 – Cambridge
Tridents 18055/18433 - Lincoln
E400 19146 - Lincoln
Volvo B7RLEs 21221-31 – Fenstation / 21263 – Hull / 21270 - Skegness
Enviro 300s 27520-23 - Cambridge
Dart SLFs 34881/82 – Banbury / 35237 – Hastings / 34565/34708/34709 - Cumbria
Manviros 200’s - 39723/25/27/29-32 – Sunderland
Enviro 200s 36012/41/60/61, 36301/02/06/07/08 – Bedford / 36738 Reserve – Ayr / 37200 - Hull
Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 44010 – Exeter
Optare Solo 47517 - Chester
Optare Solo SR 47812 – Inverness
Stagecoach Disposals
Stagecoach South West Dart SLFs 34612/14. 34777, 34859/77, 35168/70 and Solos 47698/99.
Stagecoach North East Manviro 200 39703 from South Shields.
Stagecoach West MAN/Enviro 300s 22844/45 along with Optare Solos 47242 and 47596 as well as Van Hool Astromega 50237
Stagecoach Highlands Volvo B7Rs 53254 and 53305; Volvo B9R 53624 and Optare Solo 47574 whilst Volvo B7RLE 21205 is reported as scrapped with Volvo B12B 53108 and Volvo B7Rs 53304/14 being sold to Ensign Bus.
Stagecoach Cumbria Optare Solo 47452 has been sold
(14 Feb 2022, 10:22 pm)peter You'd think the withdrawal of the 18, 32/32A and 35 will see off the remaining 54 reg examples
(14 Feb 2022, 10:48 pm)Dan Only if Stagecoach don’t win these contracts back! I’d imagine they’ll be bidding competitively.
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(14 Feb 2022, 11:09 pm)peter Oh! I assumed because they had cancelled them on VOSA that was that and that someone else must have got them!
(14 Feb 2022, 11:09 pm)peter Oh! I assumed because they had cancelled them on VOSA that was that and that someone else must have got them!
(15 Feb 2022, 6:38 am)Dan Nope - they’ll need to re-register them if they win them back. Go North East have similarly registered its cancellations for all their affected services and if they win any services back they will also have to re-register them.Am I the only one uncomfortable with this system?
Tender results due to be awarded on 28 February so nothing will be registered until at least then, and in reality it will probably be closer to the end of that week.
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(15 Feb 2022, 6:38 am)Dan Nope - they’ll need to re-register them if they win them back. Go North East have similarly registered its cancellations for all their affected services and if they win any services back they will also have to re-register them.Am I the only one uncomfortable with this system?
Tender results due to be awarded on 28 February so nothing will be registered until at least then, and in reality it will probably be closer to the end of that week.
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(15 Feb 2022, 12:43 pm)Bazza Am I the only one uncomfortable with this system?
Maybe if the operator who has decided not to run the unprofitable trips is ruled out of tendering for public money, or better still, the local authority puts all trips for that route throughout the day (with any profits going back into the public purse) for tender, it may focus the minds within the various companies who decide that putting their hand out is the easy option.
(15 Feb 2022, 12:43 pm)Bazza Am I the only one uncomfortable with this system?
Maybe if the operator who has decided not to run the unprofitable trips is ruled out of tendering for public money, or better still, the local authority puts all trips for that route throughout the day (with any profits going back into the public purse) for tender, it may focus the minds within the various companies who decide that putting their hand out is the easy option.
Bazza [b pid='271828' dateline='1644929019']Am I the only one uncomfortable with this system?[/b]Nope. You're not.
Maybe if the operator who has decided not to run the unprofitable trips is ruled out of tendering for public money, or better still, the local authority puts all trips for that route throughout the day (with any profits going back into the public purse) for tender, it may focus the minds within the various companies who decide that putting their hand out is the easy option.
Bazza [b pid='271828' dateline='1644929019']Am I the only one uncomfortable with this system?[/b]Nope. You're not.
Maybe if the operator who has decided not to run the unprofitable trips is ruled out of tendering for public money, or better still, the local authority puts all trips for that route throughout the day (with any profits going back into the public purse) for tender, it may focus the minds within the various companies who decide that putting their hand out is the easy option.
(15 Feb 2022, 1:58 pm)Andreos1 Nope. You're not.More recently the 29 which used to be secured then GNE took it commercially as GCT were though to have had a good chance to run it.
To think an operator may just not break even, but is more than happy running it under subsidy shows how broken the system really is.
They're not bothered about passengers. They're not bothered about the tax payer.
Because if they were, I'd argue that this whole process wouldn't exist in the first place.
Theres been many an example of an operator running something courtesy of their begging bowl, to then suddenly decide that very same service is commercially viable once someone else wins the tender.
(15 Feb 2022, 1:58 pm)Andreos1 Nope. You're not.More recently the 29 which used to be secured then GNE took it commercially as GCT were though to have had a good chance to run it.
To think an operator may just not break even, but is more than happy running it under subsidy shows how broken the system really is.
They're not bothered about passengers. They're not bothered about the tax payer.
Because if they were, I'd argue that this whole process wouldn't exist in the first place.
Theres been many an example of an operator running something courtesy of their begging bowl, to then suddenly decide that very same service is commercially viable once someone else wins the tender.
(15 Feb 2022, 2:40 pm)Rob44 More recently the 29 which used to be secured then GNE took it commercially as GCT were though to have had a good chance to run it.
Also going back i while i remember the 44b being run by OK travelo as a conection from newcastle to dinnington via hazlerrig when Northumbria changed the 44 to hazlerigg to whitlybay. It made so much money the ok travel took it on commercially. Go ahnead then took them over and it disappeared.
(15 Feb 2022, 2:40 pm)Rob44 More recently the 29 which used to be secured then GNE took it commercially as GCT were though to have had a good chance to run it.
Also going back i while i remember the 44b being run by OK travelo as a conection from newcastle to dinnington via hazlerrig when Northumbria changed the 44 to hazlerigg to whitlybay. It made so much money the ok travel took it on commercially. Go ahnead then took them over and it disappeared.
I definitely think this is a case of "don't hate the player, hate the game".
If you know the LA are going to pay you to run a service you cancel, why wouldn't you?
(15 Feb 2022, 2:50 pm)Dan It proves how infrequently this happens when we still cling onto the 29 as an example of this happening. Wasn’t this 5+ years ago now?
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(15 Feb 2022, 2:50 pm)Dan It proves how infrequently this happens when we still cling onto the 29 as an example of this happening. Wasn’t this 5+ years ago now?
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(15 Feb 2022, 12:43 pm)Bazza Am I the only one uncomfortable with this system?
Maybe if the operator who has decided not to run the unprofitable trips is ruled out of tendering for public money, or better still, the local authority puts all trips for that route throughout the day (with any profits going back into the public purse) for tender, it may focus the minds within the various companies who decide that putting their hand out is the easy option.
(15 Feb 2022, 12:43 pm)Bazza Am I the only one uncomfortable with this system?
Maybe if the operator who has decided not to run the unprofitable trips is ruled out of tendering for public money, or better still, the local authority puts all trips for that route throughout the day (with any profits going back into the public purse) for tender, it may focus the minds within the various companies who decide that putting their hand out is the easy option.
(15 Feb 2022, 2:50 pm)Dan It proves how infrequently this happens when we still cling onto the 29 as an example of this happening. Wasn’t this 5+ years ago now?
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(15 Feb 2022, 2:50 pm)Dan It proves how infrequently this happens when we still cling onto the 29 as an example of this happening. Wasn’t this 5+ years ago now?
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(15 Feb 2022, 11:00 pm)busmanT And if we are using the 44B as an example we are going back almost to the dawn of time!!
At least to a different era, before out of town retail parks, out of town business parks and Sunday trading.
We're in a completely different place now, with passenger numbers c25-30% below pre covid but with bus operating costs about 106% of pre-covid (driver wage increase plus extra cleaning costs). Many operators have yet to feel the increase in fuel cost as they are hedged, but that will be the next big cost increase.
(15 Feb 2022, 11:00 pm)busmanT And if we are using the 44B as an example we are going back almost to the dawn of time!!
At least to a different era, before out of town retail parks, out of town business parks and Sunday trading.
We're in a completely different place now, with passenger numbers c25-30% below pre covid but with bus operating costs about 106% of pre-covid (driver wage increase plus extra cleaning costs). Many operators have yet to feel the increase in fuel cost as they are hedged, but that will be the next big cost increase.
(15 Feb 2022, 3:42 pm)Rob44 Very true but as you know dan its one of the services i am sometimes forces to use...... so it is relevant to me......... and TBH it seemed to be more reliable when it was secured!It would be interesting to compare the before and after stats for reliability, but I reckon the financial claw backs were a factor when it was secured!
(15 Feb 2022, 3:42 pm)Rob44 Very true but as you know dan its one of the services i am sometimes forces to use...... so it is relevant to me......... and TBH it seemed to be more reliable when it was secured!It would be interesting to compare the before and after stats for reliability, but I reckon the financial claw backs were a factor when it was secured!
(16 Feb 2022, 1:46 pm)Andreos1 It would be interesting to compare the before and after stats for reliability, but I reckon the financial claw backs were a factor when it was secured!
(16 Feb 2022, 1:46 pm)Andreos1 It would be interesting to compare the before and after stats for reliability, but I reckon the financial claw backs were a factor when it was secured!
