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Jimmi

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27 Mar 2022, 1:41 pm #41

(27 Mar 2022, 9:09 am)Andreos1 Saw a Solo on the X66 yesterday PM approaching Boro and it was rammed.

All too frequent of an occurrence these days sadly, really wish we could get some more suitably sized buses to run some of these out of town services at Darlington.

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Jimmi

27 Mar 2022, 1:41 pm #41

(27 Mar 2022, 9:09 am)Andreos1 Saw a Solo on the X66 yesterday PM approaching Boro and it was rammed.

All too frequent of an occurrence these days sadly, really wish we could get some more suitably sized buses to run some of these out of town services at Darlington.

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Andreos1

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27 Mar 2022, 1:50 pm #42

(27 Mar 2022, 1:41 pm)Jimmi All too frequent of an occurrence these days sadly, really wish we could get some more suitably sized buses to run some of these out of town services at Darlington.

Short term, I can't see it doing the services any good at all. Particularly when there's the rail alternative for a proportion of the passengers.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Andreos1

27 Mar 2022, 1:50 pm #42

(27 Mar 2022, 1:41 pm)Jimmi All too frequent of an occurrence these days sadly, really wish we could get some more suitably sized buses to run some of these out of town services at Darlington.

Short term, I can't see it doing the services any good at all. Particularly when there's the rail alternative for a proportion of the passengers.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

peter

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27 Mar 2022, 2:35 pm #43

(27 Mar 2022, 8:50 am)Storx Thanks for that, thought it was 2 but didn't realise it interworked with 56. Makes sense though. Definitely though especially with all the vehicles off the road.

Isn't there 14 Enviro 200 MMC's which I'm assuming are going to be MPD length (8.5m I think) to replace the Solo's there coming. I do agree with the rest of it though mind pretty much, but the X7-X11 will need more buses than that as there is currently Pulsars on daily, believe roughly 3 boards on the X7/X8/X9.

Personally though my random guess is:

Ashington:
1/2 - 8x Pulsar
35 - 2x Pulsar (1493 / 1501) / 2x Enviro 400 MMC
X20 - 2x Enviro 400 MMC / 2x Pulsar (1408 / 1411)
X21/X22 - Enviro 400 MMC
X14 - Pulsar (1502 - 1505) - Interworking with something??
X15 - Enviro 400 MMC
X18 - 6x Enviro 400 MMC
57/57A - Unknown

Blyth:
X7/X8/X9 - 14x Gemini
X10/X11 - ??? (7529 - 7533, 7553 - 7556 maybe?)
306/308 - 17x Gemini
52/53/54 - Streetlites

Jesmond:
43/44/45 - 6x Enviro 400 (7522 / 7524 - 7528) / 8x Pulsar (1500 / 1537 - 1543)
47 - Pulsar
685 - Pulsar (Sapphires)
Minibuses - Enviro 200 MMC

Other Depots:
X93/X94 Spares - 7557 / 7558 - 7560 / 7562
X46 - 7514 - 7517 / 7519 - 7521
B7TL Spare replacement - 7501 - 7509 / 7511 - 7512 (Spread between Blyth, Jesmond and Durham - maybe some at Ashington aswell).

I'm expecting to be very wrong

Yeah you're right it is 14, not sure where I got 12 from lol, that would be enough to replace 14 of the current 16 Solo's, presumably the last two will also get the boot.

Personally I think it'll be:

Ashington:
1/2: 8 x Pulsar (1407/9/29/32/61/62/63/75)
35: 5 x ADL E400 (7509-12/14)
57/57A/58: 5 x Optare Solo (2845-49)
X14: 2 x ADL E400 + 1 x Pulsar (7515/16/1408)
X15: 4 x New MMC's
X18: 5 x New MMC's
X20: 4 x New MMC's
X21/X22: 7544-7552 + 6 x New MMC's
Spare: 1411, 1497, 2842-44, 7517, 7541-7543 (allocated to X14 if no MMC's VOR)

Blyth:
X7/X8/X9: 14 x Gemini (7601-8/11-15 + 1 E400)
X10/11: 8 x Gemini (7616-17/20-25)
308: 10 x Gemini (7628-7637)
43: 7 x E400 (7501-7507)
52/53/54: 13 x Streetlite (1575-78/81-89)
Spare: 1574, 7508, 7557/8/60/62

Newcastle:
46/46A/51/51A: 5 x New E200
47: 1 x Pulsar (1499)
55: 3 x New E200
553: 2 x New E200
555: 1 x New E200
685: 3 x Pulsar (1479/1512/1513)
306: 8 x Pulsar (1495/96/1500-1505)
44/45: 5 x Pulsar (1537-41)
Spare: 1480, 1493, 1542/43, 3 x New E200

Not sure if I've left enough spares but potentially: 7522-7528, 7529-7533, 7553-7556 could all go to the North East depots

peter

27 Mar 2022, 2:35 pm #43

(27 Mar 2022, 8:50 am)Storx Thanks for that, thought it was 2 but didn't realise it interworked with 56. Makes sense though. Definitely though especially with all the vehicles off the road.

Isn't there 14 Enviro 200 MMC's which I'm assuming are going to be MPD length (8.5m I think) to replace the Solo's there coming. I do agree with the rest of it though mind pretty much, but the X7-X11 will need more buses than that as there is currently Pulsars on daily, believe roughly 3 boards on the X7/X8/X9.

Personally though my random guess is:

Ashington:
1/2 - 8x Pulsar
35 - 2x Pulsar (1493 / 1501) / 2x Enviro 400 MMC
X20 - 2x Enviro 400 MMC / 2x Pulsar (1408 / 1411)
X21/X22 - Enviro 400 MMC
X14 - Pulsar (1502 - 1505) - Interworking with something??
X15 - Enviro 400 MMC
X18 - 6x Enviro 400 MMC
57/57A - Unknown

Blyth:
X7/X8/X9 - 14x Gemini
X10/X11 - ??? (7529 - 7533, 7553 - 7556 maybe?)
306/308 - 17x Gemini
52/53/54 - Streetlites

Jesmond:
43/44/45 - 6x Enviro 400 (7522 / 7524 - 7528) / 8x Pulsar (1500 / 1537 - 1543)
47 - Pulsar
685 - Pulsar (Sapphires)
Minibuses - Enviro 200 MMC

Other Depots:
X93/X94 Spares - 7557 / 7558 - 7560 / 7562
X46 - 7514 - 7517 / 7519 - 7521
B7TL Spare replacement - 7501 - 7509 / 7511 - 7512 (Spread between Blyth, Jesmond and Durham - maybe some at Ashington aswell).

I'm expecting to be very wrong

Storx

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27 Mar 2022, 4:37 pm #44

(27 Mar 2022, 2:35 pm)peter Yeah you're right it is 14, not sure where I got 12 from lol, that would be enough to replace 14 of the current 16 Solo's, presumably the last two will also get the boot.

Personally I think it'll be:

Ashington:
1/2: 8 x Pulsar (1407/9/29/32/61/62/63/75)
35: 5 x ADL E400 (7509-12/14)
57/57A/58: 5 x Optare Solo (2845-49)
X14: 2 x ADL E400 + 1 x Pulsar (7515/16/1408)
X15: 4 x New MMC's
X18: 5 x New MMC's
X20: 4 x New MMC's
X21/X22: 7544-7552 + 6 x New MMC's
Spare: 1411, 1497, 2842-44, 7517, 7541-7543 (allocated to X14 if no MMC's VOR)

Blyth:
X7/X8/X9: 14 x Gemini (7601-8/11-15 + 1 E400)
X10/11: 8 x Gemini (7616-17/20-25)
308: 10 x Gemini (7628-7637)
43: 7 x E400 (7501-7507)
52/53/54: 13 x Streetlite (1575-78/81-89)
Spare: 1574, 7508, 7557/8/60/62

Newcastle:
46/46A/51/51A: 5 x New E200
47: 1 x Pulsar (1499)
55: 3 x New E200
553: 2 x New E200
555: 1 x New E200
685: 3 x Pulsar (1479/1512/1513)
306: 8 x Pulsar (1495/96/1500-1505)
44/45: 5 x Pulsar (1537-41)
Spare: 1480, 1493, 1542/43, 3 x New E200

Not sure if I've left enough spares but potentially: 7522-7528, 7529-7533, 7553-7556 could all go to the North East depots

We'll have to see, not too dissimilar though. I do think the 306/308 will interwork though as they do on a Sunday over the 43 at Blyth though.

Storx

27 Mar 2022, 4:37 pm #44

(27 Mar 2022, 2:35 pm)peter Yeah you're right it is 14, not sure where I got 12 from lol, that would be enough to replace 14 of the current 16 Solo's, presumably the last two will also get the boot.

Personally I think it'll be:

Ashington:
1/2: 8 x Pulsar (1407/9/29/32/61/62/63/75)
35: 5 x ADL E400 (7509-12/14)
57/57A/58: 5 x Optare Solo (2845-49)
X14: 2 x ADL E400 + 1 x Pulsar (7515/16/1408)
X15: 4 x New MMC's
X18: 5 x New MMC's
X20: 4 x New MMC's
X21/X22: 7544-7552 + 6 x New MMC's
Spare: 1411, 1497, 2842-44, 7517, 7541-7543 (allocated to X14 if no MMC's VOR)

Blyth:
X7/X8/X9: 14 x Gemini (7601-8/11-15 + 1 E400)
X10/11: 8 x Gemini (7616-17/20-25)
308: 10 x Gemini (7628-7637)
43: 7 x E400 (7501-7507)
52/53/54: 13 x Streetlite (1575-78/81-89)
Spare: 1574, 7508, 7557/8/60/62

Newcastle:
46/46A/51/51A: 5 x New E200
47: 1 x Pulsar (1499)
55: 3 x New E200
553: 2 x New E200
555: 1 x New E200
685: 3 x Pulsar (1479/1512/1513)
306: 8 x Pulsar (1495/96/1500-1505)
44/45: 5 x Pulsar (1537-41)
Spare: 1480, 1493, 1542/43, 3 x New E200

Not sure if I've left enough spares but potentially: 7522-7528, 7529-7533, 7553-7556 could all go to the North East depots

We'll have to see, not too dissimilar though. I do think the 306/308 will interwork though as they do on a Sunday over the 43 at Blyth though.

Shrek

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27 Mar 2022, 8:18 pm #45

I was told a couple of months ago that with the new housing developments in Hazlerigg and Dinnington that Arriva intend to keep deckers on the 44 and 45. There's always a chance that could have changed, but that was apparently their plan.

Shrek

27 Mar 2022, 8:18 pm #45

L469 YVK

3,551

27 Mar 2022, 8:25 pm #46

(27 Mar 2022, 4:37 pm)Storx We'll have to see, not too dissimilar though. I do think the 306/308 will interwork though as they do on a Sunday over the 43 at Blyth though.

Only drawback I could see potentially would be the dead mileage from the 306. If that stayed at Walkergate, the 43 could go to Blyth with relief at Cramlington also for the 52/53/54 and perhaps a bait room?

The issue I can see for the latter group of services is driving hours as there's no way a driver could do all three in a cycle and remain within driving hours. But saying that, a bullet there and back job on the 54 must already happen now with drivers just doing a there and back before the same bus goes back to work the 52 & 53 cycle?

Or.......the 53 could go standalone during the day (5 hour round trip) with the 52 & 54 interworking?

L469 YVK

27 Mar 2022, 8:25 pm #46

(27 Mar 2022, 4:37 pm)Storx We'll have to see, not too dissimilar though. I do think the 306/308 will interwork though as they do on a Sunday over the 43 at Blyth though.

Storx

4,595

27 Mar 2022, 9:18 pm #47

(27 Mar 2022, 8:25 pm)L469 YVK Only drawback I could see potentially would be the dead mileage from the 306. If that stayed at Walkergate, the 43 could go to Blyth with relief at Cramlington also for the 52/53/54 and perhaps a bait room?

The issue I can see for the latter group of services is driving hours as there's no way a driver could do all three in a cycle and remain within driving hours. But saying that, a bullet there and back job on the 54 must already happen now with drivers just doing a there and back before the same bus goes back to work the 52 & 53 cycle?

Or.......the 53 could go standalone during the day (5 hour round trip) with the 52 & 54 interworking?

We talking about driver dead mileage or dead mileage in the morning/evening. If the latter it's not really much more than it is now. There's not too much difference between Tynemouth and Walkergate/Blyth. You have to remember most (if not all) the boards start on the Coast pretty much. If the 306 doesn't go back to every 30 minutes. You could make the case of extending the runs through to Whitley Bay in the evening aswell, they sit around doing nothing for 30 minutes at Tynemouth anyway so might aswell do something and the distance from Whitley to Blyth is negligible to Newcastle.

If the former they should be able to do 308 -> 306 -> 306 -> 308 with little issue.

The 50's are a bit of a mystery though, guess we'll have to see what happens there though.

Storx

27 Mar 2022, 9:18 pm #47

(27 Mar 2022, 8:25 pm)L469 YVK Only drawback I could see potentially would be the dead mileage from the 306. If that stayed at Walkergate, the 43 could go to Blyth with relief at Cramlington also for the 52/53/54 and perhaps a bait room?

The issue I can see for the latter group of services is driving hours as there's no way a driver could do all three in a cycle and remain within driving hours. But saying that, a bullet there and back job on the 54 must already happen now with drivers just doing a there and back before the same bus goes back to work the 52 & 53 cycle?

Or.......the 53 could go standalone during the day (5 hour round trip) with the 52 & 54 interworking?

Arriva7446

04 Apr 2022, 10:15 pm #48

In relation to suggestions of vehicle cascades when the new buses arrive, I am sure I read a post on here a while ago saying 7508, 9 and 22 had not had the euro 6 upgrades done. Does anyone know if they have been done now? If not I am just guessing they could be leaving Newcastle routes soon and cascaded to Durham.

Sorry I am not very informed with what's going on but I am interested in any details anyone has.

Arriva7446

04 Apr 2022, 10:15 pm #48

L469 YVK

3,551

18 Apr 2022, 3:23 pm #49

I was on 7629 yesterday for a change as opposed to the usual Volvo B9TL (was travelling from elsewhere on the Coast Road) and it felt very flat. Was holding gear for longer and taking a while to change up.

I don't remember a VDL DB300 being that flat and the driver definitely wasn't 'Sunday driving'.

Let's hope it's Blyth's turn next year.

L469 YVK

18 Apr 2022, 3:23 pm #49

Storx

4,595

18 Apr 2022, 7:01 pm #50

(18 Apr 2022, 3:23 pm)L469 YVK I was on 7629 yesterday for a change as opposed to the usual Volvo B9TL (was travelling from elsewhere on the Coast Road) and it felt very flat. Was holding gear for longer and taking a while to change up.

I don't remember a VDL DB300 being that flat and the driver definitely wasn't 'Sunday driving'.

Let's hope it's Blyth's turn next year.

Was it not just in limp mode? It happens from time to time, sounds like what your describing there.

Storx

18 Apr 2022, 7:01 pm #50

(18 Apr 2022, 3:23 pm)L469 YVK I was on 7629 yesterday for a change as opposed to the usual Volvo B9TL (was travelling from elsewhere on the Coast Road) and it felt very flat. Was holding gear for longer and taking a while to change up.

I don't remember a VDL DB300 being that flat and the driver definitely wasn't 'Sunday driving'.

Let's hope it's Blyth's turn next year.

Was it not just in limp mode? It happens from time to time, sounds like what your describing there.

L469 YVK

3,551

18 Apr 2022, 8:02 pm #51

(18 Apr 2022, 7:01 pm)Storx Was it not just in limp mode? It happens from time to time, sounds like what your describing there.

Could well have been that. I know the drivers econospeed was showing amber & red.

L469 YVK

18 Apr 2022, 8:02 pm #51

(18 Apr 2022, 7:01 pm)Storx Was it not just in limp mode? It happens from time to time, sounds like what your describing there.

Could well have been that. I know the drivers econospeed was showing amber & red.

L469 YVK

3,551

14 Jun 2022, 9:31 pm #52

Away from 'shysters' and #betterthanever , any news on Northumbria's new arrivals this summer?

L469 YVK

14 Jun 2022, 9:31 pm #52

Away from 'shysters' and #betterthanever , any news on Northumbria's new arrivals this summer?

Driver9***

204

16 Jun 2022, 10:53 am #53

(14 Jun 2022, 9:31 pm)L469 YVK Away from 'shysters' and #betterthanever , any news on Northumbria's new arrivals this summer?

The first batch of Ashingtons new buses are due early next month, with the remainder arriving by the end of August.

Driver9***

16 Jun 2022, 10:53 am #53

(14 Jun 2022, 9:31 pm)L469 YVK Away from 'shysters' and #betterthanever , any news on Northumbria's new arrivals this summer?

The first batch of Ashingtons new buses are due early next month, with the remainder arriving by the end of August.

ne14ne1

1,517

29 Jun 2022, 3:32 pm #54

Is it just a few weeks now until the first batch of new vehicles arrive?

ne14ne1

29 Jun 2022, 3:32 pm #54

Is it just a few weeks now until the first batch of new vehicles arrive?

Aaron21

785

29 Jun 2022, 3:38 pm #55

(29 Jun 2022, 3:32 pm)ne14ne1 Is it just a few weeks now until the first batch of new vehicles arrive?

That's if there still coming?

Aaron21

29 Jun 2022, 3:38 pm #55

(29 Jun 2022, 3:32 pm)ne14ne1 Is it just a few weeks now until the first batch of new vehicles arrive?

That's if there still coming?

ne14ne1

1,517

29 Jun 2022, 6:52 pm #56

(29 Jun 2022, 3:38 pm)Aaron21 That's if there still coming?

Are there rumours they are not now?

ne14ne1

29 Jun 2022, 6:52 pm #56

(29 Jun 2022, 3:38 pm)Aaron21 That's if there still coming?

Are there rumours they are not now?

Aaron21

785

29 Jun 2022, 7:10 pm #57

(29 Jun 2022, 6:52 pm)ne14ne1 Are there rumours they are not now?

Idk nothing has been mentioned since they were mentioned earlier this year or last year (can't remember when)

Aaron21

29 Jun 2022, 7:10 pm #57

(29 Jun 2022, 6:52 pm)ne14ne1 Are there rumours they are not now?

Idk nothing has been mentioned since they were mentioned earlier this year or last year (can't remember when)

busmanT

933

29 Jun 2022, 9:47 pm #58

(29 Jun 2022, 3:38 pm)Aaron21 That's if there still coming?

Still due shortly as far as I know

busmanT

29 Jun 2022, 9:47 pm #58

(29 Jun 2022, 3:38 pm)Aaron21 That's if there still coming?

Still due shortly as far as I know

RobinHood

638

01 Jul 2022, 6:33 am #59

I believe that they are all slightly delayed but due late July through August.

RobinHood

01 Jul 2022, 6:33 am #59

I believe that they are all slightly delayed but due late July through August.

TEN 6083

1,341

02 Aug 2022, 7:17 pm #60

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They’re starting to arrive

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02 Aug 2022, 7:17 pm #60

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They’re starting to arrive

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