Greater Manchester bus fares to be capped under franchise reforms
Greater Manchester bus fares to be capped under franchise reforms
Bus fares across Greater Manchester will be capped at £2 for adults and £1 for children as the network comes back under public control.
The region will be the first area outside London to have a regulated bus system since the 1980s.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ma...OaPiiRQGLQ
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Taxpayers of Greater Manchester must be thrilled...
(14 Mar 2022, 1:33 pm)DeltaMan I wonder what the daily/weekly cap will be
(14 Mar 2022, 1:33 pm)DeltaMan I wonder what the daily/weekly cap will be
(14 Mar 2022, 3:35 pm)busmanT If he follows the "London" model (which he keeps mentioning) the daily cap will be £6 (3 x single trip fare) and the weekly cap will be £28.20 (4.7 x daily cap).If they can announce the £2 fare then they can announce the rest as I'd assume they have worked all this out.
That will be a big fare increase for many passengers if he follows the "London" model.
(14 Mar 2022, 3:35 pm)busmanT If he follows the "London" model (which he keeps mentioning) the daily cap will be £6 (3 x single trip fare) and the weekly cap will be £28.20 (4.7 x daily cap).If they can announce the £2 fare then they can announce the rest as I'd assume they have worked all this out.
That will be a big fare increase for many passengers if he follows the "London" model.
(14 Mar 2022, 5:32 pm)IRHardy Just to put this in context and what the priorities are for Andy Burnham, recently someone went into a Transport for Greater Manchester travel shop for ask for a bus map, but the only maps that were available were cycle maps.
(14 Mar 2022, 5:32 pm)IRHardy Just to put this in context and what the priorities are for Andy Burnham, recently someone went into a Transport for Greater Manchester travel shop for ask for a bus map, but the only maps that were available were cycle maps.
(14 Mar 2022, 5:55 pm)DeltaMan Burnham has pulled a bit of a fast one here. The £2 is reliant on BSIP funding. He knows if he doesn't get a settlement then its a proper dust up with WestminsterSome areas have been told in advance what their BSIP allocations will be. Manchester probably know.
(14 Mar 2022, 5:55 pm)DeltaMan Burnham has pulled a bit of a fast one here. The £2 is reliant on BSIP funding. He knows if he doesn't get a settlement then its a proper dust up with WestminsterSome areas have been told in advance what their BSIP allocations will be. Manchester probably know.
(14 Mar 2022, 8:12 pm)RobinHood Some areas have been told in advance what their BSIP allocations will be. Manchester probably know.
Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
Cheap fares, means less revenue, means local tax payer needs to contribute more. If it generates demand, then more resources needed to move that demand, which in turn will only be viable if a specific level of increased demand is met.
There is headline cheap and then unsustainable cheap, fear this is the latter.
Unfortunately, people see London as the pinnacle of how it should be, yet don't realise how much Central Gov funding is needed (even pre-COVID) to support the operation. Burnham won't have that Central pot to bail him out.
Short term, expect lots of high fives and positive news. After a few years, cutbacks, curtailments etc after the initial funding pool dries up and they need to balance the books.
(14 Mar 2022, 8:12 pm)RobinHood Some areas have been told in advance what their BSIP allocations will be. Manchester probably know.
Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
Cheap fares, means less revenue, means local tax payer needs to contribute more. If it generates demand, then more resources needed to move that demand, which in turn will only be viable if a specific level of increased demand is met.
There is headline cheap and then unsustainable cheap, fear this is the latter.
Unfortunately, people see London as the pinnacle of how it should be, yet don't realise how much Central Gov funding is needed (even pre-COVID) to support the operation. Burnham won't have that Central pot to bail him out.
Short term, expect lots of high fives and positive news. After a few years, cutbacks, curtailments etc after the initial funding pool dries up and they need to balance the books.
(14 Mar 2022, 3:35 pm)busmanT If he follows the "London" model (which he keeps mentioning) the daily cap will be £6 (3 x single trip fare) and the weekly cap will be £28.20 (4.7 x daily cap).
That will be a big fare increase for many passengers if he follows the "London" model.
(14 Mar 2022, 5:55 pm)DeltaMan Burnham has pulled a bit of a fast one here. The £2 is reliant on BSIP funding. He knows if he doesn't get a settlement then its a proper dust up with Westminster
(14 Mar 2022, 8:12 pm)RobinHood Some areas have been told in advance what their BSIP allocations will be. Manchester probably know.
Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
Cheap fares, means less revenue, means local tax payer needs to contribute more. If it generates demand, then more resources needed to move that demand, which in turn will only be viable if a specific level of increased demand is met.
There is headline cheap and then unsustainable cheap, fear this is the latter.
Unfortunately, people see London as the pinnacle of how it should be, yet don't realise how much Central Gov funding is needed (even pre-COVID) to support the operation. Burnham won't have that Central pot to bail him out.
Short term, expect lots of high fives and positive news. After a few years, cutbacks, curtailments etc after the initial funding pool dries up and they need to balance the books.
(14 Mar 2022, 3:35 pm)busmanT If he follows the "London" model (which he keeps mentioning) the daily cap will be £6 (3 x single trip fare) and the weekly cap will be £28.20 (4.7 x daily cap).
That will be a big fare increase for many passengers if he follows the "London" model.
(14 Mar 2022, 5:55 pm)DeltaMan Burnham has pulled a bit of a fast one here. The £2 is reliant on BSIP funding. He knows if he doesn't get a settlement then its a proper dust up with Westminster
(14 Mar 2022, 8:12 pm)RobinHood Some areas have been told in advance what their BSIP allocations will be. Manchester probably know.
Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
Cheap fares, means less revenue, means local tax payer needs to contribute more. If it generates demand, then more resources needed to move that demand, which in turn will only be viable if a specific level of increased demand is met.
There is headline cheap and then unsustainable cheap, fear this is the latter.
Unfortunately, people see London as the pinnacle of how it should be, yet don't realise how much Central Gov funding is needed (even pre-COVID) to support the operation. Burnham won't have that Central pot to bail him out.
Short term, expect lots of high fives and positive news. After a few years, cutbacks, curtailments etc after the initial funding pool dries up and they need to balance the books.