Recent Transfers
Recent Transfers
(27 Sep 2022, 7:44 pm)V514DFT I have to agree, as much as i don't like Arriva (mainly the price of their tickets) their network has remained pretty stable, even before covid was a thing,their services mainly got timing changes, GNE, can they really say they have much of a network left after all the cuts?, i'd also argue they're very much like GNE, always wanting handouts from Nexus
(27 Sep 2022, 7:44 pm)V514DFT I have to agree, as much as i don't like Arriva (mainly the price of their tickets) their network has remained pretty stable, even before covid was a thing,their services mainly got timing changes, GNE, can they really say they have much of a network left after all the cuts?, i'd also argue they're very much like GNE, always wanting handouts from Nexus
(27 Sep 2022, 6:34 pm)peter I do think Arriva deserve some credit for their response to covid. Over at GNE, the network has been chopped to pieces since March 2020. Meanwhile Stagecoach seem to withdraw all of their least profitable routes and hope the local authority steps in (which of course they did in Newcastle, with the Sunderland changes never coming to fruition). I'd say of the three Arriva have been the most consistent, with the network looking largely the same as it did in March 2020.I do agree, however are Arriva turning a profit or are they just taken the financial hit.
A handful of high frequency services had their frequency reduced including the Darlo Town Services, the 7, 8 and 9 at Stockton, the 6 and 64 at Durham and the X10/11 at Blyth to name a few but on the whole the network has been pretty consistent. Admittedly, the X16 was withdrawn (but that was essentially a frequency decrease on the Morpeth corridor) and the X12 reduced to hourly Newcastle to Durham, but you're competing with the train on those flows tbf. The only real casualty has been the 86 from Bishop to Toft Hill and tbh it was only a matter of time before they gave that up to be DCC tendered as with every other local Bishop Auckland service. While they certainly struggle in other areas, fleet presentation for one, they do deserve some props because you can get on the same bus and same route you were getting on before Covid, many GNE passengers can't say the same.
(27 Sep 2022, 6:34 pm)peter I do think Arriva deserve some credit for their response to covid. Over at GNE, the network has been chopped to pieces since March 2020. Meanwhile Stagecoach seem to withdraw all of their least profitable routes and hope the local authority steps in (which of course they did in Newcastle, with the Sunderland changes never coming to fruition). I'd say of the three Arriva have been the most consistent, with the network looking largely the same as it did in March 2020.I do agree, however are Arriva turning a profit or are they just taken the financial hit.
A handful of high frequency services had their frequency reduced including the Darlo Town Services, the 7, 8 and 9 at Stockton, the 6 and 64 at Durham and the X10/11 at Blyth to name a few but on the whole the network has been pretty consistent. Admittedly, the X16 was withdrawn (but that was essentially a frequency decrease on the Morpeth corridor) and the X12 reduced to hourly Newcastle to Durham, but you're competing with the train on those flows tbf. The only real casualty has been the 86 from Bishop to Toft Hill and tbh it was only a matter of time before they gave that up to be DCC tendered as with every other local Bishop Auckland service. While they certainly struggle in other areas, fleet presentation for one, they do deserve some props because you can get on the same bus and same route you were getting on before Covid, many GNE passengers can't say the same.
(27 Sep 2022, 8:20 pm)Unber43 I do agree, however are Arriva turning a profit or are they just taken the financial hit.
However their fleet especially at Durham the state of them is just abysmal.
(27 Sep 2022, 8:20 pm)Unber43 I do agree, however are Arriva turning a profit or are they just taken the financial hit.
However their fleet especially at Durham the state of them is just abysmal.
(27 Sep 2022, 8:28 pm)Thomas12 Yeah, I don't think they perform as well as Arriva Durham County. Not sure if they are loss making or not, though.
(27 Sep 2022, 8:28 pm)Thomas12 Yeah, I don't think they perform as well as Arriva Durham County. Not sure if they are loss making or not, though.
(27 Sep 2022, 8:24 pm)Thomas12 Arriva Durham County are yes. It was also mentioned that passenger numbers are at 100%+ of those pre covid at some of the Arriva Durham County depots.
I suppose this shows how much passengers care about fleet presentation, maybe?
(27 Sep 2022, 8:24 pm)Thomas12 Arriva Durham County are yes. It was also mentioned that passenger numbers are at 100%+ of those pre covid at some of the Arriva Durham County depots.
I suppose this shows how much passengers care about fleet presentation, maybe?
(27 Sep 2022, 8:39 pm)Storx It's always hard to tell I think as there's some very very strong routes in Durham County especially the Stockton routes and 63 at Redcar. Not to mention the 1, 6 and 7, X26, X27 and Darlington Town Services being good little earners.57/57A when I saw them earlier were standing tho that was in Peak.
Is everything making a money or are these just covering the likes of the 5, 5A, 8 (All Darlington), 28, 29, 49/49A, 56 (Durham), 57/57A (Durham), 81 (Redcar) which always come across as very weak routes.
It's the same at Arriva Northumbria but the opposite way, Jesmond seems to be the problem depot lately and they've got a lot of the work. The 46, 46A, 51/51A, 52, 53, 54, 55 are all a bit iffy and they don't really have anything to drag them out. The 306/308 is still overserved, the 43/44/45 all seem to be really struggling. What's left there, not much really. It's not really a surprise they're trying to spread it out between Blyth and Ashington which no doubt do alright.
Stagecoach are by the far the worst for it though as the likes of the 38, 39, 40, 62, 63 anyone could run and they no doubt hide how bad other areas are ie. South Shields.
(27 Sep 2022, 8:39 pm)Storx It's always hard to tell I think as there's some very very strong routes in Durham County especially the Stockton routes and 63 at Redcar. Not to mention the 1, 6 and 7, X26, X27 and Darlington Town Services being good little earners.57/57A when I saw them earlier were standing tho that was in Peak.
Is everything making a money or are these just covering the likes of the 5, 5A, 8 (All Darlington), 28, 29, 49/49A, 56 (Durham), 57/57A (Durham), 81 (Redcar) which always come across as very weak routes.
It's the same at Arriva Northumbria but the opposite way, Jesmond seems to be the problem depot lately and they've got a lot of the work. The 46, 46A, 51/51A, 52, 53, 54, 55 are all a bit iffy and they don't really have anything to drag them out. The 306/308 is still overserved, the 43/44/45 all seem to be really struggling. What's left there, not much really. It's not really a surprise they're trying to spread it out between Blyth and Ashington which no doubt do alright.
Stagecoach are by the far the worst for it though as the likes of the 38, 39, 40, 62, 63 anyone could run and they no doubt hide how bad other areas are ie. South Shields.
(27 Sep 2022, 8:39 pm)Storx It's the same at Arriva Northumbria but the opposite way, Jesmond seems to be the problem depot lately and they've got a lot of the work. The 46, 46A, 51/51A, 52, 53, 54, 55 are all a bit iffy and they don't really have anything to drag them out. The 306/308 is still overserved, the 43/44/45 all seem to be really struggling. What's left there, not much really. It's not really a surprise they're trying to spread it out between Blyth and Ashington which no doubt do alright.306 & 308 given the move to Blyth, would be best dropped to every 20 minutes (every 10 on common sections) with the 306 kept on the Coast Road out of Battle Hill and both the 306/308 interworking.
(27 Sep 2022, 8:39 pm)Storx It's the same at Arriva Northumbria but the opposite way, Jesmond seems to be the problem depot lately and they've got a lot of the work. The 46, 46A, 51/51A, 52, 53, 54, 55 are all a bit iffy and they don't really have anything to drag them out. The 306/308 is still overserved, the 43/44/45 all seem to be really struggling. What's left there, not much really. It's not really a surprise they're trying to spread it out between Blyth and Ashington which no doubt do alright.306 & 308 given the move to Blyth, would be best dropped to every 20 minutes (every 10 on common sections) with the 306 kept on the Coast Road out of Battle Hill and both the 306/308 interworking.
(01 Oct 2022, 7:11 am)L469 YVK 306 & 308 given the move to Blyth, would be best dropped to every 20 minutes (every 10 on common sections) with the 306 kept on the Coast Road out of Battle Hill and both the 306/308 interworking.
That and some sort of coordinated timimg with GNE's 1 between North Shields and Whitley Bay with a 20 minute frequency on the 306 would work well.
(01 Oct 2022, 7:11 am)L469 YVK 306 & 308 given the move to Blyth, would be best dropped to every 20 minutes (every 10 on common sections) with the 306 kept on the Coast Road out of Battle Hill and both the 306/308 interworking.
That and some sort of coordinated timimg with GNE's 1 between North Shields and Whitley Bay with a 20 minute frequency on the 306 would work well.
