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Rob44



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10 Aug 2022, 1:48 pm #21
(10 Aug 2022, 12:39 pm)Storx Can't comment on what's replacing them but I'd imagine they'll be withdrawn altogether. 

If they're not affordable to be redone here then they won't be affordable in Liverpool either. It probably doesn't help that the price of gas has absolutely sky rocketed in the past year or so because of the Ukraine war which will make them expensive to run.

More expensive than diesel buses though? I thought that was the whole point of them as the fuel was %50 cheaper to buy than the norm?  Will the voltra's be withdrawn next due to electricity going up 100%?
Rob44
10 Aug 2022, 1:48 pm #21

(10 Aug 2022, 12:39 pm)Storx Can't comment on what's replacing them but I'd imagine they'll be withdrawn altogether. 

If they're not affordable to be redone here then they won't be affordable in Liverpool either. It probably doesn't help that the price of gas has absolutely sky rocketed in the past year or so because of the Ukraine war which will make them expensive to run.

More expensive than diesel buses though? I thought that was the whole point of them as the fuel was %50 cheaper to buy than the norm?  Will the voltra's be withdrawn next due to electricity going up 100%?

Storx



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10 Aug 2022, 2:01 pm #22
(10 Aug 2022, 1:48 pm)Rob44 More expensive than diesel buses though? I thought that was the whole point of them as the fuel was %50 cheaper to buy than the norm?  Will the voltra's be withdrawn next due to electricity going up 100%?

Honestly couldn't answer but gas prices are currently 4x what they were 3 year ago and it could get worse since Putin is using it as a war tool since countries like Germany rely on it . Not sure on biomethane but when one goes up the other tends to follow as it's an alternative. 

Petrol has only gone up 1.75x in comparison so the pricing won't be too different now if it was only 50% reduction. 

If the cost of upgrading the gas stuff is substantial it might not be worth it when that arguably could be put towards new buses which have similar pricing (or replace it with other stuff).
Storx
10 Aug 2022, 2:01 pm #22

(10 Aug 2022, 1:48 pm)Rob44 More expensive than diesel buses though? I thought that was the whole point of them as the fuel was %50 cheaper to buy than the norm?  Will the voltra's be withdrawn next due to electricity going up 100%?

Honestly couldn't answer but gas prices are currently 4x what they were 3 year ago and it could get worse since Putin is using it as a war tool since countries like Germany rely on it . Not sure on biomethane but when one goes up the other tends to follow as it's an alternative. 

Petrol has only gone up 1.75x in comparison so the pricing won't be too different now if it was only 50% reduction. 

If the cost of upgrading the gas stuff is substantial it might not be worth it when that arguably could be put towards new buses which have similar pricing (or replace it with other stuff).

10 Aug 2022, 2:48 pm #23
LPG is still cheaper at the pumps than diesel.
omnicity4659
10 Aug 2022, 2:48 pm #23

LPG is still cheaper at the pumps than diesel.

27 Sep 2022, 9:31 am #24
Darlington’s 1476 has now been refurbished and repainted into Journey Mark livery
Stuartphin1639
27 Sep 2022, 9:31 am #24

Darlington’s 1476 has now been refurbished and repainted into Journey Mark livery

Ryland



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02 Oct 2022, 9:33 am #25
Im guessing by bus tracker 1568/9 are the first to get the repaints
Ryland
02 Oct 2022, 9:33 am #25

Im guessing by bus tracker 1568/9 are the first to get the repaints

cbma06



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02 Oct 2022, 10:58 am #26
Has anymore buses been repainted at Durham depot lately, just gone quiet for awhile, and is it just pulsars that are getting painted first at Durham?


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cbma06
02 Oct 2022, 10:58 am #26

Has anymore buses been repainted at Durham depot lately, just gone quiet for awhile, and is it just pulsars that are getting painted first at Durham?


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Jimmi



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02 Oct 2022, 7:58 pm #27
(02 Oct 2022, 10:58 am)cbma06 Has anymore buses been repainted at Durham depot lately, just gone quiet for awhile, and is it just pulsars that are getting painted first at Durham?


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Think they're still on with getting the Sapphire Pulsar's at Durham done up atm, hard to tell with Belmont at times with how much the ticket machines get swapped around leading to incorrect tracking
Jimmi
02 Oct 2022, 7:58 pm #27

(02 Oct 2022, 10:58 am)cbma06 Has anymore buses been repainted at Durham depot lately, just gone quiet for awhile, and is it just pulsars that are getting painted first at Durham?


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Think they're still on with getting the Sapphire Pulsar's at Durham done up atm, hard to tell with Belmont at times with how much the ticket machines get swapped around leading to incorrect tracking

Ryland



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11 Oct 2022, 12:54 pm #28
Is 1440 also going to be refurbed
Ryland
11 Oct 2022, 12:54 pm #28

Is 1440 also going to be refurbed

ne14ne1



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08 Nov 2022, 8:36 pm #29
This looks fresh, but surely they haven’t repainted into the defunct Sapphire livery?

https://flic.kr/p/2nY6F2c
ne14ne1
08 Nov 2022, 8:36 pm #29

This looks fresh, but surely they haven’t repainted into the defunct Sapphire livery?

https://flic.kr/p/2nY6F2c

mb134



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08 Nov 2022, 9:37 pm #30
(08 Nov 2022, 8:36 pm)ne14ne1 This looks fresh, but surely they haven’t repainted into the defunct Sapphire livery?

https://flic.kr/p/2nY6F2c

It was wrapped for the Jubilee. When the wrap was removed Darlington resprayed the base of what it was in beforehand, assume the wrap may have left the paintwork in a bit of a state and a depot repaint into it's original base livery was deemed okay as a short term fix?
mb134
08 Nov 2022, 9:37 pm #30

(08 Nov 2022, 8:36 pm)ne14ne1 This looks fresh, but surely they haven’t repainted into the defunct Sapphire livery?

https://flic.kr/p/2nY6F2c

It was wrapped for the Jubilee. When the wrap was removed Darlington resprayed the base of what it was in beforehand, assume the wrap may have left the paintwork in a bit of a state and a depot repaint into it's original base livery was deemed okay as a short term fix?

F114TML



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08 Nov 2022, 10:37 pm #31
(08 Nov 2022, 9:37 pm)mb134 It was wrapped for the Jubilee. When the wrap was removed Darlington resprayed the base of what it was in beforehand, assume the wrap may have left the paintwork in a bit of a state and a depot repaint into it's original base livery was deemed okay as a short term fix?
In that case, seems odd they didn't just paint it plain turquoise for the standard livery.
F114TML
08 Nov 2022, 10:37 pm #31

(08 Nov 2022, 9:37 pm)mb134 It was wrapped for the Jubilee. When the wrap was removed Darlington resprayed the base of what it was in beforehand, assume the wrap may have left the paintwork in a bit of a state and a depot repaint into it's original base livery was deemed okay as a short term fix?
In that case, seems odd they didn't just paint it plain turquoise for the standard livery.

Kuyoyo



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13 Nov 2022, 12:16 pm #32
7401 is Durham County's poppy bus this year

[Image: 52496469404_26336afcd1_b.jpg]Arriva North East 7401 (NK64 FSF) by Tony Kuy, on Flickr
Kuyoyo
13 Nov 2022, 12:16 pm #32

7401 is Durham County's poppy bus this year

[Image: 52496469404_26336afcd1_b.jpg]Arriva North East 7401 (NK64 FSF) by Tony Kuy, on Flickr

18 Jan 2023, 6:47 pm #33
Does anyone know if the repaints of Durham's pulsars has stopped? Just been looking on Bus Times and cant seem to see any that are off the road that haven't already been repainted
Dans_bus_photos
18 Jan 2023, 6:47 pm #33

Does anyone know if the repaints of Durham's pulsars has stopped? Just been looking on Bus Times and cant seem to see any that are off the road that haven't already been repainted

19 Jan 2023, 11:09 am #34
(08 Nov 2022, 10:37 pm)F114TML In that case, seems odd they didn't just paint it plain turquoise for the standard livery.

It was a in house Darlington depot job. Know the engineer/handyman that spent three nights painting it, was supposed to be all over turquoise, but ran out of paint, rather than waiting for the paint to arrive they just repainted it into this livery for the time being, will be getting a full respray once they’ve finished on the majority of Darlingtons fleet
Stuartphin1639
19 Jan 2023, 11:09 am #34

(08 Nov 2022, 10:37 pm)F114TML In that case, seems odd they didn't just paint it plain turquoise for the standard livery.

It was a in house Darlington depot job. Know the engineer/handyman that spent three nights painting it, was supposed to be all over turquoise, but ran out of paint, rather than waiting for the paint to arrive they just repainted it into this livery for the time being, will be getting a full respray once they’ve finished on the majority of Darlingtons fleet

Jimmi



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03 Feb 2023, 10:08 pm #35
Mr French & everyone's favourite consultant of Desire are not impressed with Arriva spreading Christmas cheer... in February?! https://twitter.com/creatingdesire/statu...xVdgg&s=19

French also still isn't impressed with the allocations around Newcastle: https://twitter.com/BusAndTrainUser/stat...AkpKw&s=19
Jimmi
03 Feb 2023, 10:08 pm #35

Mr French & everyone's favourite consultant of Desire are not impressed with Arriva spreading Christmas cheer... in February?! https://twitter.com/creatingdesire/statu...xVdgg&s=19

French also still isn't impressed with the allocations around Newcastle: https://twitter.com/BusAndTrainUser/stat...AkpKw&s=19

mb134



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03 Feb 2023, 10:59 pm #36
(03 Feb 2023, 10:08 pm)Jimmi Mr French & everyone's favourite consultant of Desire are not impressed with Arriva spreading Christmas cheer... in February?! https://twitter.com/creatingdesire/statu...xVdgg&s=19

French also still isn't impressed with the allocations around Newcastle: https://twitter.com/BusAndTrainUser/stat...AkpKw&s=19

Notice French hasn't mentioned any of the rogue GNE allocations on his past few trips to the NE. The 6 today had a Durham Diamond and a couple of X-Lines vehicles if bustimes is to be believed. Not to mention the Quaycity Versas on everything but the Q3 for 5 months now, and the green X45/46 Streetdecks on the 'wrong' routes daily. Obviously the reasoning for this is that branding is not a priority now, similar to ANE - yet only one company gets slated on social media...

As for 7552, I imagine it's more likely due to a high VOR rate at Ashington. 7530/1 are off for refurb with nothing to cover, 7555 is still away with fire damage with a saloon covering, and 7524-6 are now gone (and will also be replaced with saloons). Even if they cover, pits are taken up with Blyth vehicles as their maintenance is also being done at Ashington while the depot works are completed. You're not going to lose service/stop routine maintenance so that some stickers can be taken off - that nobody bar spotters actually care about. Mr. Desire's decency seems to be on a similar level to some of his recent livery designs - would imagine his social media behaviour isn't the most appealing to potential clients.
mb134
03 Feb 2023, 10:59 pm #36

(03 Feb 2023, 10:08 pm)Jimmi Mr French & everyone's favourite consultant of Desire are not impressed with Arriva spreading Christmas cheer... in February?! https://twitter.com/creatingdesire/statu...xVdgg&s=19

French also still isn't impressed with the allocations around Newcastle: https://twitter.com/BusAndTrainUser/stat...AkpKw&s=19

Notice French hasn't mentioned any of the rogue GNE allocations on his past few trips to the NE. The 6 today had a Durham Diamond and a couple of X-Lines vehicles if bustimes is to be believed. Not to mention the Quaycity Versas on everything but the Q3 for 5 months now, and the green X45/46 Streetdecks on the 'wrong' routes daily. Obviously the reasoning for this is that branding is not a priority now, similar to ANE - yet only one company gets slated on social media...

As for 7552, I imagine it's more likely due to a high VOR rate at Ashington. 7530/1 are off for refurb with nothing to cover, 7555 is still away with fire damage with a saloon covering, and 7524-6 are now gone (and will also be replaced with saloons). Even if they cover, pits are taken up with Blyth vehicles as their maintenance is also being done at Ashington while the depot works are completed. You're not going to lose service/stop routine maintenance so that some stickers can be taken off - that nobody bar spotters actually care about. Mr. Desire's decency seems to be on a similar level to some of his recent livery designs - would imagine his social media behaviour isn't the most appealing to potential clients.

F114TML



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03 Feb 2023, 11:37 pm #37
(03 Feb 2023, 10:08 pm)Jimmi Mr French & everyone's favourite consultant of Desire are not impressed with Arriva spreading Christmas cheer... in February?! https://twitter.com/creatingdesire/statu...xVdgg&s=19

French also still isn't impressed with the allocations around Newcastle: https://twitter.com/BusAndTrainUser/stat...AkpKw&s=19
Who's gonna tell him GNE's Santa Bus has been in that livery for years? Seen it a couple times being driven by engineers at not christmas time.
F114TML
03 Feb 2023, 11:37 pm #37

(03 Feb 2023, 10:08 pm)Jimmi Mr French & everyone's favourite consultant of Desire are not impressed with Arriva spreading Christmas cheer... in February?! https://twitter.com/creatingdesire/statu...xVdgg&s=19

French also still isn't impressed with the allocations around Newcastle: https://twitter.com/BusAndTrainUser/stat...AkpKw&s=19
Who's gonna tell him GNE's Santa Bus has been in that livery for years? Seen it a couple times being driven by engineers at not christmas time.

busmanT



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04 Feb 2023, 11:17 am #38
(03 Feb 2023, 10:59 pm)mb134 Notice French hasn't mentioned any of the rogue GNE allocations on his past few trips to the NE. The 6 today had a Durham Diamond and a couple of X-Lines vehicles if bustimes is to be believed. Not to mention the Quaycity Versas on everything but the Q3 for 5 months now, and the green X45/46 Streetdecks on the 'wrong' routes daily. Obviously the reasoning for this is that branding is not a priority now, similar to ANE - yet only one company gets slated on social media...

As for 7552, I imagine it's more likely due to a high VOR rate at Ashington. 7530/1 are off for refurb with nothing to cover, 7555 is still away with fire damage with a saloon covering, and 7524-6 are now gone (and will also be replaced with saloons). Even if they cover, pits are taken up with Blyth vehicles as their maintenance is also being done at Ashington while the depot works are completed. You're not going to lose service/stop routine maintenance so that some stickers can be taken off - that nobody bar spotters actually care about. Mr. Desire's decency seems to be on a similar level to some of his recent livery designs - would imagine his social media behaviour isn't the most appealing to potential clients.
Don't always believe bustimes.org!

The ex Quaycity Versa are clearly spare buses, as are the green X45 StreetDecks - GNE have made no secret of this. It's not possible to repaint them all immediately, and probably not wise to do so given that passenger numbers are still recovering for the COVID lockdowns and further service changes might be needed.
busmanT
04 Feb 2023, 11:17 am #38

(03 Feb 2023, 10:59 pm)mb134 Notice French hasn't mentioned any of the rogue GNE allocations on his past few trips to the NE. The 6 today had a Durham Diamond and a couple of X-Lines vehicles if bustimes is to be believed. Not to mention the Quaycity Versas on everything but the Q3 for 5 months now, and the green X45/46 Streetdecks on the 'wrong' routes daily. Obviously the reasoning for this is that branding is not a priority now, similar to ANE - yet only one company gets slated on social media...

As for 7552, I imagine it's more likely due to a high VOR rate at Ashington. 7530/1 are off for refurb with nothing to cover, 7555 is still away with fire damage with a saloon covering, and 7524-6 are now gone (and will also be replaced with saloons). Even if they cover, pits are taken up with Blyth vehicles as their maintenance is also being done at Ashington while the depot works are completed. You're not going to lose service/stop routine maintenance so that some stickers can be taken off - that nobody bar spotters actually care about. Mr. Desire's decency seems to be on a similar level to some of his recent livery designs - would imagine his social media behaviour isn't the most appealing to potential clients.
Don't always believe bustimes.org!

The ex Quaycity Versa are clearly spare buses, as are the green X45 StreetDecks - GNE have made no secret of this. It's not possible to repaint them all immediately, and probably not wise to do so given that passenger numbers are still recovering for the COVID lockdowns and further service changes might be needed.

mb134



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04 Feb 2023, 11:57 am #39
(04 Feb 2023, 11:17 am)busmanT Don't always believe bustimes.org!

The ex Quaycity Versa are clearly spare buses, as are the green X45 StreetDecks - GNE have made no secret of this. It's not possible to repaint them all immediately, and probably not wise to do so given that passenger numbers are still recovering for the COVID lockdowns and further service changes might be needed.
If it was one vehicle, yes, however the chances of all 3 being wrong are slim. 

If you'd bothered to read my full post, I added "Obviously the reasoning for this is that branding is not a priority now". At present though there's absolutely no difference to an ordinary passenger between the GNE route branded vehicles being used on other routes, and the 308 branded DB300s being on the wrong route. If anything, an ordinary passenger will probably pay zero attention to the 308 sticker on the side of a bus in comparison to a completely different coloured bus rocking up.
mb134
04 Feb 2023, 11:57 am #39

(04 Feb 2023, 11:17 am)busmanT Don't always believe bustimes.org!

The ex Quaycity Versa are clearly spare buses, as are the green X45 StreetDecks - GNE have made no secret of this. It's not possible to repaint them all immediately, and probably not wise to do so given that passenger numbers are still recovering for the COVID lockdowns and further service changes might be needed.
If it was one vehicle, yes, however the chances of all 3 being wrong are slim. 

If you'd bothered to read my full post, I added "Obviously the reasoning for this is that branding is not a priority now". At present though there's absolutely no difference to an ordinary passenger between the GNE route branded vehicles being used on other routes, and the 308 branded DB300s being on the wrong route. If anything, an ordinary passenger will probably pay zero attention to the 308 sticker on the side of a bus in comparison to a completely different coloured bus rocking up.

04 Feb 2023, 8:24 pm #40
(03 Feb 2023, 10:59 pm)mb134 Notice French hasn't mentioned any of the rogue GNE allocations on his past few trips to the NE. The 6 today had a Durham Diamond and a couple of X-Lines vehicles if bustimes is to be believed. Not to mention the Quaycity Versas on everything but the Q3 for 5 months now, and the green X45/46 Streetdecks on the 'wrong' routes daily. Obviously the reasoning for this is that branding is not a priority now, similar to ANE - yet only one company gets slated on social media...

As for 7552, I imagine it's more likely due to a high VOR rate at Ashington. 7530/1 are off for refurb with nothing to cover, 7555 is still away with fire damage with a saloon covering, and 7524-6 are now gone (and will also be replaced with saloons). Even if they cover, pits are taken up with Blyth vehicles as their maintenance is also being done at Ashington while the depot works are completed. You're not going to lose service/stop routine maintenance so that some stickers can be taken off - that nobody bar spotters actually care about. Mr. Desire's decency seems to be on a similar level to some of his recent livery designs - would imagine his social media behaviour isn't the most appealing to potential clients.
Didn't know the X18 E400s were getting a refurb, when 7530/31 back will 7529/32/33 or atleast 2 of them be off for refurb
EastCoastMXZ1751
04 Feb 2023, 8:24 pm #40

(03 Feb 2023, 10:59 pm)mb134 Notice French hasn't mentioned any of the rogue GNE allocations on his past few trips to the NE. The 6 today had a Durham Diamond and a couple of X-Lines vehicles if bustimes is to be believed. Not to mention the Quaycity Versas on everything but the Q3 for 5 months now, and the green X45/46 Streetdecks on the 'wrong' routes daily. Obviously the reasoning for this is that branding is not a priority now, similar to ANE - yet only one company gets slated on social media...

As for 7552, I imagine it's more likely due to a high VOR rate at Ashington. 7530/1 are off for refurb with nothing to cover, 7555 is still away with fire damage with a saloon covering, and 7524-6 are now gone (and will also be replaced with saloons). Even if they cover, pits are taken up with Blyth vehicles as their maintenance is also being done at Ashington while the depot works are completed. You're not going to lose service/stop routine maintenance so that some stickers can be taken off - that nobody bar spotters actually care about. Mr. Desire's decency seems to be on a similar level to some of his recent livery designs - would imagine his social media behaviour isn't the most appealing to potential clients.
Didn't know the X18 E400s were getting a refurb, when 7530/31 back will 7529/32/33 or atleast 2 of them be off for refurb

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