Stagecoach North East: Service Suggestions
Stagecoach North East: Service Suggestions
New service X36 Hartlepool Interchange- Middlesbrough via North Tees Hospital
service 36 reduced to half hourly with new service X36 combining to keep 15 minute service Between Hartlepool and Middlesbrough.
X36 Hartlepool Interchange then 36 route to Billingham Town Centre A19 Norton North Tees Hospital direct to Middlesbrough. All 36 journeys to terminate at Hartlepool Interchange via original route of York Road and Victoria Road.
Service X1 High Tunstall - James Cook Hospital via Seaton Cares.
Hartlepool service 1 back to Hourly towards Middlesbrough with new service X1 combining to keep 30 minutes service to Middlesbrough.
X1 Current service 1 route between High Tunstall and Hartlepool Town Centre then Park Road, Huckelovan Way, Mainsforth Terrace, Coronation Drive, Warrior Park, Station Lane, Seaton Carew Bus Station, Tees Road then current service 1 route to Middlesbrough bus station then limited stop to James Cook hospital via Linthorpe
Service 1 rerouted via Current route but no longer serving Warrior Park operating via Elizabeth Way to Bus Station then current route to Middlesbrough.
Hartlepool Town services
Service 2 Throston Grange - Seaton Carew
Via University Hospital, Raby Road Town Centre Brenda Road, Teesbay Retail Park, Seaton Lane and Warrior Park.
Service 5 Clavering - South Fens Via Service 6 route to Mill House then Raby Road, Victoria Road, York Road, Stockton Road, Oxford Road, Caledonian Road, Westbrook Avenue, Tynebrook Avenue, Catcote Road.
Service 7 Will operate via Interchange to connect with rail services every 30 minutes.
Teesside
Stockton Services
New Service 53 Low Grange - Billingham - Billingham Green - Norton - Stockton - Portrack Lane. Will link with service 52 at Low Grange and no longer link with 58. Both service 52 and 53 Will run every 20 minutes Service 52 will extend to Teesside Park.
Middlesbrough services
New Service 3 Middlesbrough - Eston via Middleheaven
Service 4 Middleheaven - Thornaby via Middlesbrough
Service 39. Extended to Teesside Park.
(18 Apr 2020, 5:29 pm)col87 New service X36 Hartlepool Interchange- Middlesbrough via North Tees HospitalThere should be evening services in the Throston and High Tunstall areas. The 1, 3, 3A finish around 6pm which is far too early.
service 36 reduced to half hourly with new service X36 combining to keep 15 minute service Between Hartlepool and Middlesbrough.
X36 Hartlepool Interchange then 36 route to Billingham Town Centre A19 Norton North Tees Hospital direct to Middlesbrough. All 36 journeys to terminate at Hartlepool Interchange via original route of York Road and Victoria Road.
Service X1 High Tunstall - James Cook Hospital via Seaton Cares.
Hartlepool service 1 back to Hourly towards Middlesbrough with new service X1 combining to keep 30 minutes service to Middlesbrough.
X1 Current service 1 route between High Tunstall and Hartlepool Town Centre then Park Road, Huckelovan Way, Mainsforth Terrace, Coronation Drive, Warrior Park, Station Lane, Seaton Carew Bus Station, Tees Road then current service 1 route to Middlesbrough bus station then limited stop to James Cook hospital via Linthorpe
Service 1 rerouted via Current route but no longer serving Warrior Park operating via Elizabeth Way to Bus Station then current route to Middlesbrough.
Hartlepool Town services
Service 2 Throston Grange - Seaton Carew
Via University Hospital, Raby Road Town Centre Brenda Road, Teesbay Retail Park, Seaton Lane and Warrior Park.
Service 5 Clavering - South Fens Via Service 6 route to Mill House then Raby Road, Victoria Road, York Road, Stockton Road, Oxford Road, Caledonian Road, Westbrook Avenue, Tynebrook Avenue, Catcote Road.
Service 7 Will operate via Interchange to connect with rail services every 30 minutes.
Teesside
Stockton Services
New Service 53 Low Grange - Billingham - Billingham Green - Norton - Stockton - Portrack Lane. Will link with service 52 at Low Grange and no longer link with 58. Both service 52 and 53 Will run every 20 minutes Service 52 will extend to Teesside Park.
Middlesbrough services
New Service 3 Middlesbrough - Eston via Middleheaven
Service 4 Middleheaven - Thornaby via Middlesbrough
Service 39. Extended to Teesside Park.
(18 Apr 2020, 5:29 pm)col87 New service X36 Hartlepool Interchange- Middlesbrough via North Tees HospitalThere should be evening services in the Throston and High Tunstall areas. The 1, 3, 3A finish around 6pm which is far too early.
service 36 reduced to half hourly with new service X36 combining to keep 15 minute service Between Hartlepool and Middlesbrough.
X36 Hartlepool Interchange then 36 route to Billingham Town Centre A19 Norton North Tees Hospital direct to Middlesbrough. All 36 journeys to terminate at Hartlepool Interchange via original route of York Road and Victoria Road.
Service X1 High Tunstall - James Cook Hospital via Seaton Cares.
Hartlepool service 1 back to Hourly towards Middlesbrough with new service X1 combining to keep 30 minutes service to Middlesbrough.
X1 Current service 1 route between High Tunstall and Hartlepool Town Centre then Park Road, Huckelovan Way, Mainsforth Terrace, Coronation Drive, Warrior Park, Station Lane, Seaton Carew Bus Station, Tees Road then current service 1 route to Middlesbrough bus station then limited stop to James Cook hospital via Linthorpe
Service 1 rerouted via Current route but no longer serving Warrior Park operating via Elizabeth Way to Bus Station then current route to Middlesbrough.
Hartlepool Town services
Service 2 Throston Grange - Seaton Carew
Via University Hospital, Raby Road Town Centre Brenda Road, Teesbay Retail Park, Seaton Lane and Warrior Park.
Service 5 Clavering - South Fens Via Service 6 route to Mill House then Raby Road, Victoria Road, York Road, Stockton Road, Oxford Road, Caledonian Road, Westbrook Avenue, Tynebrook Avenue, Catcote Road.
Service 7 Will operate via Interchange to connect with rail services every 30 minutes.
Teesside
Stockton Services
New Service 53 Low Grange - Billingham - Billingham Green - Norton - Stockton - Portrack Lane. Will link with service 52 at Low Grange and no longer link with 58. Both service 52 and 53 Will run every 20 minutes Service 52 will extend to Teesside Park.
Middlesbrough services
New Service 3 Middlesbrough - Eston via Middleheaven
Service 4 Middleheaven - Thornaby via Middlesbrough
Service 39. Extended to Teesside Park.
Another idea I am surprised stagecoach or any other operator has tried is an open Top service Between the Marina and Seaton Carew.
101 Seaton Carew Bus Station - Navigation Point. Via Seaton SeaFront and Church Street.
102. Seaton Carew Bus Station - National Musuem of the Royal Navy.
103 Seaton Carew Bus Station - Headland via Marina and Navigation Point
PVR 4. Weekends and School Holidays only ( weather Permitting).
I think it would be worth a try.
(04 May 2020, 4:11 pm)gwarnes87 I would like to see south shields 30 extended to Newcastle.
(18 Apr 2020, 9:51 pm)col87 Another idea I am surprised stagecoach or any other operator has tried is an open Top service Between the Marina and Seaton Carew.
101 Seaton Carew Bus Station - Navigation Point. Via Seaton SeaFront and Church Street.
102. Seaton Carew Bus Station - National Musuem of the Royal Navy.
103 Seaton Carew Bus Station - Headland via Marina and Navigation Point
PVR 4. Weekends and School Holidays only ( weather Permitting).
I think it would be worth a try.
(04 May 2020, 4:11 pm)gwarnes87 I would like to see south shields 30 extended to Newcastle.
(18 Apr 2020, 9:51 pm)col87 Another idea I am surprised stagecoach or any other operator has tried is an open Top service Between the Marina and Seaton Carew.
101 Seaton Carew Bus Station - Navigation Point. Via Seaton SeaFront and Church Street.
102. Seaton Carew Bus Station - National Musuem of the Royal Navy.
103 Seaton Carew Bus Station - Headland via Marina and Navigation Point
PVR 4. Weekends and School Holidays only ( weather Permitting).
I think it would be worth a try.
(04 May 2020, 4:53 pm)cbma06 Can’t see that happening due to the cost with no demand, Hartlepool is not Scarborough
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(04 May 2020, 4:53 pm)cbma06 Can’t see that happening due to the cost with no demand, Hartlepool is not Scarborough
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(04 May 2020, 8:16 pm)James101 The council ran their own service connecting all these points a few summers back using their in-house fleet. I heard it was popular but there was controversy over how many were genuine users and how many were just using it as a free bus since most of the attractions are handy stops for the town centre and marina shops anyway.There is definitely merit in linking a number of attractions up but the idea I have is spread over a wider area, linking much of Teesside estates direct to the seaside where direct links don't currently exist. It would only really be viable in high summer though, perhaps something for school buses to do.
Not sure how big the council fleet is now but they had a few Optare Solos and E300s at one point, could have been a useful asset to the town filling in the gaps left by the commercial network if current legislation hadn’t prevented them doing so.
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(04 May 2020, 8:16 pm)James101 The council ran their own service connecting all these points a few summers back using their in-house fleet. I heard it was popular but there was controversy over how many were genuine users and how many were just using it as a free bus since most of the attractions are handy stops for the town centre and marina shops anyway.There is definitely merit in linking a number of attractions up but the idea I have is spread over a wider area, linking much of Teesside estates direct to the seaside where direct links don't currently exist. It would only really be viable in high summer though, perhaps something for school buses to do.
Not sure how big the council fleet is now but they had a few Optare Solos and E300s at one point, could have been a useful asset to the town filling in the gaps left by the commercial network if current legislation hadn’t prevented them doing so.
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(04 May 2020, 8:39 pm)tyresmoke There is definitely merit in linking a number of attractions up but the idea I have is spread over a wider area, linking much of Teesside estates direct to the seaside where direct links don't currently exist. It would only really be viable in high summer though, perhaps something for school buses to do.
(04 May 2020, 8:39 pm)tyresmoke There is definitely merit in linking a number of attractions up but the idea I have is spread over a wider area, linking much of Teesside estates direct to the seaside where direct links don't currently exist. It would only really be viable in high summer though, perhaps something for school buses to do.
(04 May 2020, 8:51 pm)James101 There’s a lot of car-less families on Teesside that would value a cheap day out. Mind £1.50 family day saver might be a bit optimistic!Absolutely, there's plenty of families who don't have access to a car who are not able to catch the train to the likes of Seaton Carew or Saltburn... just needs someone with some idea of how to make it work. £1.50 day ticket sounds ideal back when the councils had money to throw at buses!
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/7...st-ticket/
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(04 May 2020, 8:51 pm)James101 There’s a lot of car-less families on Teesside that would value a cheap day out. Mind £1.50 family day saver might be a bit optimistic!Absolutely, there's plenty of families who don't have access to a car who are not able to catch the train to the likes of Seaton Carew or Saltburn... just needs someone with some idea of how to make it work. £1.50 day ticket sounds ideal back when the councils had money to throw at buses!
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/7...st-ticket/
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(04 May 2020, 9:23 pm)tyresmoke Absolutely, there's plenty of families who don't have access to a car who are not able to catch the train to the likes of Seaton Carew or Saltburn... just needs someone with some idea of how to make it work. £1.50 day ticket sounds ideal back when the councils had money to throw at buses!Or money to throw at anything for that matter
(04 May 2020, 9:23 pm)tyresmoke Absolutely, there's plenty of families who don't have access to a car who are not able to catch the train to the likes of Seaton Carew or Saltburn... just needs someone with some idea of how to make it work. £1.50 day ticket sounds ideal back when the councils had money to throw at buses!Or money to throw at anything for that matter
(04 May 2020, 9:23 pm)tyresmoke Absolutely, there's plenty of families who don't have access to a car who are not able to catch the train to the likes of Seaton Carew or Saltburn... just needs someone with some idea of how to make it work. £1.50 day ticket sounds ideal back when the councils had money to throw at buses!
(04 May 2020, 9:23 pm)tyresmoke Absolutely, there's plenty of families who don't have access to a car who are not able to catch the train to the likes of Seaton Carew or Saltburn... just needs someone with some idea of how to make it work. £1.50 day ticket sounds ideal back when the councils had money to throw at buses!
Following on from the discussion of a service from Hartlepool and Billingham to North Tees I've thought about re-working the Stockon - Norton corridor. Crucially I've tried to rework current PVRs rather than adding in extra resources which is unlikely to happen:
6 (Hartlepool)
Route to operate Owton Manor to Marina only. Operates every 15 minutes to provided a 7/8 minute frequency with revised 36/37 below. Service 7 becomes standalone.
36
Reduced to every 30 minutes throughout. Re routed 37 maintains current frequency on key corridors. 36 & 37 both extend from Hartlepool Town Centre to Clavering along current 6 route so northern parts of the town benefit from extended services.
37
Rerouted from Stockton. Along Durham Rd to North Tees, resumes current route through to Norton. Continues to Hartlepool along 36 route. Passengers in Roseworth now catch bus on the other side of the road to head to Stockton & Boro but all links and frequencies are maintained in this area.
The map shows how key corridors have frequencies maintained:
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I think the main provlem with that is you’d end up with the 36 and new 37 on top of each other from Norton through to Hartlepool as it wouldn’t lose half hour to go via the hospital I wouldn’t think.
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(05 May 2020, 8:57 pm)James101 Following on from the discussion of a service from Hartlepool and Billingham to North Tees I've thought about re-working the Stockon - Norton corridor. Crucially I've tried to rework current PVRs rather than adding in extra resources which is unlikely to happen:
6 (Hartlepool)
Route to operate Owton Manor to Marina only. Operates every 15 minutes to provided a 7/8 minute frequency with revised 36/37 below. Service 7 becomes standalone.
36
Reduced to every 30 minutes throughout. Re routed 37 maintains current frequency on key corridors. 36 & 37 both extend from Hartlepool Town Centre to Clavering along current 6 route so northern parts of the town benefit from extended services.
37
Rerouted from Stockton. Along Durham Rd to North Tees, resumes current route through to Norton. Continues to Hartlepool along 36 route. Passengers in Roseworth now catch bus on the other side of the road to head to Stockton & Boro but all links and frequencies are maintained in this area.
The map shows how key corridors have frequencies maintained:
There's a lot shared corridors here so it may not be possible to have totally even frequencies on all sections but if it was orientated around having the 15 minute corridors on even headways it's less inconvenient if the 10 6 buses per hour corridors run at 8/12 minute intervals, for example. The only real downgrade buses between Boro and Norton direct via Stockton go from every 6/7 mins to every 10 but it's still a well served run.
(05 May 2020, 11:17 pm)tyresmoke I think the main provlem with that is you’d end up with the 36 and new 37 on top of each other from Norton through to Hartlepool as it wouldn’t lose half hour to go via the hospital I wouldn’t think.
(05 May 2020, 8:57 pm)James101 Following on from the discussion of a service from Hartlepool and Billingham to North Tees I've thought about re-working the Stockon - Norton corridor. Crucially I've tried to rework current PVRs rather than adding in extra resources which is unlikely to happen:
6 (Hartlepool)
Route to operate Owton Manor to Marina only. Operates every 15 minutes to provided a 7/8 minute frequency with revised 36/37 below. Service 7 becomes standalone.
36
Reduced to every 30 minutes throughout. Re routed 37 maintains current frequency on key corridors. 36 & 37 both extend from Hartlepool Town Centre to Clavering along current 6 route so northern parts of the town benefit from extended services.
37
Rerouted from Stockton. Along Durham Rd to North Tees, resumes current route through to Norton. Continues to Hartlepool along 36 route. Passengers in Roseworth now catch bus on the other side of the road to head to Stockton & Boro but all links and frequencies are maintained in this area.
The map shows how key corridors have frequencies maintained:
There's a lot shared corridors here so it may not be possible to have totally even frequencies on all sections but if it was orientated around having the 15 minute corridors on even headways it's less inconvenient if the 10 6 buses per hour corridors run at 8/12 minute intervals, for example. The only real downgrade buses between Boro and Norton direct via Stockton go from every 6/7 mins to every 10 but it's still a well served run.
(05 May 2020, 11:17 pm)tyresmoke I think the main provlem with that is you’d end up with the 36 and new 37 on top of each other from Norton through to Hartlepool as it wouldn’t lose half hour to go via the hospital I wouldn’t think.
(05 May 2020, 11:17 pm)tyresmoke I think the main provlem with that is you’d end up with the 36 and new 37 on top of each other from Norton through to Hartlepool as it wouldn’t lose half hour to go via the hospital I wouldn’t think.
(06 May 2020, 8:17 am)Kuyoyo Working on current times
37 gets 10 minutes from Norton Red Lion to the Hospital, then the 58 and Arriva's X22 both get 10 minutes from the Hospital down Durham Road into Stockton so looking at about 20 minutes if the 37 was revised to the above idea.
BUT why then sabotage the current 8 buses an hour down Norton Road to Middlesbrough by reducing the 36 to half hourly and taking the 37 away to try and cover a link that has previously been proven not to be commercially viable overwise somebody would have commercially registered the H1 when the funding was withdrawn.
You aren't going to push away your bread-and-butter passengers along Norton Road to provide a direct journey that is probably only required by a handful of people.
A better solution would be, once this is over and once things have settled down, is to allow journeys on Tees Flex from the Hartlepool Zone to North Tees Hospital. It's a damn sight easier than destroying a sustainable network for a handful of people.
(05 May 2020, 11:17 pm)tyresmoke I think the main provlem with that is you’d end up with the 36 and new 37 on top of each other from Norton through to Hartlepool as it wouldn’t lose half hour to go via the hospital I wouldn’t think.
(06 May 2020, 8:17 am)Kuyoyo Working on current times
37 gets 10 minutes from Norton Red Lion to the Hospital, then the 58 and Arriva's X22 both get 10 minutes from the Hospital down Durham Road into Stockton so looking at about 20 minutes if the 37 was revised to the above idea.
BUT why then sabotage the current 8 buses an hour down Norton Road to Middlesbrough by reducing the 36 to half hourly and taking the 37 away to try and cover a link that has previously been proven not to be commercially viable overwise somebody would have commercially registered the H1 when the funding was withdrawn.
You aren't going to push away your bread-and-butter passengers along Norton Road to provide a direct journey that is probably only required by a handful of people.
A better solution would be, once this is over and once things have settled down, is to allow journeys on Tees Flex from the Hartlepool Zone to North Tees Hospital. It's a damn sight easier than destroying a sustainable network for a handful of people.
(06 May 2020, 11:49 am)James101 I've thought it through a bit more based on these comments, all times based on regular timetables:
There is a drop in direct buses to Boro from 5 bus stops along Norton Road, from 8 buses per hour to 4. That said, all stops on Norton Road are still served at every 6/7 minutes from Norton to Stockton when combined with service 52. I'd argue 4 buses per hour extending to Boro would be sufficient for 5 stops which have no other competitor operator.
I'm not sure it's as black and white as saying the H1 link isn't viable as it was withdrawn. The H1 was a standalone route with a low and uneven frequency. No ticket integration with Stagecoach or Arriva was available and Compass Royston offered no further network connections. This proposal largely runs on established corridors with existing resources. If anything I'd say the biggest barrier to this ever happening is how the current ENCTS system incentivises operators to break up journeys which are used by pass holders (i.e. hospital services) as it generates two journeys for reimbursement rather than one.
(06 May 2020, 11:49 am)James101 I've thought it through a bit more based on these comments, all times based on regular timetables:
There is a drop in direct buses to Boro from 5 bus stops along Norton Road, from 8 buses per hour to 4. That said, all stops on Norton Road are still served at every 6/7 minutes from Norton to Stockton when combined with service 52. I'd argue 4 buses per hour extending to Boro would be sufficient for 5 stops which have no other competitor operator.
I'm not sure it's as black and white as saying the H1 link isn't viable as it was withdrawn. The H1 was a standalone route with a low and uneven frequency. No ticket integration with Stagecoach or Arriva was available and Compass Royston offered no further network connections. This proposal largely runs on established corridors with existing resources. If anything I'd say the biggest barrier to this ever happening is how the current ENCTS system incentivises operators to break up journeys which are used by pass holders (i.e. hospital services) as it generates two journeys for reimbursement rather than one.
(06 May 2020, 8:17 am)Kuyoyo A better solution would be, once this is over and once things have settled down, is to allow journeys on Tees Flex from the Hartlepool Zone to North Tees Hospital. It's a damn sight easier than destroying a sustainable network for a handful of people.
(06 May 2020, 8:17 am)Kuyoyo A better solution would be, once this is over and once things have settled down, is to allow journeys on Tees Flex from the Hartlepool Zone to North Tees Hospital. It's a damn sight easier than destroying a sustainable network for a handful of people.
(06 May 2020, 11:49 am)James101 I've thought it through a bit more based on these comments, all times based on regular timetables:
There is a drop in direct buses to Boro from 5 bus stops along Norton Road, from 8 buses per hour to 4. That said, all stops on Norton Road are still served at every 6/7 minutes from Norton to Stockton when combined with service 52. I'd argue 4 buses per hour extending to Boro would be sufficient for 5 stops which have no other competitor operator.
I'm not sure it's as black and white as saying the H1 link isn't viable as it was withdrawn. The H1 was a standalone route with a low and uneven frequency. No ticket integration with Stagecoach or Arriva was available and Compass Royston offered no further network connections. This proposal largely runs on established corridors with existing resources. If anything I'd say the biggest barrier to this ever happening is how the current ENCTS system incentivises operators to break up journeys which are used by pass holders (i.e. hospital services) as it generates two journeys for reimbursement rather than one.
(06 May 2020, 11:49 am)James101 I've thought it through a bit more based on these comments, all times based on regular timetables:
There is a drop in direct buses to Boro from 5 bus stops along Norton Road, from 8 buses per hour to 4. That said, all stops on Norton Road are still served at every 6/7 minutes from Norton to Stockton when combined with service 52. I'd argue 4 buses per hour extending to Boro would be sufficient for 5 stops which have no other competitor operator.
I'm not sure it's as black and white as saying the H1 link isn't viable as it was withdrawn. The H1 was a standalone route with a low and uneven frequency. No ticket integration with Stagecoach or Arriva was available and Compass Royston offered no further network connections. This proposal largely runs on established corridors with existing resources. If anything I'd say the biggest barrier to this ever happening is how the current ENCTS system incentivises operators to break up journeys which are used by pass holders (i.e. hospital services) as it generates two journeys for reimbursement rather than one.
