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V514DFT



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09 Oct 2020, 5:34 pm #581
Personally i think the 62/63 need looking at

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
09 Oct 2020, 5:34 pm #581

Personally i think the 62/63 need looking at


Kind Regards
Tez

Acky81



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29 Nov 2020, 12:54 am #582
Was just thinking as Sunderland now operate the E1 E2 and E6 would it now be the time drop the E and just run these as 1 2 and 6. Stagecoach ditched economic colours years ago so it kind of makes sense
Acky81
29 Nov 2020, 12:54 am #582

Was just thinking as Sunderland now operate the E1 E2 and E6 would it now be the time drop the E and just run these as 1 2 and 6. Stagecoach ditched economic colours years ago so it kind of makes sense

29 Nov 2020, 1:00 am #583
(29 Nov 2020, 12:54 am)Acky81 Was just thinking as Sunderland now operate the E1 E2 and E6 would it now be the time drop the E and just run these as 1 2 and 6. Stagecoach ditched economic colours years ago so it kind of makes sense

Stagecoach still operate a 1 and a 2 in South Shields. Even though it only runs on a weekend morning, it could get confusing.
deanmachine
29 Nov 2020, 1:00 am #583

(29 Nov 2020, 12:54 am)Acky81 Was just thinking as Sunderland now operate the E1 E2 and E6 would it now be the time drop the E and just run these as 1 2 and 6. Stagecoach ditched economic colours years ago so it kind of makes sense

Stagecoach still operate a 1 and a 2 in South Shields. Even though it only runs on a weekend morning, it could get confusing.

Acky81



902
29 Nov 2020, 1:07 am #584
Fair point
Acky81
29 Nov 2020, 1:07 am #584

Fair point

cbma06



2,669
29 Nov 2020, 8:07 am #585
(29 Nov 2020, 12:54 am)Acky81 Was just thinking as Sunderland now operate the E1 E2 and E6 would it now be the time drop the E and just run these as 1 2 and 6. Stagecoach ditched economic colours years ago so it kind of makes sense


In the past few months I’ve been thinking about dropping the prefix E , but came up with a few in the air suggestions , there might be some small juggling to do in shields:



Withdraw E1/E2 and replaced by existing service 7/8 , with service 7/8 no longer a circular service and extended from Marsden to Sunderland via the old E1/E2 route

E6 replaced by service 9

Either service 17 or 18 extended from there terminal point to Bolton Asda then extended to Downhill to Sunderland Central replacing service 4

Service 8 in Sunderland renumbered to service 21, so you have service 20/21 on Hylton Road.

Service 4 will continue to run from Doxford Park to Sunderland but extended to Seaburn via the old 18/19 route between Sunderland and Seaburn, as passengers at Roker area have to be crammed onto service E1 which is already full.


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cbma06
29 Nov 2020, 8:07 am #585

(29 Nov 2020, 12:54 am)Acky81 Was just thinking as Sunderland now operate the E1 E2 and E6 would it now be the time drop the E and just run these as 1 2 and 6. Stagecoach ditched economic colours years ago so it kind of makes sense


In the past few months I’ve been thinking about dropping the prefix E , but came up with a few in the air suggestions , there might be some small juggling to do in shields:



Withdraw E1/E2 and replaced by existing service 7/8 , with service 7/8 no longer a circular service and extended from Marsden to Sunderland via the old E1/E2 route

E6 replaced by service 9

Either service 17 or 18 extended from there terminal point to Bolton Asda then extended to Downhill to Sunderland Central replacing service 4

Service 8 in Sunderland renumbered to service 21, so you have service 20/21 on Hylton Road.

Service 4 will continue to run from Doxford Park to Sunderland but extended to Seaburn via the old 18/19 route between Sunderland and Seaburn, as passengers at Roker area have to be crammed onto service E1 which is already full.


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29 Nov 2020, 9:18 am #586
The Economic service is historic. Granted , it’s previous numbering was 505/506 , before that 538/539, but I would keep it as it is.
Economic505
29 Nov 2020, 9:18 am #586

The Economic service is historic. Granted , it’s previous numbering was 505/506 , before that 538/539, but I would keep it as it is.

cbma06



2,669
29 Nov 2020, 9:32 am #587
(29 Nov 2020, 9:18 am)Economic505 The Economic service is historic. Granted , it’s previous numbering was 505/506 , before that 538/539, but I would keep it as it is.


I don’t think stagecoach are bothered about old companies which were bought or runned off the road which there inherited of Busways, only thing that is left of the economic name is the prefix E, the routes have also changed since the economic days, let’s just say stagecoach are not GNE


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cbma06
29 Nov 2020, 9:32 am #587

(29 Nov 2020, 9:18 am)Economic505 The Economic service is historic. Granted , it’s previous numbering was 505/506 , before that 538/539, but I would keep it as it is.


I don’t think stagecoach are bothered about old companies which were bought or runned off the road which there inherited of Busways, only thing that is left of the economic name is the prefix E, the routes have also changed since the economic days, let’s just say stagecoach are not GNE


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Storx



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29 Nov 2020, 9:41 am #588
(29 Nov 2020, 12:54 am)Acky81 Was just thinking as Sunderland now operate the E1 E2 and E6 would it now be the time drop the E and just run these as 1 2 and 6. Stagecoach ditched economic colours years ago so it kind of makes sense

Why though. Everyone knows what the numbers are and there's no benefit of taking the E off even known it means nothing. Never see the point in renumbering things for the sake of it personally and Stagecoach don't tend to do it. Half of the Newcastle network have had the same numbers for decades. It's a shame other operators don't do the same.
Storx
29 Nov 2020, 9:41 am #588

(29 Nov 2020, 12:54 am)Acky81 Was just thinking as Sunderland now operate the E1 E2 and E6 would it now be the time drop the E and just run these as 1 2 and 6. Stagecoach ditched economic colours years ago so it kind of makes sense

Why though. Everyone knows what the numbers are and there's no benefit of taking the E off even known it means nothing. Never see the point in renumbering things for the sake of it personally and Stagecoach don't tend to do it. Half of the Newcastle network have had the same numbers for decades. It's a shame other operators don't do the same.

29 Nov 2020, 9:59 am #589
I agree, Why renumber for the sake of it. In truth , I struggle to remember GnE routes nowadays, what with their constant tinkering. The route planners of GNE must be on speed! Many people in Sunderland know exactly what the ‘E’ services are, even if the route isn’t quite the same as the historical route.
Economic505
29 Nov 2020, 9:59 am #589

I agree, Why renumber for the sake of it. In truth , I struggle to remember GnE routes nowadays, what with their constant tinkering. The route planners of GNE must be on speed! Many people in Sunderland know exactly what the ‘E’ services are, even if the route isn’t quite the same as the historical route.

V514DFT



2,241
29 Nov 2020, 10:22 am #590
The only thing i would do is renumber the E6 to E3, never understood why it jumps from E2 to E6

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
29 Nov 2020, 10:22 am #590

The only thing i would do is renumber the E6 to E3, never understood why it jumps from E2 to E6


Kind Regards
Tez

BFK



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29 Nov 2020, 10:42 am #591
There used to be a service E3 which ran between South Shields and Sunderland via Westoe, Horsley Hill, Marsden, Whitburn, Seaburn and Roker.  It was withdrawn about 18 years ago.  The reason for E6 is because it ran in competition with Catch A Bus service 6.  Both CAB 6 and E6 ran the exact same routes.
BFK
29 Nov 2020, 10:42 am #591

There used to be a service E3 which ran between South Shields and Sunderland via Westoe, Horsley Hill, Marsden, Whitburn, Seaburn and Roker.  It was withdrawn about 18 years ago.  The reason for E6 is because it ran in competition with Catch A Bus service 6.  Both CAB 6 and E6 ran the exact same routes.

cbma06



2,669
29 Nov 2020, 10:53 am #592
(29 Nov 2020, 10:42 am)BFK There used to be a service E3 which ran between South Shields and Sunderland via Westoe, Horsley Hill, Marsden, Whitburn, Seaburn and Roker.  It was withdrawn about 18 years ago.  The reason for E6 is because it ran in competition with Catch A Bus service 6.  Both CAB 6 and E6 ran the exact same routes.


The E3 was originally introduced in competition for Tyne and Wear omnibus company X2 between South Shields and Sunderland


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cbma06
29 Nov 2020, 10:53 am #592

(29 Nov 2020, 10:42 am)BFK There used to be a service E3 which ran between South Shields and Sunderland via Westoe, Horsley Hill, Marsden, Whitburn, Seaburn and Roker.  It was withdrawn about 18 years ago.  The reason for E6 is because it ran in competition with Catch A Bus service 6.  Both CAB 6 and E6 ran the exact same routes.


The E3 was originally introduced in competition for Tyne and Wear omnibus company X2 between South Shields and Sunderland


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Storx



4,584
29 Nov 2020, 10:54 am #593
(29 Nov 2020, 9:59 am)Economic505 I agree, Why renumber for the sake of it. In truth , I struggle to remember GnE routes nowadays, what with their constant tinkering. The route planners of GNE must be on speed! Many people in Sunderland know exactly what the ‘E’ services are, even if the route isn’t quite the same as the historical route.

Yeah agreed with GNE, there's absolute no logic to where things are either especially in Sunderland, the 2 and 39 being pretty much identical routes for most of it but two numbers with little history and they're miles apart for no reason. 35 and 55 between Sunderland and Houghton where the 55 comes from god knows as they're Sheriff Hill services. Then you have the odd numbers which make no sense being there, 6 to Stanley; 11 in N. Shields for example.
Storx
29 Nov 2020, 10:54 am #593

(29 Nov 2020, 9:59 am)Economic505 I agree, Why renumber for the sake of it. In truth , I struggle to remember GnE routes nowadays, what with their constant tinkering. The route planners of GNE must be on speed! Many people in Sunderland know exactly what the ‘E’ services are, even if the route isn’t quite the same as the historical route.

Yeah agreed with GNE, there's absolute no logic to where things are either especially in Sunderland, the 2 and 39 being pretty much identical routes for most of it but two numbers with little history and they're miles apart for no reason. 35 and 55 between Sunderland and Houghton where the 55 comes from god knows as they're Sheriff Hill services. Then you have the odd numbers which make no sense being there, 6 to Stanley; 11 in N. Shields for example.

Dan

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29 Nov 2020, 11:26 am #594
(29 Nov 2020, 10:54 am)Storx Yeah agreed with GNE, there's absolute no logic to where things are either especially in Sunderland, the 2 and 39 being pretty much identical routes for most of it but two numbers with little history and they're miles apart for no reason. 35 and 55 between Sunderland and Houghton where the 55 comes from god knows as they're Sheriff Hill services. Then you have the odd numbers which make no sense being there, 6 to Stanley; 11 in N. Shields for example.



I often think as enthusiasts we put way too much thought into route numbers of services and our judgement is blinded somewhat. Does it really matter which number a service has?


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Dan
29 Nov 2020, 11:26 am #594

(29 Nov 2020, 10:54 am)Storx Yeah agreed with GNE, there's absolute no logic to where things are either especially in Sunderland, the 2 and 39 being pretty much identical routes for most of it but two numbers with little history and they're miles apart for no reason. 35 and 55 between Sunderland and Houghton where the 55 comes from god knows as they're Sheriff Hill services. Then you have the odd numbers which make no sense being there, 6 to Stanley; 11 in N. Shields for example.



I often think as enthusiasts we put way too much thought into route numbers of services and our judgement is blinded somewhat. Does it really matter which number a service has?


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Michael



19,168
29 Nov 2020, 11:49 am #595
Why does bus route numbers need logic? - and link in to History? - its a bus number, I really don't think people care, as long as it turns up.... I literally couldn't give a toss, that my route is the 23 (Stagecoach) - as long as it turns up and I can get from A to B.

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Michael
29 Nov 2020, 11:49 am #595

Why does bus route numbers need logic? - and link in to History? - its a bus number, I really don't think people care, as long as it turns up.... I literally couldn't give a toss, that my route is the 23 (Stagecoach) - as long as it turns up and I can get from A to B.


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Storx



4,584
29 Nov 2020, 11:58 am #596
(29 Nov 2020, 11:26 am)Dan I often think as enthusiasts we put way too much thought into route numbers of services and our judgement is blinded somewhat. Does it really matter which number a service has?


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Surely though from a passenger point of view some of the routes could be numbered better though.

2 and 39 for example, surely the 39 being the 3 would be better to show off the common section between both of them, it's not unrealistic for someone who doesn't know buses to be confused by those not going the same place.

Same with the 35 and 55 surely the 36 would be a better number for the 55 for it's common sections to say look both these buses go to Sunderland from Hetton or both these buses go to Hetton from Durham Road etc.

There's a few others with similar problems; 5 and 26 South Shields to Hospital and the Jarrow end, 13 and 16 Durham to Sacriston, 21 and 25 Low Fell etc.
Storx
29 Nov 2020, 11:58 am #596

(29 Nov 2020, 11:26 am)Dan I often think as enthusiasts we put way too much thought into route numbers of services and our judgement is blinded somewhat. Does it really matter which number a service has?


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Surely though from a passenger point of view some of the routes could be numbered better though.

2 and 39 for example, surely the 39 being the 3 would be better to show off the common section between both of them, it's not unrealistic for someone who doesn't know buses to be confused by those not going the same place.

Same with the 35 and 55 surely the 36 would be a better number for the 55 for it's common sections to say look both these buses go to Sunderland from Hetton or both these buses go to Hetton from Durham Road etc.

There's a few others with similar problems; 5 and 26 South Shields to Hospital and the Jarrow end, 13 and 16 Durham to Sacriston, 21 and 25 Low Fell etc.

Michael



19,168
29 Nov 2020, 12:03 pm #597
(29 Nov 2020, 11:58 am)Storx Surely though from a passenger point of view some of the routes could be numbered better though.

2 and 39 for example, surely the 39 being the 3 would be better to show off the common section between both of them, it's not unrealistic for someone who doesn't know buses to be confused by those not going the same place.

Same with the 35 and 55 surely the 36 would be a better number for the 55 for it's common sections to say look both these buses go to Sunderland from Hetton or both these buses go to Hetton from Durham Road etc.

There's a few others with similar problems; 5 and 26 South Shields to Hospital and the Jarrow end, 13 and 16 Durham to Sacriston, 21 and 25 Low Fell etc.

Well no then you would people moaning that they'll get mixed up with the Stagecoach service 3.......... Rolleyes

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 Nov 2020, 12:03 pm #597

(29 Nov 2020, 11:58 am)Storx Surely though from a passenger point of view some of the routes could be numbered better though.

2 and 39 for example, surely the 39 being the 3 would be better to show off the common section between both of them, it's not unrealistic for someone who doesn't know buses to be confused by those not going the same place.

Same with the 35 and 55 surely the 36 would be a better number for the 55 for it's common sections to say look both these buses go to Sunderland from Hetton or both these buses go to Hetton from Durham Road etc.

There's a few others with similar problems; 5 and 26 South Shields to Hospital and the Jarrow end, 13 and 16 Durham to Sacriston, 21 and 25 Low Fell etc.

Well no then you would people moaning that they'll get mixed up with the Stagecoach service 3.......... Rolleyes


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Storx



4,584
29 Nov 2020, 12:26 pm #598
(29 Nov 2020, 12:03 pm)Michael Well no then you would people moaning that they'll get mixed up with the Stagecoach service 3..........  Rolleyes

Well maybe not the 3 but that wasn't really the point. Name them the 2B and 2C even, the variation is so little between them, the 39 is just a short 2 pretty much extended to Doxford Park.
Storx
29 Nov 2020, 12:26 pm #598

(29 Nov 2020, 12:03 pm)Michael Well no then you would people moaning that they'll get mixed up with the Stagecoach service 3..........  Rolleyes

Well maybe not the 3 but that wasn't really the point. Name them the 2B and 2C even, the variation is so little between them, the 39 is just a short 2 pretty much extended to Doxford Park.

Dan

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18,116
29 Nov 2020, 12:30 pm #599
(29 Nov 2020, 12:26 pm)Storx Well maybe not the 3 but that wasn't really the point. Name them the 2B and 2C even, the variation is so little between them, the 39 is just a short 2 pretty much extended to Doxford Park.

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Dan
29 Nov 2020, 12:30 pm #599

(29 Nov 2020, 12:26 pm)Storx Well maybe not the 3 but that wasn't really the point. Name them the 2B and 2C even, the variation is so little between them, the 39 is just a short 2 pretty much extended to Doxford Park.

streetdeckfan to reception...

Michael



19,168
29 Nov 2020, 12:36 pm #600
(29 Nov 2020, 12:30 pm)Dan streetdeckfan to reception...

Remember how confusing the 35/35A/35B/35C were Undecided Sad Cry

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
29 Nov 2020, 12:36 pm #600

(29 Nov 2020, 12:30 pm)Dan streetdeckfan to reception...

Remember how confusing the 35/35A/35B/35C were Undecided Sad Cry


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

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