Stagecoach North East: Service Suggestions
Stagecoach North East: Service Suggestions
(23 Oct 2023, 10:18 am)Storx In fairness on the Throckley area I'd be trying to promote the X82 more than anything, it's much quicker.
If you interworked the:
X82 - 2 BPH
684 - 1 BPH
685 - 1 BPH
You'd have a 15 minute bus service from there towards Newcastle, 2 going right into the estates. Right now they just jump on top of each other.
Think you've got the wrong person with the 71/72/87/30/31/36 routes though.
In the future for the 71/72/87 personally I'd look at improving them like the below rather than making them worse, something has to serve all this massive new development and they're the best for it.
70 (Every 30 Minutes): Newcastle - Westerhope - Newbiggin Hall - Callerton Loop - 71 Route to Newcastle
71 (Every 30 Minutes): Reverse of above
72 (Every 30 Minutes): No Changes
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10 Minutes Combined in common sections
(23 Oct 2023, 10:18 am)Storx In fairness on the Throckley area I'd be trying to promote the X82 more than anything, it's much quicker.
If you interworked the:
X82 - 2 BPH
684 - 1 BPH
685 - 1 BPH
You'd have a 15 minute bus service from there towards Newcastle, 2 going right into the estates. Right now they just jump on top of each other.
Think you've got the wrong person with the 71/72/87/30/31/36 routes though.
In the future for the 71/72/87 personally I'd look at improving them like the below rather than making them worse, something has to serve all this massive new development and they're the best for it.
70 (Every 30 Minutes): Newcastle - Westerhope - Newbiggin Hall - Callerton Loop - 71 Route to Newcastle
71 (Every 30 Minutes): Reverse of above
72 (Every 30 Minutes): No Changes
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10 Minutes Combined in common sections
(23 Oct 2023, 3:24 am)markydh I can tell you don’t know the outer west of Newcastle, given you’re proposing to give Lemington, Newburn and Throckley, the areas that provide the majority of the passengers on the 22 to and from the city centre, a less frequent service just to accommodate a clock face timetable along Scotswood Road. That would be stupid. Equally, the 36 route exists to provide local links between Fenham Hall Drive (and Sacred Heart school) and Denton Burn, Scotswood, Benwell, etc (as the 30/31 depending on direction) and has done so for many decades. Your 64/71/72/87 proposal removes these links unnecessarily. There are some instances where if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it and these are those occasions.
(23 Oct 2023, 3:24 am)markydh I can tell you don’t know the outer west of Newcastle, given you’re proposing to give Lemington, Newburn and Throckley, the areas that provide the majority of the passengers on the 22 to and from the city centre, a less frequent service just to accommodate a clock face timetable along Scotswood Road. That would be stupid. Equally, the 36 route exists to provide local links between Fenham Hall Drive (and Sacred Heart school) and Denton Burn, Scotswood, Benwell, etc (as the 30/31 depending on direction) and has done so for many decades. Your 64/71/72/87 proposal removes these links unnecessarily. There are some instances where if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it and these are those occasions.
(23 Oct 2023, 11:50 am)DeltaMan Extend the 1 to Four Lane Ends so students can access the Metro easier.I agree with your ideas bar the 31, i'd presonally extend the 38 to the MetroCentre cus of the interworking pattern of the 30/31/36, where would you split the 62/63 in Newcastle?, personally i'd split at Central, it can still serve Blackett Street, then at the lights,turns left past the gate, then right at the lihhts next to the bigg market, then have
Extend the 31 to MetroCentre so that the inner west can actually go somewhere decent to shop.
Operate every other 22 via Appletree Gardens, and the other 22 via Ridley Avenue so the Coaster 1 can be sacked off Newcastle/Percy Main.
Split the 62/63 in Newcastle. Still every 7/8 mins east, but every 10 mins to the west (61 and 64?)
Operate both the X24 and X34 via Follingsby Park
(23 Oct 2023, 11:50 am)DeltaMan Extend the 1 to Four Lane Ends so students can access the Metro easier.I agree with your ideas bar the 31, i'd presonally extend the 38 to the MetroCentre cus of the interworking pattern of the 30/31/36, where would you split the 62/63 in Newcastle?, personally i'd split at Central, it can still serve Blackett Street, then at the lights,turns left past the gate, then right at the lihhts next to the bigg market, then have
Extend the 31 to MetroCentre so that the inner west can actually go somewhere decent to shop.
Operate every other 22 via Appletree Gardens, and the other 22 via Ridley Avenue so the Coaster 1 can be sacked off Newcastle/Percy Main.
Split the 62/63 in Newcastle. Still every 7/8 mins east, but every 10 mins to the west (61 and 64?)
Operate both the X24 and X34 via Follingsby Park
(23 Oct 2023, 11:50 am)DeltaMan Extend the 1 to Four Lane Ends so students can access the Metro easier.
Extend the 31 to MetroCentre so that the inner west can actually go somewhere decent to shop.
Operate every other 22 via Appletree Gardens, and the other 22 via Ridley Avenue so the Coaster 1 can be sacked off Newcastle/Percy Main.
Split the 62/63 in Newcastle. Still every 7/8 mins east, but every 10 mins to the west (61 and 64?)
Operate both the X24 and X34 via Follingsby Park
(23 Oct 2023, 11:50 am)DeltaMan Extend the 1 to Four Lane Ends so students can access the Metro easier.
Extend the 31 to MetroCentre so that the inner west can actually go somewhere decent to shop.
Operate every other 22 via Appletree Gardens, and the other 22 via Ridley Avenue so the Coaster 1 can be sacked off Newcastle/Percy Main.
Split the 62/63 in Newcastle. Still every 7/8 mins east, but every 10 mins to the west (61 and 64?)
Operate both the X24 and X34 via Follingsby Park
(23 Oct 2023, 3:47 pm)markydh The X82 only runs hourly in the evenings and besides, it isn’t that much quicker (the new timetable will have a round trip of 57 minutes) and doesn’t go anywhere near Central Station. Plus given how few people get on or off the 22 off peak between Scotswood Bridge and Newcastle College, it’s virtually an express. Also, you can’t currently use Stagecoach passes on the 684 and neither that nor the 685 serve the Throckley estates. No one is going to walk up a very steep hill to the main road. And what about Newburn and Lemington? As I say, the bus services to the outer west have been very stable for a very long time and that’s precisely because they work as they should, particularly since the 62 replaced the 71 between North Walbottle and Throckley, which provided long called for links to the West Denton shops. What most of the west of the City Centre lacks, however, is a link to the Airport. Now that would definitely be something to explore.
(23 Oct 2023, 3:47 pm)markydh The X82 only runs hourly in the evenings and besides, it isn’t that much quicker (the new timetable will have a round trip of 57 minutes) and doesn’t go anywhere near Central Station. Plus given how few people get on or off the 22 off peak between Scotswood Bridge and Newcastle College, it’s virtually an express. Also, you can’t currently use Stagecoach passes on the 684 and neither that nor the 685 serve the Throckley estates. No one is going to walk up a very steep hill to the main road. And what about Newburn and Lemington? As I say, the bus services to the outer west have been very stable for a very long time and that’s precisely because they work as they should, particularly since the 62 replaced the 71 between North Walbottle and Throckley, which provided long called for links to the West Denton shops. What most of the west of the City Centre lacks, however, is a link to the Airport. Now that would definitely be something to explore.
(23 Oct 2023, 5:53 pm)V514DFT I agree with your ideas bar the 31, i'd presonally extend the 38 to the MetroCentre cus of the interworking pattern of the 30/31/36, where would you split the 62/63 in Newcastle?, personally i'd split at Central, it can still serve Blackett Street, then at the lights,turns left past the gate, then right at the lihhts next to the bigg market, then haveI didn't think of the 38! That would be interesting with the West Road to Metrocentre. I just thought Elswick Road/Benwell as it would pull in people from south of the West Road and north of Westmorland Road as well.
61- Newcastle-Throckley
64-Newcastle- Middle East Callerton
61/64 interworking at Central
62/63 interworking at Killingworth
(23 Oct 2023, 5:53 pm)V514DFT I agree with your ideas bar the 31, i'd presonally extend the 38 to the MetroCentre cus of the interworking pattern of the 30/31/36, where would you split the 62/63 in Newcastle?, personally i'd split at Central, it can still serve Blackett Street, then at the lights,turns left past the gate, then right at the lihhts next to the bigg market, then haveI didn't think of the 38! That would be interesting with the West Road to Metrocentre. I just thought Elswick Road/Benwell as it would pull in people from south of the West Road and north of Westmorland Road as well.
61- Newcastle-Throckley
64-Newcastle- Middle East Callerton
61/64 interworking at Central
62/63 interworking at Killingworth
(23 Oct 2023, 6:35 pm)DeltaMan I didn't think of the 38! That would be interesting with the West Road to Metrocentre. I just thought Elswick Road/Benwell as it would pull in people from south of the West Road and north of Westmorland Road as well.
With the 62/63, I think the Buses from the west would do what they correctly do, but loop round at New Bridge Street/Pilgrim Street.
If the facilities were better at Central Station (the old Bewick Street Bus Terminal!) then i'd agree with your 62/63 suggestion. Otherwise I'd do a loop of John Dobson Street, St Mary's Place and Percy Street
(23 Oct 2023, 6:35 pm)DeltaMan I didn't think of the 38! That would be interesting with the West Road to Metrocentre. I just thought Elswick Road/Benwell as it would pull in people from south of the West Road and north of Westmorland Road as well.
With the 62/63, I think the Buses from the west would do what they correctly do, but loop round at New Bridge Street/Pilgrim Street.
If the facilities were better at Central Station (the old Bewick Street Bus Terminal!) then i'd agree with your 62/63 suggestion. Otherwise I'd do a loop of John Dobson Street, St Mary's Place and Percy Street
(23 Oct 2023, 6:35 pm)DeltaMan I didn't think of the 38! That would be interesting with the West Road to Metrocentre. I just thought Elswick Road/Benwell as it would pull in people from south of the West Road and north of Westmorland Road as well.
With the 62/63, I think the Buses from the west would do what they correctly do, but loop round at New Bridge Street/Pilgrim Street.
If the facilities were better at Central Station (the old Bewick Street Bus Terminal!) then i'd agree with your 62/63 suggestion. Otherwise I'd do a loop of John Dobson Street, St Mary's Place and Percy Street
(23 Oct 2023, 6:35 pm)DeltaMan I didn't think of the 38! That would be interesting with the West Road to Metrocentre. I just thought Elswick Road/Benwell as it would pull in people from south of the West Road and north of Westmorland Road as well.
With the 62/63, I think the Buses from the west would do what they correctly do, but loop round at New Bridge Street/Pilgrim Street.
If the facilities were better at Central Station (the old Bewick Street Bus Terminal!) then i'd agree with your 62/63 suggestion. Otherwise I'd do a loop of John Dobson Street, St Mary's Place and Percy Street
For the love of god don't mess with the X34. It's the only decent bus service Stagecoach have come up with in South Shields.
(23 Oct 2023, 10:49 pm)Unber43 So what would u change
(23 Oct 2023, 10:49 pm)Unber43 So what would u change
(24 Oct 2023, 12:25 pm)deanmachine The X34 being a non-Shields town centre based service is the one good thing of it. The services that don't connect you with the town centre aren't the best. At the nook we only have the 10/11 to get to Jarrow, but it's a long slog to get there. My daughter has a friends birthday party in Fellgate community centre soon and my partner asked how to get there. X34 to Boldon then switching onto the 5 isn't a great solution, but then again, is there that much demand to get to Fellgate from the Nook? For the kids in her class that's the only way for people who don't have cars that day, but in general I'm not sure.
In general South Shields has quite a good network. At the nook we have about 20 buses an hour going to the town centre, that's massive overkill, but they just happen to pass through the same point and are all well used, and like I said I can get to pretty much everywhere in South Shields I need to by bus from here.
(24 Oct 2023, 12:25 pm)deanmachine The X34 being a non-Shields town centre based service is the one good thing of it. The services that don't connect you with the town centre aren't the best. At the nook we only have the 10/11 to get to Jarrow, but it's a long slog to get there. My daughter has a friends birthday party in Fellgate community centre soon and my partner asked how to get there. X34 to Boldon then switching onto the 5 isn't a great solution, but then again, is there that much demand to get to Fellgate from the Nook? For the kids in her class that's the only way for people who don't have cars that day, but in general I'm not sure.
In general South Shields has quite a good network. At the nook we have about 20 buses an hour going to the town centre, that's massive overkill, but they just happen to pass through the same point and are all well used, and like I said I can get to pretty much everywhere in South Shields I need to by bus from here.
I'd revert the 10/11 back to South Shields- Jarrow only, and have a new service (14) South Shields- North Shields via South Shields Interchange, Western Approach, Laygate, Chichester Metro, Dean Road, Jarrow Road, Newcastle Road, A19 to Hedworth Lane, Hedworth Lane, Calf Close Lane, York Avenue, Jarrow Metro, Jarrow Morrisons, Tyne Tunnel, Howdon Road, Royal Quays Outlet, Howdon Road (The Parks) George Stephenson Way, Prince Consort Way, Smiths Dock, North Shields Ferry Landing, North Shields Transport Hub and mutual ticket acceptance
One I've had for a while: Gilley Law - Plains Farm - Springwell Rd - Chester Rd - Kayall Rd - St Lukes then former 11 route to the town, terminating on Fawcett Street, or via St Mary's Way and interworking with the 8 at John Street.
This will allow the 3 and 4 to skip Plains Farm.
(24 Oct 2023, 5:39 pm)F114TML One I've had for a while: Gilley Law - Plains Farm - Springwell Rd - Chester Rd - Kayall Rd - St Lukes then former 11 route to the town, terminating on Fawcett Street, or via St Mary's Way and interworking with the 8 at John Street.
This will allow the 3 and 4 to skip Plains Farm.
(24 Oct 2023, 5:39 pm)F114TML One I've had for a while: Gilley Law - Plains Farm - Springwell Rd - Chester Rd - Kayall Rd - St Lukes then former 11 route to the town, terminating on Fawcett Street, or via St Mary's Way and interworking with the 8 at John Street.
This will allow the 3 and 4 to skip Plains Farm.
To be fair looking at the situation with Go strike action, Stagecoach could do with some of that fight they showed post deregulation and get Perth to back them with cascades and new routes. Never known a company not take advantage of long term striking..
If stagecoach have enough drivers I sense a reintroduction of the 100. Maybe even via Gateshead.
Suprised they havent diverted the X24 to Washington or Concord, seems like it would be a good idea atm
(08 Nov 2023, 7:43 pm)ASX_Terranova Suprised they havent diverted the X24 to Washington or Concord, seems like it would be a good idea atm
(08 Nov 2023, 7:43 pm)ASX_Terranova Suprised they havent diverted the X24 to Washington or Concord, seems like it would be a good idea atm
(08 Nov 2023, 7:50 pm)54APhotography Surprised SNE are sitting back. Unlike Stagecoach not to sense blood in situations like this.
