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cbma06



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25 Jun 2014, 10:09 am #141
(25 Jun 2014, 7:40 am)Acky81 Remember redby running in stagecoach colours for 139/140 routes now that was a strange one. If stagecoach busways didn't want the route shared with wear buses why not give it all to redby or wear buses. Never understood why it was run under licence by redby for stagecoach hmmm!!

I think it was because Stagecoach and Redby came to some sort of a deal. Same as the 14/14A as well. I remember when Redby put on service 15A/20A but didn't have enough buses, so their had to borrow the Ex Bexley buses (677 etc..) from Stagecoach until the notice of cancellation period passed through VOSA.
Edited 25 Jun 2014, 10:11 am by cbma06.


cbma06
25 Jun 2014, 10:09 am #141

(25 Jun 2014, 7:40 am)Acky81 Remember redby running in stagecoach colours for 139/140 routes now that was a strange one. If stagecoach busways didn't want the route shared with wear buses why not give it all to redby or wear buses. Never understood why it was run under licence by redby for stagecoach hmmm!!

I think it was because Stagecoach and Redby came to some sort of a deal. Same as the 14/14A as well. I remember when Redby put on service 15A/20A but didn't have enough buses, so their had to borrow the Ex Bexley buses (677 etc..) from Stagecoach until the notice of cancellation period passed through VOSA.



col87



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22 Jul 2014, 6:43 pm #142
I would like to see Stagecoach in Hartlepool bring back the X99 using the following route Hartlepool Interchange- Hartlepool Centre - Hart Village- Dalton Park - A19- Metrocentre- Newcastle what does anyone think
col87
22 Jul 2014, 6:43 pm #142

I would like to see Stagecoach in Hartlepool bring back the X99 using the following route Hartlepool Interchange- Hartlepool Centre - Hart Village- Dalton Park - A19- Metrocentre- Newcastle what does anyone think

23 Jul 2014, 9:08 am #143
(22 Jul 2014, 6:43 pm)col87 I would like to see Stagecoach in Hartlepool bring back the X99 using the following route Hartlepool Interchange- Hartlepool Centre - Hart Village- Dalton Park - A19- Metrocentre- Newcastle what does anyone think

Why Hart Village?! Do you live there?!
Roland Pratt
23 Jul 2014, 9:08 am #143

(22 Jul 2014, 6:43 pm)col87 I would like to see Stagecoach in Hartlepool bring back the X99 using the following route Hartlepool Interchange- Hartlepool Centre - Hart Village- Dalton Park - A19- Metrocentre- Newcastle what does anyone think

Why Hart Village?! Do you live there?!

col87



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23 Jul 2014, 9:13 am #144
(23 Jul 2014, 9:08 am)Roland Pratt Why Hart Village?! Do you live there?!

No I live the other side of Hartlepool and since it would go near Hart Village it might as well serve it
col87
23 Jul 2014, 9:13 am #144

(23 Jul 2014, 9:08 am)Roland Pratt Why Hart Village?! Do you live there?!

No I live the other side of Hartlepool and since it would go near Hart Village it might as well serve it

Acky81



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23 Jul 2014, 9:24 am #145
(23 Jul 2014, 9:13 am)col87 No I live the other side of Hartlepool and since it would go near Hart Village it might as well serve it

Can't see it happening to be honest when northern rail run to Newcastle n metrocentre
Acky81
23 Jul 2014, 9:24 am #145

(23 Jul 2014, 9:13 am)col87 No I live the other side of Hartlepool and since it would go near Hart Village it might as well serve it

Can't see it happening to be honest when northern rail run to Newcastle n metrocentre

col87



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23 Jul 2014, 9:24 am #146
Hartlepool Services 8 Throston Grange- Univeristy Hospital- Millbank Road- Marina-Hartlepool Interchange-Town Centre-Stockton Road-Owton Manor Lane it could then either be linked with the 6 or 7. 21 Greatham- Turo Drive- Catcote Road- Westbroke Ave- Oxford Road - Stockton Road- Park Road- Huckleoven Way-Church Street- Victoria Road.
col87
23 Jul 2014, 9:24 am #146

Hartlepool Services 8 Throston Grange- Univeristy Hospital- Millbank Road- Marina-Hartlepool Interchange-Town Centre-Stockton Road-Owton Manor Lane it could then either be linked with the 6 or 7. 21 Greatham- Turo Drive- Catcote Road- Westbroke Ave- Oxford Road - Stockton Road- Park Road- Huckleoven Way-Church Street- Victoria Road.

col87



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23 Jul 2014, 9:28 am #147
(23 Jul 2014, 9:24 am)Acky81 Can't see it happening to be honest when northern rail run to Newcastle n metrocentre

True but it doesent mean you cant have a bus service is well how many places in tyne and wear have buses and the metro doing the simalur routres
col87
23 Jul 2014, 9:28 am #147

(23 Jul 2014, 9:24 am)Acky81 Can't see it happening to be honest when northern rail run to Newcastle n metrocentre

True but it doesent mean you cant have a bus service is well how many places in tyne and wear have buses and the metro doing the simalur routres

Acky81



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23 Jul 2014, 9:32 am #148
(23 Jul 2014, 9:28 am)col87 True but it doesent mean you cant have a bus service is well how many places in tyne and wear have buses and the metro doing the simalur routres
Again like u say very true. Bus companies are just greedy though and will focus on high frequency town centre services. Look at Sunderland we had m39 and m40 services to metrocentre but these got axed due to lack of custom. Shields had m42 and m43 again axed. Hope your idea comes off though as I like fresh routes. Wish Sunderland would open some new routes
Acky81
23 Jul 2014, 9:32 am #148

(23 Jul 2014, 9:28 am)col87 True but it doesent mean you cant have a bus service is well how many places in tyne and wear have buses and the metro doing the simalur routres
Again like u say very true. Bus companies are just greedy though and will focus on high frequency town centre services. Look at Sunderland we had m39 and m40 services to metrocentre but these got axed due to lack of custom. Shields had m42 and m43 again axed. Hope your idea comes off though as I like fresh routes. Wish Sunderland would open some new routes

tyresmoke



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23 Jul 2014, 9:34 am #149
There's got to be a market for a Hartlepool to Newcastle express, but it would have to offer more than the train, with a competitive journey time. This could be tricky to achieve whilst still picking up enough custom.

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tyresmoke
23 Jul 2014, 9:34 am #149

There's got to be a market for a Hartlepool to Newcastle express, but it would have to offer more than the train, with a competitive journey time. This could be tricky to achieve whilst still picking up enough custom.


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col87



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23 Jul 2014, 9:46 am #150
(23 Jul 2014, 9:32 am)Acky81 Again like u say very true. Bus companies are just greedy though and will focus on high frequency town centre services. Look at Sunderland we had m39 and m40 services to metrocentre but these got axed due to lack of custom. Shields had m42 and m43 again axed. Hope your idea comes off though as I like fresh routes. Wish Sunderland would open some new routes
You are correct i cant see it happening but I think it could work if some company was willing to try espcally in the run up to christmas and school hollidays
col87
23 Jul 2014, 9:46 am #150

(23 Jul 2014, 9:32 am)Acky81 Again like u say very true. Bus companies are just greedy though and will focus on high frequency town centre services. Look at Sunderland we had m39 and m40 services to metrocentre but these got axed due to lack of custom. Shields had m42 and m43 again axed. Hope your idea comes off though as I like fresh routes. Wish Sunderland would open some new routes
You are correct i cant see it happening but I think it could work if some company was willing to try espcally in the run up to christmas and school hollidays

col87



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23 Jul 2014, 9:52 am #151
(23 Jul 2014, 9:34 am)tyresmoke There's got to be a market for a Hartlepool to Newcastle express, but it would have to offer more than the train, with a competitive journey time. This could be tricky to achieve whilst still picking up enough custom.
Go North East shows that it can work with the tyne tees express. If it was advertised properley and it had decent fares then it can work when you consider the trains are about 20 year old and often crowded
col87
23 Jul 2014, 9:52 am #151

(23 Jul 2014, 9:34 am)tyresmoke There's got to be a market for a Hartlepool to Newcastle express, but it would have to offer more than the train, with a competitive journey time. This could be tricky to achieve whilst still picking up enough custom.
Go North East shows that it can work with the tyne tees express. If it was advertised properley and it had decent fares then it can work when you consider the trains are about 20 year old and often crowded

col87



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23 Jul 2014, 10:07 am #152
Hartlepool Service 2 Ward Jackson Park- Rift House-Owton Manor-Seaton Lane- Seaton Carew Weekends only during term time everyday during hollidays Service 15 South Fens-Owton Manor-Rift House-Park Road-Town Centre-Marina-Maritime Ave-Church Street
col87
23 Jul 2014, 10:07 am #152

Hartlepool Service 2 Ward Jackson Park- Rift House-Owton Manor-Seaton Lane- Seaton Carew Weekends only during term time everyday during hollidays Service 15 South Fens-Owton Manor-Rift House-Park Road-Town Centre-Marina-Maritime Ave-Church Street

23 Jul 2014, 10:16 am #153
Some of these have been tried before - eg the Badgerbus. They operated then with council support so its highly unlikely they'd be operated commercially, even though they used to carry good loads.
Roland Pratt
23 Jul 2014, 10:16 am #153

Some of these have been tried before - eg the Badgerbus. They operated then with council support so its highly unlikely they'd be operated commercially, even though they used to carry good loads.

col87



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23 Jul 2014, 10:22 am #154
(23 Jul 2014, 10:16 am)Roland Pratt Some of these have been tried before - eg the Badgerbus. They operated then with council support so its highly unlikely they'd be operated commercially, even though they used to carry good loads.
Yeah the badgerbus was good but still it just what i would like to see dont expect it to happen
col87
23 Jul 2014, 10:22 am #154

(23 Jul 2014, 10:16 am)Roland Pratt Some of these have been tried before - eg the Badgerbus. They operated then with council support so its highly unlikely they'd be operated commercially, even though they used to carry good loads.
Yeah the badgerbus was good but still it just what i would like to see dont expect it to happen

03 Aug 2014, 12:55 pm #155
Would it ever be possible for the 52 and 34 to interwork in Teesside, as this would be only real solution as to how the E300's are to work on the Middlesbrough services, which would mean that the 34,52 and 58 could all use the DDA ALX300's, the 35, 59 and 61 could be ran by cascaded dennis darts from other stagecoach depots, and the 13 could be a mix of darts, deckers (from schoolars) and DDA alx300's (if deckers were placed on other services like the 52/58 or 11/12). That's how I see it running, unless Newcastle single deckers get updated and we get their DDA Alx300's/e300's (from 100), which would be more beneficial for reserves.
benambro
03 Aug 2014, 12:55 pm #155

Would it ever be possible for the 52 and 34 to interwork in Teesside, as this would be only real solution as to how the E300's are to work on the Middlesbrough services, which would mean that the 34,52 and 58 could all use the DDA ALX300's, the 35, 59 and 61 could be ran by cascaded dennis darts from other stagecoach depots, and the 13 could be a mix of darts, deckers (from schoolars) and DDA alx300's (if deckers were placed on other services like the 52/58 or 11/12). That's how I see it running, unless Newcastle single deckers get updated and we get their DDA Alx300's/e300's (from 100), which would be more beneficial for reserves.

03 Aug 2014, 1:00 pm #156
(03 Aug 2014, 12:55 pm)benambro Would it ever be possible for the 52 and 34 to interwork in Teesside, as this would be only real solution as to how the E300's are to work on the Middlesbrough services, which would mean that the 34,52 and 58 could all use the DDA ALX300's, the 35, 59 and 61 could be ran by cascaded dennis darts from other stagecoach depots, and the 13 could be a mix of darts, deckers (from schoolars) and DDA alx300's (if deckers were placed on other services like the 52/58 or 11/12). That's how I see it running, unless Newcastle single deckers get updated and we get their DDA Alx300's/e300's (from 100), which would be more beneficial for reserves.

A 'solution'? I didn't know there was a problem!
Why would they want Dennis Darts?!
Roland Pratt
03 Aug 2014, 1:00 pm #156

(03 Aug 2014, 12:55 pm)benambro Would it ever be possible for the 52 and 34 to interwork in Teesside, as this would be only real solution as to how the E300's are to work on the Middlesbrough services, which would mean that the 34,52 and 58 could all use the DDA ALX300's, the 35, 59 and 61 could be ran by cascaded dennis darts from other stagecoach depots, and the 13 could be a mix of darts, deckers (from schoolars) and DDA alx300's (if deckers were placed on other services like the 52/58 or 11/12). That's how I see it running, unless Newcastle single deckers get updated and we get their DDA Alx300's/e300's (from 100), which would be more beneficial for reserves.

A 'solution'? I didn't know there was a problem!
Why would they want Dennis Darts?!

Kuyoyo



6,856
03 Aug 2014, 1:01 pm #157
(03 Aug 2014, 12:55 pm)benambro Would it ever be possible for the 52 and 34 to interwork in Teesside, as this would be only real solution as to how the E300's are to work on the Middlesbrough services, which would mean that the 34,52 and 58 could all use the DDA ALX300's, the 35, 59 and 61 could be ran by cascaded dennis darts from other stagecoach depots, and the 13 could be a mix of darts, deckers (from schoolars) and DDA alx300's (if deckers were placed on other services like the 52/58 or 11/12). That's how I see it running, unless Newcastle single deckers get updated and we get their DDA Alx300's/e300's (from 100), which would be more beneficial for reserves.

No way for the 52 and 34 to interwork - the 52 being every 12 minutes and the 34 being every 30 minutes rules that out straight away. The only way to split the 34 away from the Middlesbrough services would be to revert back to the original operation and interwork it with the 35 - which would then have the added bonus of helping the relaiblity of the 35.
Kuyoyo
03 Aug 2014, 1:01 pm #157

(03 Aug 2014, 12:55 pm)benambro Would it ever be possible for the 52 and 34 to interwork in Teesside, as this would be only real solution as to how the E300's are to work on the Middlesbrough services, which would mean that the 34,52 and 58 could all use the DDA ALX300's, the 35, 59 and 61 could be ran by cascaded dennis darts from other stagecoach depots, and the 13 could be a mix of darts, deckers (from schoolars) and DDA alx300's (if deckers were placed on other services like the 52/58 or 11/12). That's how I see it running, unless Newcastle single deckers get updated and we get their DDA Alx300's/e300's (from 100), which would be more beneficial for reserves.

No way for the 52 and 34 to interwork - the 52 being every 12 minutes and the 34 being every 30 minutes rules that out straight away. The only way to split the 34 away from the Middlesbrough services would be to revert back to the original operation and interwork it with the 35 - which would then have the added bonus of helping the relaiblity of the 35.

03 Aug 2014, 4:33 pm #158
(03 Aug 2014, 1:01 pm)Kuyoyo No way for the 52 and 34 to interwork - the 52 being every 12 minutes and the 34 being every 30 minutes rules that out straight away. The only way to split the 34 away from the Middlesbrough services would be to revert back to the original operation and interwork it with the 35 - which would then have the added bonus of helping the relaiblity of the 35.

considering the fact that the 34 and 52 in Billingham (from mill lane to low grange) run around 5 minutes after eachother (and quite a few usually late so they run together), so it could work, although it would mean 2 buses to low grange coming in at the same time.
benambro
03 Aug 2014, 4:33 pm #158

(03 Aug 2014, 1:01 pm)Kuyoyo No way for the 52 and 34 to interwork - the 52 being every 12 minutes and the 34 being every 30 minutes rules that out straight away. The only way to split the 34 away from the Middlesbrough services would be to revert back to the original operation and interwork it with the 35 - which would then have the added bonus of helping the relaiblity of the 35.

considering the fact that the 34 and 52 in Billingham (from mill lane to low grange) run around 5 minutes after eachother (and quite a few usually late so they run together), so it could work, although it would mean 2 buses to low grange coming in at the same time.

03 Aug 2014, 4:35 pm #159
(03 Aug 2014, 1:00 pm)Roland Pratt A 'solution'? I didn't know there was a problem!
Why would they want Dennis Darts?!

currently the PVR of Middlesbrough services are 17, but their is only 15 E300's. I used dennis darts as their will be more of them spare (as Midibuses are cheaper to buy than full sized buses) stagecoach tend to buy more of them.
benambro
03 Aug 2014, 4:35 pm #159

(03 Aug 2014, 1:00 pm)Roland Pratt A 'solution'? I didn't know there was a problem!
Why would they want Dennis Darts?!

currently the PVR of Middlesbrough services are 17, but their is only 15 E300's. I used dennis darts as their will be more of them spare (as Midibuses are cheaper to buy than full sized buses) stagecoach tend to buy more of them.

Kuyoyo



6,856
03 Aug 2014, 5:08 pm #160
(03 Aug 2014, 4:33 pm)benambro considering the fact that the 34 and 52 in Billingham (from mill lane to low grange) run around 5 minutes after eachother (and quite a few usually late so they run together), so it could work, although it would mean 2 buses to low grange coming in at the same time.

But the problem of making the 34 separate from the 11/12/14 lies at the Middlesbrough end, not the Billingham end - a round trip on the 34 takes 1 hour 2 minutes. You then have to consider the background issues in terms of staffing - certain 52s during the week and on Saturday mornings are worked by the new starter rota drivers who are only route learnt on a select number of routes (13, 52, 59 and 61).
Kuyoyo
03 Aug 2014, 5:08 pm #160

(03 Aug 2014, 4:33 pm)benambro considering the fact that the 34 and 52 in Billingham (from mill lane to low grange) run around 5 minutes after eachother (and quite a few usually late so they run together), so it could work, although it would mean 2 buses to low grange coming in at the same time.

But the problem of making the 34 separate from the 11/12/14 lies at the Middlesbrough end, not the Billingham end - a round trip on the 34 takes 1 hour 2 minutes. You then have to consider the background issues in terms of staffing - certain 52s during the week and on Saturday mornings are worked by the new starter rota drivers who are only route learnt on a select number of routes (13, 52, 59 and 61).

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