North East Buses

(04 Apr 2020, 11:41 am)Michael wrote [ -> ]If you scroll up..this was already put on here.

Yes it was, but the previous post was last week's timetables.  The times are completely different.

(04 Apr 2020, 12:34 pm)MVK500R wrote [ -> ]Yes it was, but the previous post was last week's timetables.  The times are completely different.

Actually they were updated on the 2nd April, to change tomorrow, but must of been updated again, after i post them .

Which buses will Sunderland delicense from Sunday, due to more changes?, As the PVR drops from 53 to 41.

Edit:

I worked out... 84 PVR for a full normal service.. so in a matter of weeks, its dropped from 84 to 53 to 41... crazy, just shows you the demand isn't there.

I wonder if Sunderland will start running shields routes

(04 Apr 2020, 2:42 pm)Ds1197 wrote [ -> ]I wonder if Sunderland will start running shields routes

Not sure, but tbh, they should, would seem the best thing, store all the unused buses at Shields.

(04 Apr 2020, 10:52 am)ifm001 wrote [ -> ]Excuse me Robin.   I also answered your question with a reasonable tone.
If you wish to take this attitude can I suggest you take it elsewhere and not with myself.

Well said!

Cock Robin. I don’t want any problems with you?

These changes are bizarre. The Sunday services have now been changed, with some running less frequently than usual on a Sunday (eg 12, 36) but they've introduced a Sunday service on the 13 and 35!
They've brought in the planned 5th April timetable change and renumbering of the 794 as well.

(04 Apr 2020, 5:04 pm)Cock Robin wrote [ -> ]These changes are bizarre. The Sunday services have now been changed, with some running less frequently than usual on a Sunday (eg 12, 36) but they've introduced a Sunday service on the 13 and 35!
They've brought in the planned 5th April timetable change and renumbering of the 794 as well.

But it does make sense like you can't just cut of Wolviston Court by Axing the 35 all together, same with several areas on the 13 as its the only bus that goes there. Yet the 36 route is pretty much covered by other routes (and people shouldn't really be travelling from Teesside to Hartlepool unless they are keyworkers).

(04 Apr 2020, 5:24 pm)Benny wrote [ -> ]But it does make sense like you can't just cut of Wolviston Court by Axing the 35 all together, same with several areas on the 13 as its the only bus that goes there. Yet the 36 route is pretty much covered by other routes (and people shouldn't really be travelling from Teesside to Hartlepool unless they are keyworkers).

But the 13 and 35 dont normally run on Sunday thats what I'm saying. The areas are normally cut off, and they would probably get more passengers normally if they ran than they will at the moment.

(04 Apr 2020, 1:44 pm)Michael wrote [ -> ]Which buses will Sunderland delicense from Sunday, due to more changes?, As the PVR drops from 53 to 41.

Edit:

I worked out... 84 PVR for a full normal service.. so in a matter of weeks, its dropped from 84 to 53 to 41... crazy, just shows you the demand isn't there.

To get to work, I use either the 12, 40 or 22 to Byker, then the 62/3 to complete my journey, and to be honest they're nearly always empty.

(04 Apr 2020, 12:06 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]Teesside ones have changed as well

12/39 reduced from every 20 daytime/30 evening to every 30 all day
36 reduced from half hourly to hourly, combining with 37/38 to offer a bus every 20 minutes between Middlesbrough and Norton
52 and 58 remains every 30 minutes but running to evening times, 61 reduced to hourly (58/59/61 interworking as per evening)
13 running hourly (no 13A) with a near half hour layover at Hemlington
34 reduced to hourly on Sunday timings (but different times for the majority of the day)
35 reduced to hourly leaving Stockton at xx31
14 unchanged from this week (hourly all day - with a small amount of extra time during the day)
10 remains hourly but retimed
Stockton PVR drops from 31 to 18

Hartlepool is unchanged from this week

Leaving Hartlepool as-is seems strange. With the 6/7 currently being each every 20 mins, 7 days a week, this must be the best served route in the region atm.

Stagecoach newcastle and sunderland do well dont know about south shields

(04 Apr 2020, 10:19 pm)James101 wrote [ -> ]Leaving Hartlepool as-is seems strange. With the 6/7 currently being each every 20 mins, 7 days a week, this must be the best served route in the region atm.

Are they subsidised? Could be why.

(04 Apr 2020, 5:24 pm)Benny wrote [ -> ]But it does make sense like you can't just cut of Wolviston Court by Axing the 35 all together, same with several areas on the 13 as its the only bus that goes there. Yet the 36 route is pretty much covered by other routes (and people shouldn't really be travelling from Teesside to Hartlepool unless they are keyworkers).

But 35s (and 13s) don't normally run on Sundays but as of today they are running (although Bus Times - and presumably the Stagecoach app - aren't tracking the runs properly (so at present, 26286 is out on 37s but it is showing on Bus Times as a 34).

(04 Apr 2020, 10:19 pm)James101 wrote [ -> ]Leaving Hartlepool as-is seems strange. With the 6/7 currently being each every 20 mins, 7 days a week, this must be the best served route in the region atm.

(05 Apr 2020, 6:19 am)Dan wrote [ -> ]Are they subsidised? Could be why.

Don't think anything in Hartlepool is subsidised (apart from the evening journeys on Arriva's 57a to Trimdon - but that's DCC funding not Hartlepool Council). To be honest, cutting Hartlepool's services down anymore would effectively bring the question of closing it down temporarily (as per what Go have done) and having their entire Tees Valley area output operate out of Stockton - considering as of today, Stockton is down to just 18 buses out and Hartlepool are running 15 on weekdays.

I don't think any Hartlepool service receives subsidy. A round trip on the 6 is 79 minutes so even a reduction to every 30 minutes is going to result in the same number of vehicles on the road. The 7 on the other hand can be achieved in 58 minutes so can surely only be a matter of time before it goes half hourly

(04 Apr 2020, 1:44 pm)Michael wrote [ -> ]Which buses will Sunderland delicense from Sunday, due to more changes?, As the PVR drops from 53 to 41.

Edit:

I worked out... 84 PVR for a full normal service.. so in a matter of weeks, its dropped from 84 to 53 to 41... crazy, just shows you the demand isn't there.

All of Sunderlands ADL E300s (27726-40) are all off the road today, with the E's being operated by Gas Buses.

(05 Apr 2020, 11:22 am)AIG20 wrote [ -> ]All of Sunderlands ADL E300s (27726-40) are all off the road today, with the E's being operated by Gas Buses.

Thanks for the update, hopefully means the darts are off the road for good.


Shame most routes can't be gas bus and newer Envrio ran, gonna be a long process to get all the buses taxed again (if they run out during not being used in service)... Sunderland only has a current PVR of 41 (would imagine around 6 spare buses?) so just tax the gas buses and newer Enviro's and get them out on the road.




South Shields PVR is now: 13 (think I've worked out it right) - they might as well merge it with Sunderland, and use South Shields to store the unused buses.

(05 Apr 2020, 7:49 am)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]But 35s (and 13s) don't normally run on Sundays but as of today they are running (although Bus Times - and presumably the Stagecoach app - aren't tracking the runs properly (so at present, 26286 is out on 37s but it is showing on Bus Times as a 34).



Don't think anything in Hartlepool is subsidised (apart from the evening journeys on Arriva's 57a to Trimdon - but that's DCC funding not Hartlepool Council). To be honest, cutting Hartlepool's services down anymore would effectively bring the question of closing it down temporarily (as per what Go have done) and having their entire Tees Valley area output operate out of Stockton - considering as of today, Stockton is down to just 18 buses out and Hartlepool are running 15 on weekdays.

You are indeed right. Hartlepool Council withdrew subsidies on all services between 27th March -1st April 2010 and hasn't paid for a single bus journey since! Durham Council pay for much of the 57, 57A and 58 group of services on.
Maybe Stagecoach could temorarily extend the 36 to cover all of the 6's route. I dunno, just a silly thought.

(05 Apr 2020, 12:19 pm)Michael wrote [ -> ]Thanks for the update, hopefully means the darts are off the road for good.


Shame most routes can't be gas bus and newer Envrio ran, gonna be a long process to get all the buses taxed again (if they run out during not being used in service)... Sunderland only has a current PVR of 41 (would imagine around 6 spare buses?) so just tax the gas buses and newer Enviro's and get them out on the road.




South Shields PVR is now: 13 (think I've worked out it right) - they might as well merge it with Sunderland, and use South Shields to store the unused buses.

If South Shields is down to just 13, this could be managed by 37301-19 (not all obvs) but there are still plenty of 397xx out and about in the last week.

ifm001. Firstly can we forget about that message I sent you last time. Do you know which day they would use Shields depot to store some vehicles. Friend Robin

Nothing showing on the tracker for 52, 59 or 61 at Stockton last time I looked! And 34, 35 all messed up.

(05 Apr 2020, 10:55 pm)Robin57 wrote [ -> ]ifm001. Firstly can we forget about that message I sent you last time. Do you know which day they would use Shields depot to store some vehicles. Friend Robin

Nothing happening at the minute with buses been stored at South Shields, it was just a suggestion.

(05 Apr 2020, 10:55 pm)Robin57 wrote [ -> ]ifm001. Firstly can we forget about that message I sent you last time. Do you know which day they would use Shields depot to store some vehicles. Friend Robin

As Michael has stated Robin.  Nothing official is happening between Shields and Sunderland. It is purely a suggestion/speculation as to what could happen
You need to realise that those of us on this site are mainly enthusiasts as you. With a few people who are actual employers and can give further insight to suggestions and queries that we enthusiasts may have. 
Addressing points direct to individuals is not always appropriate as that member may or may not be the best person to answer the query.

Michael. Have only seen 36479, 39704/09 the morning the rest must still in the depot?

(07 Apr 2020, 10:37 am)Robin57 wrote [ -> ]Michael. Have only seen 36479, 39704/09 the morning the rest must still in the depot?

I would imagine so?, unless they've migrated else where in the world.

Michael. Do you want me to keep a look out for the others if so I will do that. Friend Robin

(07 Apr 2020, 11:32 am)Robin57 wrote [ -> ]Michael. Do you want me to keep a look out for the others if so I will do that. Friend Robin

up to you but Bustimes.org, will also keep me updated.

Michael. I shall do that for you?

(07 Apr 2020, 11:53 am)Robin57 wrote [ -> ]Michael. I shall do that for you?

How many times do you have to be told not to address posts to individuals and to conduct conversations by private messages?