(30 Mar 2023, 7:25 pm)streetdeckfan wrote [ -> ]Have there been any capacity issues at the reduced frequency?
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Honestly thats not really the point, and yeah a lot of the services X1/97/53/54/20/60/21
I've seen them all rammed, and its not just capacity, its the reliablity, look at the 97, if one was cancelled/broke down it would be a 30 mins wait, now under the 1 its a 40 mins wait, 20/60/53/54/X1 its not a 24 min wait, its a 30 min wait, and it might only be 6 mins but if two are off in a row, its 45 instead of 36.
And tbf all of these temp changes, everyone bar the 65 was temporary. If these routes were losing money why weren't they slashed on July 24th when everything else was changed.
I'm pretty sure when the X1 went back to every 15 minutes again, there was no mention of it being temporary.
(30 Mar 2023, 7:29 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Should never leave a bus service hourly. Anything below every 30 minutes is infrequent and undesirable unless it's a rural route in the wilds of nowhere like the Arriva X18 etc. If you finish work at 17:30 and the bus leaves at 17:27 it's a no go for example.
They should boost the X6 upto half hourly.
Maybe I'm selfish, but I'd rather be able to get home directly from Newcastle on the X21 after 5pm without having to change to an Arriva bus, or heck get home at all after 9pm like i used to be able to!
(30 Mar 2023, 7:35 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]Honestly thats not really the point, and yeah a lot of the services X1/97/53/54/20/60/21
I've seen them all rammed, and its not just capacity, its the reliablity, look at the 97, if one was cancelled/broke down it would be a 30 mins wait, now under the 1 its a 40 mins wait, 20/60/53/54/X1 its not a 24 min wait, its a 30 min wait, and it might only be 6 mins but if two are off in a row, its 45 instead of 36.
And tbf all of these temp changes, everyone bar the 65 was temporary. If these routes were losing money why weren't they slashed on July 24th when everything else was changed.
You have been told in the past that the majority are temporary and will be reinstated as/when staffing levels permit.
They are temporary changes until (or if) Go North East announces that they are permanent. The fact they haven’t announced these are permanent (unlike X9, X22 etc) suggests that GNE still has an ambition to reinstate the frequency.
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(31 Mar 2023, 4:21 am)Dan wrote [ -> ]You have been told in the past that the majority are temporary and will be reinstated as/when staffing levels permit.
They are temporary changes until (or if) Go North East announces that they are permanent. The fact they haven’t announced these are permanent (unlike X9, X22 etc) suggests that GNE still has an ambition to reinstate the frequency.
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Were the short X21s withdrawn temporarily or was that permanent? I would have thought the cove vinyls would have been changed if it was permanent.
Is there a complete list of services which are still on temporary timetables?
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(31 Mar 2023, 4:21 am)Dan wrote [ -> ]You have been told in the past that the majority are temporary and will be reinstated as/when staffing levels permit.
They are temporary changes until (or if) Go North East announces that they are permanent. The fact they haven’t announced these are permanent (unlike X9, X22 etc) suggests that GNE still has an ambition to reinstate the frequency.
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I hope your right.
But just for confirmation the X20 is totally cancelled apart from Sunderland - Doxford?
(30 Mar 2023, 7:35 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]Honestly thats not really the point, and yeah a lot of the services X1/97/53/54/20/60/21
I've seen them all rammed, and its not just capacity, its the reliablity, look at the 97, if one was cancelled/broke down it would be a 30 mins wait, now under the 1 its a 40 mins wait, 20/60/53/54/X1 its not a 24 min wait, its a 30 min wait, and it might only be 6 mins but if two are off in a row, its 45 instead of 36.
And tbf all of these temp changes, everyone bar the 65 was temporary. If these routes were losing money why weren't they slashed on July 24th when everything else was changed.
Same regurgitated nonsense as usual
(29 Mar 2023, 8:44 pm)Tiger5105 wrote [ -> ] (29 Mar 2023, 8:43 pm)Tiger5105 wrote [ -> ]Been stored in the VOR part of Hownsgill depot since the weekend. Not 100% sure but I think 6049/50 replaced them.
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Nice touch with the wheel planters
(30 Mar 2023, 7:33 pm)nova347 wrote [ -> ]The Tens seem to be really busy like. Same with the X1 whens that every 12 mins frequency coming back.
To be honest changing it back to every 12 minutes, means it awkward frequency on the Houghton to Peterlee section. Does the X1 need more capacity in any sections? I’m sure this forum has previously mooted ideas of shorts between Newcastle and Washington, but is it required?
(31 Mar 2023, 4:21 am)Dan wrote [ -> ]You have been told in the past that the majority are temporary and will be reinstated as/when staffing levels permit.
They are temporary changes until (or if) Go North East announces that they are permanent. The fact they haven’t announced these are permanent (unlike X9, X22 etc) suggests that GNE still has an ambition to reinstate the frequency.
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To be fair though I think many regular passengers would assume the majority of these are now permanent. Those temporary changes were put in place in September it’s April tomorrow. When does temporary become semi-permanent? Not having a go either as I appreciate you can’t run services without drivers, it’s better to reduce rather than having loads of cancelled runs.
I would also just say that there’s nothing on GNE’s timetable sections to suggest any services are temporary reduced. For instance the 12 was amended in January, but the frequency isn’t even briefly mentioned as been temporarily reduced… And what about the 97? It was temporary reduced to every 20 minutes, in the meantime it’s been absorbed into the 1, which runs every 20 minutes, so really that temporary change is permanent? Or as permanent as it gets at the moment surely?
(31 Mar 2023, 7:21 am)streetdeckfan wrote [ -> ]Were the short X21s withdrawn temporarily or was that permanent? I would have thought the cove vinyls would have been changed if it was permanent.
Is there a complete list of services which are still on temporary timetables?
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The 3rd September temporary reductions:
8, 10A/10B, 12, 39, 53/54, 57, 60, 65, 97 - frequency drops
X20 - withdrawn
51/52 - route cut from Newcastle.
AFAIK - none of the above have ever been confirmed permanent.
(31 Mar 2023, 9:08 am)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]I hope your right.
But just for confirmation the X20 is totally cancelled apart from Sunderland - Doxford?
Was that officially confirmed by the operator?
(31 Mar 2023, 3:01 pm)Drifter60 wrote [ -> ]The 3rd September temporary reductions:
8, 10A/10B, 12, 39, 53/54, 57, 60, 65, 97 - frequency drops
X20 - withdrawn
51/52 - route cut from Newcastle.
AFAIK - none of the above have ever been confirmed permanent.
Was that officially confirmed by the operator?
With the X20/39 the branding has been moved, and for the X20 the vehicles have actually been sold.
Also when the 20 was 12 to 15, and now is Permanent GNE never told anyone that it was permanent.
(31 Mar 2023, 3:01 pm)Drifter60 wrote [ -> ]The 3rd September temporary reductions:
8, 10A/10B, 12, 39, 53/54, 57, 60, 65, 97 - frequency drops
X20 - withdrawn
51/52 - route cut from Newcastle.
AFAIK - none of the above have ever been confirmed permanent.
Weren't there still temporary reductions from way back which haven't been made permanent?
"Does the X1 need more capacity in any sections? I’m sure this forum has previously mooted ideas of shorts between Newcastle and Washington, but is it required?"
The Newcastle to Washington section can be pretty busy, even off peak, but that tends to happen when there has been disruption to the service. Probably far better for the actual timetabled services to all run as planned than overstretch, though I can see the potential benefit of peak shorts and matchday duplicates.
(31 Mar 2023, 3:16 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]With the X20/39 the branding has been moved, and for the X20 the vehicles have actually been sold.
Also when the 20 was 12 to 15, and now is Permanent GNE never told anyone that it was permanent.
The X20 vehicles were money pits in terms of both fuel and maintenance.
(31 Mar 2023, 3:16 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]With the X20/39 the branding has been moved, and for the X20 the vehicles have actually been sold.
Also when the 20 was 12 to 15, and now is Permanent GNE never told anyone that it was permanent.
Because it is still a "temporary" reduction - once the position on funding post 30th June and once it is clear how passenger number are settling down I'm sure that decisions will be made.
(31 Mar 2023, 4:03 pm)BusLoverMum wrote [ -> ]
The X20 vehicles were money pits in terms of both fuel and maintenance.
So why was it upgraded from Solos to Citaros?
(31 Mar 2023, 4:25 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]So why was it upgraded from Solos to Citaros?
I believe it was due to when the X20 was extended to Langley Park
(31 Mar 2023, 4:31 pm)KingSlayerRBLX wrote [ -> ]I believe it was due to when the X20 was extended to Langley Park
The Solos went to Langley Park afaik as the X6 lost Xlines Branding
(31 Mar 2023, 4:02 pm)streetdeckfan wrote [ -> ]Weren't there still temporary reductions from way back which haven't been made permanent?
(31 Mar 2023, 3:16 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]With the X20/39 the branding has been moved, and for the X20 the vehicles have actually been sold.
Also when the 20 was 12 to 15, and now is Permanent GNE never told anyone that it was permanent.
I think perhaps the only other temporary reduction was the 20? There’s that many different changes though! Yeah you might be right, I’m not sure if the change from every 12 to every 15 was ever classed as permanent. Only other one that springs to mind is the 21 but I think when the 7-8 minute frequency was dropped, I think that was branded as a permanent move.
THats why I think the 20 was made permanent or I classed it as when Every 15 Mins was added to the brand