(24 Jul 2022, 10:06 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]See I think your looking at the numbers too easily especially those 2 routes. It's not just really about the number of passengers on board and any point.
Just to pick the 56 as it's a good one for it.
You might only have 20 people on board leaving Newcastle, which seems low but in reality what's happening is.
20 Boarded Newcastle / 15 Left Old Durham Road, 20 Boarded Old Durham Road / 15 Left at Wrekenton, 10 Boarded at Wrekenton / 10 Left at Concord, 15 Boarded Concord / 20 Left Nissan, 5 Boarded Nissan / 10 Left Southwick, 20 Boarded Southwick
which is a total of 90 PAX over the journey.
Compare that to the say the 55. You might have 25 leaving Sunderland and seems to be busy. Catch 22 it picks up 4 people the whole next hour and it's dead by Peterlee.
Total pax for that journey is only 29 and it's loss making.
Most the services being cut are falling under the 55 trap whereas the services which aren't 10/21/27/56/97 and so on have multiple destinations.
I feel like the 27, 60 is also a good example, 27 Newcastle/Gateshead > Hebburn > Jarrow > South Sheilds
You have people going from Hebburn to Jarrow, Sheilds & Newcastle/Gateshead. There are many places on the route for people to get on get off.
The 60, according to when bus times was tracking 60, you would have people coming from Parkside/Dawdon to Seaham, but also from Seaham to Deneside/Ryhope, then you have people from Parkside/Dawdon/Seaham/Deneside/Ryhope going all the way through.
I think the 55 was just over-competed, it was an extra buses which was only used for people going to Easington/Peterlee from Sunderland or on the A690 but then you had the 62 which was more reliable and took roughly the same time
The last time I caught the 55, it filled to the gills in Houghton then was empty by South Hetton. I reckon a lot of people relied on it for short local journeys.
(24 Jul 2022, 10:23 pm)BusLoverMum wrote [ -> ]The last time I caught the 55, it filled to the gills in Houghton then was empty by South Hetton. I reckon a lot of people relied on it for short local journeys.
I've seen many (particularly those with passes) travelling between the Coalfields and Sunderland will get one bus there and two back - generally a quicker and more frequent 20 - to Houghton and then the first one from Houghton to Hetton etc
Looks like 8344 is on the QA/QB today, I take it the batch has ended up like this:
8339 - 42 - Washington
8343 - 46 - Percy Main
(24 Jul 2022, 9:52 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]I agree as someone who gets the 4/8/78/60/X20/65/50 quite often it certainly does especially on the X20 as the Citaro layout is quite bad.
Because I was thinking about this, on a route which takes 60 mins, you need atleast around 15-20 passengers, say they all pay avg. £1.50,
10 - £15
12 - £18
15 - £22.50
20 - £30
£15 say driver gets paid £12, £3 for fuel/bus insurance probs won't make money, where as as it gets to 12-20 people per bus per hour it will.
I look at the 55/62, they are 60 mins, and 75 mins, if they got them down to 40 mins and 60 mins, needing only a PVR of 3 & 2. But aswell It shocks me with the 62 taking 75 mins, why didn't they extend it upto Parkside, or through Tunstall/Leechmere to get it to 90 mins to try and get the most passengers possible
Why would they extend the 62 to parkside just to go back on itself? If people wanted to get it that desperately then they could just get the 60 to dawdon or the harbour which basically stops on their front doors.
(25 Jul 2022, 8:58 am)ALavery wrote [ -> ]Why would they extend the 62 to parkside just to go back on itself? If people wanted to get it that desperately then they could just get the 60 to dawdon or the harbour which basically stops on their front doors.
Yeah it would, but it would also be a connection to Dalton Park, peterlee & easington which doesn't exist and not want to pay and extra £1.80
(25 Jul 2022, 8:44 am)Michael wrote [ -> ]Looks like 8344 is on the QA/QB today, I take it the batch has ended up like this:
8339 - 42 - Washington
8343 - 46 - Percy Main
8339/42 are on the 34 which I believe is still at Chester. Washington seem to have 8294-98 and 8319-8328 which seems like a lot of Versa's for a PVR of 7 across the 25/28/29.
Seems X71 & X72 will operate sometimes with streetdecks
(25 Jul 2022, 10:07 am)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]Yeah it would, but it would also be a connection to Dalton Park, peterlee & easington which doesn't exist and not want to pay and extra £1.80
Or you could just walk to the top? Realistically next to no one would use it when they have the 60 as an option or a ten minute walk to the harbour. When they’re saying that there’s not enough passengers to cover the fuel costs, spending even more on fuel with no increase in passengers to fund it means it’d be bound to go bust anyway…
S&D Violets all on the 61 now
(25 Jul 2022, 10:13 am)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]Seems X71 & X72 will operate sometimes with streetdecks
X71 is gonna be a tree basher, not long till they are gone
Overheard the supervisor at Metrocentre telling a customer that A-ha Distribution are no longer putting the timetables in the rack there. Which is rather unfortunate given the number of people he had to fend off asking what the new times are.
(25 Jul 2022, 10:07 am)peter wrote [ -> ]8339/42 are on the 34 which I believe is still at Chester. Washington seem to have 8294-98 and 8319-8328 which seems like a lot of Versa's for a PVR of 7 across the 25/28/29.
Ye it does, wonder where they'll end up?
(25 Jul 2022, 10:07 am)peter wrote [ -> ]8339/42 are on the 34 which I believe is still at Chester. Washington seem to have 8294-98 and 8319-8328 which seems like a lot of Versa's for a PVR of 7 across the 25/28/29.
it is only 15.
And lets face it, there will be atleast 2-4 off at a time, so that say 10, then there is usally 2-3 on the 8, so thats 13. So really there are 4 which should provide cover for other washington services.
Not to mention the two versa's on the X1
(25 Jul 2022, 10:47 am)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]it is only 15.
And lets face it, there will be atleast 2-4 off at a time, so that say 10, then there is usally 2-3 on the 8, so thats 13. So really there are 4 which should provide cover for other washington services.
Not to mention the two versa's on the X1
8295 is currently on the 4, so you are probably right about having versas as spares.
Tbh there hasn't been the great swathe of allocation changes and repaints from these service changes that we might have expected. Perhaps GNE are holding off until things settle in, or maybe the next round of changes is already in the pipeline.
(25 Jul 2022, 10:13 am)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]Seems X71 & X72 will operate sometimes with streetdecks
It's temporary imo.
There's 5 MMC's off the road and 2 B9TL's off the road today. No doubt wherever they will go will send spares back in the opposite direction for the Consett services.
I still think it'll involve the 57 or 58. It's noticeable that the 57 has a full Euro 5 Double Decker allocation today bar 1 Streetlite.
Riverside seems to be:
6/12/51/52 - Streetlites
49/49A/67/69 - Versas
57 - Any DD Going
10/10A/10B/27/93/94/58(Minus 1 there's not enough) - B9TL
(25 Jul 2022, 10:07 am)peter wrote [ -> ]8339/42 are on the 34 which I believe is still at Chester. Washington seem to have 8294-98 and 8319-8328 which seems like a lot of Versa's for a PVR of 7 across the 25/28/29.
8294-96/98 are on loan to L&G Coaches who are running Washington work for Go North East.
Likewise 5285 at A-line Coaches.
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(25 Jul 2022, 10:43 am)DeltaMan wrote [ -> ]Overheard the supervisor at Metrocentre telling a customer that A-ha Distribution are no longer putting the timetables in the rack there. Which is rather unfortunate given the number of people he had to fend off asking what the new times are.
I did wonder if printed timetables would be another casualty of the recent changes...sounds like might be the case? Combined with Stagecoach's woeful attempt (printing timetables for Newcastle services but then making them literally impossible to get hold of, on vehicles or off) - looks like we're moving backwards here.
(25 Jul 2022, 11:28 am)peter wrote [ -> ]Tbh there hasn't been the great swathe of allocation changes and repaints from these service changes that we might have expected. Perhaps GNE are holding off until things settle in, or maybe the next round of changes is already in the pipeline.
Will be fun seeing Red Kites (featured on the livery) flying through Bishop Auckland and West Auckland!
To be honest, probably a sensible move from GNE.
(25 Jul 2022, 4:55 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote [ -> ]I did wonder if printed timetables would be another casualty of the recent changes...sounds like might be the case? Combined with Stagecoach's woeful attempt (printing timetables for Newcastle services but then making them literally impossible to get hold of, on vehicles or off) - looks like we're moving backwards here.
Maybe the delay in Tenders getting awarded (think only a couple of weeks ago in Durham's case) and this been rather close to start date, they are still getting proof checked and printed?