(15 Sep 2013, 4:57 pm)aureolin wrote There's something that's always intrigued me. Why do you quite often see services that are yet to terminate but not far from the terminus, with the incorrect destination blind set? This photo below for example:
Photo credit: Sean Harris.
I've notice this happens quite often with buses passing through Blackett Street onwards to Eldon Square bus station. It only ever seems to be specific services that do it, which made me think it could perhaps be automated and not working correctly? Seen this on the X1, X9/X10, 10, and 21 through Newcastle, the 2A/2C in Washington, and the 2A/2C/56 in Sunderland.
(15 Sep 2013, 5:03 pm)W179SCU wrote I've seen bus drivers change there blinds as early as Gateshead. I saw a X21 depart Gateshead with it's blind already set for Bishop!
(15 Sep 2013, 5:09 pm)big mac wrote When buses used to use West Street northbound rather than the Interchange to set down in Gateshead and before digital displays, it was standard practice for the drivers to alter the destination display there.
(15 Sep 2013, 5:12 pm)gtomlinson wrote Why do you ask this Aureolin?
Have you missed a bus from John Dobson Street to Eldon Square because it was blinded up for the new destination you lazy git?
(15 Sep 2013, 5:41 pm)aureolin wrote Even though the bus terminates at Newcastle? If the blind is set too early, the Newcastle to Bishop X21 in the example above would technically be off route as it's going the wrong way.
(15 Sep 2013, 4:57 pm)aureolin wrote There's something that's always intrigued me. Why do you quite often see services that are yet to terminate but not far from the terminus, with the incorrect destination blind set? This photo below for example:it's so obvious that it's hardly worth commenting on, the destination display is set ready for the next journey when the driver gets a chance so it arrives at Eldon Square (or wherever) showing correct details for awaiting passengers. It happens everywhere all the time.
Photo credit: Sean Harris.
I've notice this happens quite often with buses passing through Blackett Street onwards to Eldon Square bus station. It only ever seems to be specific services that do it, which made me think it could perhaps be automated and not working correctly? Seen this on the X1, X9/X10, 10, and 21 through Newcastle, the 2A/2C in Washington, and the 2A/2C/56 in Sunderland.
(15 Sep 2013, 5:47 pm)AdamY wrote Although this may well be common practice among bus drivers if, say, the Traffic Commissioner observed a driver doing this, would it contstitute an offence?
(15 Sep 2013, 5:51 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Could anyone (Traffic Commissioner or otherwise) really have any quarrel with the blinds being reset as in the example given? The vehicles are about to turn into Eldon Square Bus Station - no more possible stops en route, what's the problem? Better this than two Angels pulling on stand both showing Newcastle as their destination.
(15 Sep 2013, 5:47 pm)Greg in Weardale wrote it's so obvious that it's hardly worth commenting on, the destination display is set ready for the next journey when the driver gets a chance so it arrives at Eldon Square (or wherever) showing correct details for awaiting passengers. It happens everywhere all the time.
(15 Sep 2013, 5:46 pm)gtomlinson wrote Not really as once it leaves Gateshead its unlikely to pick up any passengers. I think your creating an issue that doesn't exist (that isn't meant to sound smarmy!)
(15 Sep 2013, 5:55 pm)AdamY wrote I'm not arguing about the reasons behind it which are indeed obvious and sound, but rather the semantics and whether or not it is technically wrong.
I guess I'm just curious that's all!
(15 Sep 2013, 5:51 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Could anyone (Traffic Commissioner or otherwise) really have any quarrel with the blinds being reset as in the example given? The vehicles are about to turn into Eldon Square Bus Station - no more possible stops en route, what's the problem? Better this than two Angels pulling on stand both showing Newcastle as their destination.
(15 Sep 2013, 6:07 pm)GuyParkRoyal wrote The destination blind on the Angel 21 should be changed before departing from the bus stop at the foot of John Dobson Street as south bound customers are allowed to board the bus at this stop. This is also noted on the route map at the foot of the Angel 21 timetable. Although the bus enters Eldon Square the route north from Gateshead and returning to Gateshead is considered a circular route.
(15 Sep 2013, 6:04 pm)aureolin wrote It's just something that I decided to post merely on an observation. The image example that I posted was perhaps a bad example, but a better one may be that I've caught the 2C a number of times from Wear Industrial Estate at Washington, and it's already had "Sunderland" set. Despite it being headed towards the Galleries. The only pattern is that it tends to be when the bus is running considerably late.
(15 Sep 2013, 7:19 pm)citaro5284 wrote Where have you read the destination is linked to the ETM - It isn't, the destination has nothing to do with the ticket machine or the data the ETM holds.
(15 Sep 2013, 6:04 pm)aureolin wrote ... it's always shown on my Key card as me boarding a bus towards Sunderland. My understanding was that the blinds and ticket machine worked independent of each other, so technically speaking, both would have to be adjusted to be set up for the 'next trip' if you like...As soon as a driver has passed the last possible boarding point for that trip, he'll reset the ticket machine ready for the start of the next trip, or log out of the ticket machine if the bus is finishing. Equally, as soon as the driver has passed the last possible boarding point for that trip, and before the first possible boarding point of the next trip, he'll reset the blind (both, of course, when it's safe to do so!).
(15 Sep 2013, 8:00 pm)eezypeazy wrote As soon as a driver has passed the last possible boarding point for that trip, he'll reset the ticket machine ready for the start of the next trip, or log out of the ticket machine if the bus is finishing. Equally, as soon as the driver has passed the last possible boarding point for that trip, and before the first possible boarding point of the next trip, he'll reset the blind (both, of course, when it's safe to do so!).
Personally, I think it's important to do the blind well before you reach a bus station such as Eldon Square - eg., GNE 31 and 11 interwork, as do 47 and 32. Imagine the chaos if a Toonlink arrived showing "Newcastle 32", pulled on to a stand and then became "Blackhall Mill 47".
On the question of resetting ticket machines... from what I've seen, it seems to be GNE practice that when a driver changeover happens during a service (at Blaydon, for example), the incoming driver collects any fares before signing out of the machine and swapping with his mate. Is this the norm with other operators, or do things vary from company to company (eg, Stagecoach on Stamfordham Road opposite Slatyford depot?).
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(15 Sep 2013, 6:07 pm)GuyParkRoyal wrote The destination blind on the Angel 21 should be changed before departing from the bus stop at the foot of John Dobson Street as south bound customers are allowed to board the bus at this stop. This is also noted on the route map at the foot of the Angel 21 timetable. Although the bus enters Eldon Square the route north from Gateshead and returning to Gateshead is considered a circular route.
(15 Sep 2013, 8:00 pm)eezypeazy wrote As soon as a driver has passed the last possible boarding point for that trip, he'll reset the ticket machine ready for the start of the next trip, or log out of the ticket machine if the bus is finishing. Equally, as soon as the driver has passed the last possible boarding point for that trip, and before the first possible boarding point of the next trip, he'll reset the blind (both, of course, when it's safe to do so!).
Personally, I think it's important to do the blind well before you reach a bus station such as Eldon Square - eg., GNE 31 and 11 interwork, as do 47 and 32. Imagine the chaos if a Toonlink arrived showing "Newcastle 32", pulled on to a stand and then became "Blackhall Mill 47".
On the question of resetting ticket machines... from what I've seen, it seems to be GNE practice that when a driver changeover happens during a service (at Blaydon, for example), the incoming driver collects any fares before signing out of the machine and swapping with his mate. Is this the norm with other operators, or do things vary from company to company (eg, Stagecoach on Stamfordham Road opposite Slatyford depot?).
(15 Sep 2013, 9:42 pm)CatsFast101 wrote I've got to agree, it's so confusing when a drifter Versa's pulls in a 42 City Centre then becomes 60 Parkside. And I've seen recently a driver pulled in as 2A Sunderland into Stand C at Park Lane then whilst pulled in turned into 61 Murton but no one saw and weren't going to board until I asked the driver and told passengers (I was aware of the Interworkings hence I asked the driver).
(16 Sep 2013, 6:51 am)Daniel wrote Conversely, drivers changing their destinations on Ryhope Road is just not acceptable - is it? I noted a few weeks back that I witnessed drivers changing their destination blinds (61 and 2A) at Southmoor School. I'd say there was another good 1.5 miles or so from that school to Park Lane - and there are 3-4 more stops along the way. Passengers know their service as "61 SUNDERLAND" not "2A WASHINGTON", so they're not going to stick their hands out.
I believe the pilot mentioned something similar, of drivers changing their destinations at The Cedars - just a minute or so away from Southmoor School.
Drivers usually get layover time, and (especially in the case of Gateshead Interchange or Park Lane Interchange) I do believe destinations should be changed whilst laying over. As we've already mentioned, this is not particularly appropriate at Eldon Sq as buses tend to go straight to their stands. In this case, at the final stop, a bus driver should stop and change his destination blind there. If the bus does not stop at Blackett Street, Percy Street whilst waiting at the traffic lights would also be appropriate. Changing as early as Gateshead (or even before then) just isn't acceptable really, in my eyes at least.
(16 Sep 2013, 8:05 am)citaro5284 wrote Who is saying the ticket machine is changed early.....blinds yes. Remember if a machine is changed early and the machine is set for the next trip, and a passenger boards and wants to buy a ticket, how can the driver issue a ticket - simple answer is they cannot. You also can see what time the first transaction was issued and the last (to the second), so if they have still changed their machine early you can still see if the service was late running. No data for late running services is manipulated using ETM's - some people would just like to think it does
(15 Sep 2013, 6:04 pm)aureolin wrote ... I've caught the 2C a number of times from Wear Industrial Estate at Washington, and it's already had "Sunderland" set. Despite it being headed towards the Galleries. The only pattern is that it tends to be when the bus is running considerably late.I think I may have an explanation of this....
...but in the above examples, it's always shown on my Key card as me boarding a bus towards Sunderland....