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06 Nov 2022, 9:11 pm
Tbh bus drivers need to get much much higher pay like 20/22 pound a hour at starting rate because the lives that they have to keep safe and just the general job is hard.
Lollist
06 Nov 2022, 9:11 pm #241

Tbh bus drivers need to get much much higher pay like 20/22 pound a hour at starting rate because the lives that they have to keep safe and just the general job is hard.

3570
06 Nov 2022, 9:16 pm
(06 Nov 2022, 9:11 pm)Lollist Tbh bus drivers need to get much much higher pay like 20/22 pound a hour at starting rate because the lives that they have to keep safe and just the general job is hard.
How do you expect bus companies to make any profit, or even survive.
Unber43
06 Nov 2022, 9:16 pm #242

(06 Nov 2022, 9:11 pm)Lollist Tbh bus drivers need to get much much higher pay like 20/22 pound a hour at starting rate because the lives that they have to keep safe and just the general job is hard.
How do you expect bus companies to make any profit, or even survive.

941
06 Nov 2022, 9:42 pm
(06 Nov 2022, 6:14 pm)Chris 1 I’m sure nurses got a minimum of £1,400 depending on their band, rather than 3%. They were never going to get the 15% or whatever it was they were  asking.

Good luck to the drivers. Manchester; Merseyside and Yorkshire all spring to mind as having decent, in my opinion, settlements recently, for one of the supposed more profitable parts of the Stagecoach bus empire I don’t think asking for  £13-£14  an hour is too outlandish.
I doubt that the Stagecoach operation in Sunderland is particularly profitable!!!!!
Whilst Busways Travel Services Ltd accounts always showed a very healthy profit, I suspect that routes like the 39/40 in Newcastle generated much of the profit.
busmanT
06 Nov 2022, 9:42 pm #243

(06 Nov 2022, 6:14 pm)Chris 1 I’m sure nurses got a minimum of £1,400 depending on their band, rather than 3%. They were never going to get the 15% or whatever it was they were  asking.

Good luck to the drivers. Manchester; Merseyside and Yorkshire all spring to mind as having decent, in my opinion, settlements recently, for one of the supposed more profitable parts of the Stagecoach bus empire I don’t think asking for  £13-£14  an hour is too outlandish.
I doubt that the Stagecoach operation in Sunderland is particularly profitable!!!!!
Whilst Busways Travel Services Ltd accounts always showed a very healthy profit, I suspect that routes like the 39/40 in Newcastle generated much of the profit.

255
06 Nov 2022, 9:51 pm
(06 Nov 2022, 9:42 pm)busmanT I doubt that the Stagecoach operation in Sunderland is particularly profitable!!!!!
Whilst Busways Travel Services Ltd accounts always showed a very healthy profit, I suspect that routes like the 39/40 in Newcastle generated much of the profit.

I was referring to Busways as a whole, though I take your point that some depots perform better than others.

That said, I still don’t think £13 odd an hour or whatever it is is unreasonable.
Chris 1
06 Nov 2022, 9:51 pm #244

(06 Nov 2022, 9:42 pm)busmanT I doubt that the Stagecoach operation in Sunderland is particularly profitable!!!!!
Whilst Busways Travel Services Ltd accounts always showed a very healthy profit, I suspect that routes like the 39/40 in Newcastle generated much of the profit.

I was referring to Busways as a whole, though I take your point that some depots perform better than others.

That said, I still don’t think £13 odd an hour or whatever it is is unreasonable.

193
06 Nov 2022, 9:58 pm
(06 Nov 2022, 9:16 pm)Unber43 How do you expect bus companies to make any profit, or even survive.
Ok fair enough 18p/h top rate but companies like Stagecoach are loaded and it orobs goes into 1 guys bank account half of it
Lollist
06 Nov 2022, 9:58 pm #245

(06 Nov 2022, 9:16 pm)Unber43 How do you expect bus companies to make any profit, or even survive.
Ok fair enough 18p/h top rate but companies like Stagecoach are loaded and it orobs goes into 1 guys bank account half of it

06 Nov 2022, 10:12 pm
I think £14 is as much as they'd get and that's pushing it.
omnicity4659
06 Nov 2022, 10:12 pm #246

I think £14 is as much as they'd get and that's pushing it.

4683
06 Nov 2022, 11:21 pm
(06 Nov 2022, 9:42 pm)busmanT I doubt that the Stagecoach operation in Sunderland is particularly profitable!!!!!
Whilst Busways Travel Services Ltd accounts always showed a very healthy profit, I suspect that routes like the 39/40 in Newcastle generated much of the profit.

As far as I'm aware Sunderland is quite a strong depot, they've got some strong areas especially North Sunderland which GNE has pretty much pulled out of now bar the token 35 and 56 which misses most of it and also Hendon and most the council areas to the West of Sunderland like Pallion etc.

I believe it's the reason they pulled the E's across as they made money so they could make South Shields a low cost depot (the problem depot for Busways if there's any).

It's the same as Arriva Stockton and Stagecoach Stockton which are both strong for similar reasons, Arriva Durham County has always been the stronger of the two up here and it isn't coming from the likes of the 49/49A/56/57/58 at Durham.
Storx
06 Nov 2022, 11:21 pm #247

(06 Nov 2022, 9:42 pm)busmanT I doubt that the Stagecoach operation in Sunderland is particularly profitable!!!!!
Whilst Busways Travel Services Ltd accounts always showed a very healthy profit, I suspect that routes like the 39/40 in Newcastle generated much of the profit.

As far as I'm aware Sunderland is quite a strong depot, they've got some strong areas especially North Sunderland which GNE has pretty much pulled out of now bar the token 35 and 56 which misses most of it and also Hendon and most the council areas to the West of Sunderland like Pallion etc.

I believe it's the reason they pulled the E's across as they made money so they could make South Shields a low cost depot (the problem depot for Busways if there's any).

It's the same as Arriva Stockton and Stagecoach Stockton which are both strong for similar reasons, Arriva Durham County has always been the stronger of the two up here and it isn't coming from the likes of the 49/49A/56/57/58 at Durham.

07 Nov 2022, 12:14 am
I think parity with other depots is a problem as well. Stagecoach Sunderland drivers would still be behind the drivers at Walkergate even if they accepted this current deal, which is ridiculous as the cost of living is identical in either area. Likewise Arriva drivers in the North East are way behind (almost £2.50/hr) what their compatriots in Liverpool earn, again despite no difference in the cost of living stakes.
Driver9***
07 Nov 2022, 12:14 am #248

I think parity with other depots is a problem as well. Stagecoach Sunderland drivers would still be behind the drivers at Walkergate even if they accepted this current deal, which is ridiculous as the cost of living is identical in either area. Likewise Arriva drivers in the North East are way behind (almost £2.50/hr) what their compatriots in Liverpool earn, again despite no difference in the cost of living stakes.

915
07 Nov 2022, 7:51 am
(07 Nov 2022, 12:14 am)Driver9*** I think parity with other depots is a problem as well. Stagecoach Sunderland drivers would still be behind the drivers at Walkergate even if they accepted this current deal, which is ridiculous as the cost of living is identical in either area. Likewise Arriva drivers in the North East are way behind (almost £2.50/hr) what their compatriots in Liverpool earn, again despite no difference in the cost of living stakes.
According to the literature plastered around the depot, after 6 months we'd be 11p/hr behind Newcastle, and also we'd be behind Shields. This is fine though because in 2017, Sunderland accepted extra holiday allowance over a pay rise. Go figure.

However, I believe currently the pay gap between Sunderland and Newcastle is much larger.
F114TML
07 Nov 2022, 7:51 am #249

(07 Nov 2022, 12:14 am)Driver9*** I think parity with other depots is a problem as well. Stagecoach Sunderland drivers would still be behind the drivers at Walkergate even if they accepted this current deal, which is ridiculous as the cost of living is identical in either area. Likewise Arriva drivers in the North East are way behind (almost £2.50/hr) what their compatriots in Liverpool earn, again despite no difference in the cost of living stakes.
According to the literature plastered around the depot, after 6 months we'd be 11p/hr behind Newcastle, and also we'd be behind Shields. This is fine though because in 2017, Sunderland accepted extra holiday allowance over a pay rise. Go figure.

However, I believe currently the pay gap between Sunderland and Newcastle is much larger.

07 Nov 2022, 8:19 am
Drivers don't get paid when they're on strike do they?

I wonder at what point they would have been better off financially taking the lower offer than losing money striking.

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streetdeckfan
07 Nov 2022, 8:19 am #250

Drivers don't get paid when they're on strike do they?

I wonder at what point they would have been better off financially taking the lower offer than losing money striking.

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915
07 Nov 2022, 12:31 pm
(07 Nov 2022, 8:19 am)streetdeckfan Drivers don't get paid when they're on strike do they?

I wonder at what point they would have been better off financially taking the lower offer than losing money striking.

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Not by the company, unless you're on the sick and went on the sick before the strike.
F114TML
07 Nov 2022, 12:31 pm #251

(07 Nov 2022, 8:19 am)streetdeckfan Drivers don't get paid when they're on strike do they?

I wonder at what point they would have been better off financially taking the lower offer than losing money striking.

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Not by the company, unless you're on the sick and went on the sick before the strike.

255
07 Nov 2022, 12:40 pm
(07 Nov 2022, 8:19 am)streetdeckfan Drivers don't get paid when they're on strike do they?

I wonder at what point they would have been better off financially taking the lower offer than losing money striking.

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Unite drivers were getting £70 per day from the union in strikes elsewhere recently, not sure what GMB members get.
Chris 1
07 Nov 2022, 12:40 pm #252

(07 Nov 2022, 8:19 am)streetdeckfan Drivers don't get paid when they're on strike do they?

I wonder at what point they would have been better off financially taking the lower offer than losing money striking.

Sent from my SM-F721B using Tapatalk

Unite drivers were getting £70 per day from the union in strikes elsewhere recently, not sure what GMB members get.

07 Nov 2022, 4:32 pm
(07 Nov 2022, 12:40 pm)Chris 1 Unite drivers were getting £70 per day from the union in strikes elsewhere recently, not sure what GMB members get.

How does that work in terms of tax?
streetdeckfan
07 Nov 2022, 4:32 pm #253

(07 Nov 2022, 12:40 pm)Chris 1 Unite drivers were getting £70 per day from the union in strikes elsewhere recently, not sure what GMB members get.

How does that work in terms of tax?

915
07 Nov 2022, 4:38 pm
(07 Nov 2022, 4:32 pm)streetdeckfan How does that work in terms of tax?
If it's anything like the payment from GMB we got after the 5 days, it's not taxable - we just got a cheque so presumably it's classed as a gift.
F114TML
07 Nov 2022, 4:38 pm #254

(07 Nov 2022, 4:32 pm)streetdeckfan How does that work in terms of tax?
If it's anything like the payment from GMB we got after the 5 days, it's not taxable - we just got a cheque so presumably it's classed as a gift.

255
07 Nov 2022, 4:43 pm
(07 Nov 2022, 4:38 pm)F114TML If it's anything like the payment from GMB we got after the 5 days, it's not taxable - we just got a cheque so presumably it's classed as a gift.

Yeah, I think it's non-taxable as it's not income.
Chris 1
07 Nov 2022, 4:43 pm #255

(07 Nov 2022, 4:38 pm)F114TML If it's anything like the payment from GMB we got after the 5 days, it's not taxable - we just got a cheque so presumably it's classed as a gift.

Yeah, I think it's non-taxable as it's not income.

915
11 Nov 2022, 3:59 pm
So the strike action next week looks to be cancelled, this is due to an offer going to ballot that week - the union are not making a recommendation on it. A rejection would result in further strikes starting the 22nd.
F114TML
11 Nov 2022, 3:59 pm #256

So the strike action next week looks to be cancelled, this is due to an offer going to ballot that week - the union are not making a recommendation on it. A rejection would result in further strikes starting the 22nd.

11 Nov 2022, 11:26 pm
(06 Nov 2022, 9:11 pm)Lollist Tbh bus drivers need to get much much higher pay like 20/22 pound a hour at starting rate because the lives that they have to keep safe and just the general job is hard.
Husband would forget that he hates driving for that money.
BusLoverMum
11 Nov 2022, 11:26 pm #257

(06 Nov 2022, 9:11 pm)Lollist Tbh bus drivers need to get much much higher pay like 20/22 pound a hour at starting rate because the lives that they have to keep safe and just the general job is hard.
Husband would forget that he hates driving for that money.

3977
12 Nov 2022, 1:45 pm
(11 Nov 2022, 11:26 pm)BusLoverMum Husband would forget that he hates driving for that money.

As a PSV license holder, £20-22 per hour would probably be enough to tempt me back into the industry. 

£12.83 doesn't really float my boat though
MurdnunoC
12 Nov 2022, 1:45 pm #258

(11 Nov 2022, 11:26 pm)BusLoverMum Husband would forget that he hates driving for that money.

As a PSV license holder, £20-22 per hour would probably be enough to tempt me back into the industry. 

£12.83 doesn't really float my boat though

19181
16 Nov 2022, 8:07 pm
Apparently the new pay deal has been rejected.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
16 Nov 2022, 8:07 pm #259

Apparently the new pay deal has been rejected.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

915
17 Nov 2022, 5:34 am
Approx. 70% against vs 30% for. Quite a few non votes. Strikes to continue therefore and we're probably in for a long haul as the company stated it was a "full and final" offer.
F114TML
17 Nov 2022, 5:34 am #260

Approx. 70% against vs 30% for. Quite a few non votes. Strikes to continue therefore and we're probably in for a long haul as the company stated it was a "full and final" offer.

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