I didn't realise any SC Sunderland bus went into Park Lane, I thought they only came in when theyd been in an accident like someone broke a window or driver needed the toilet.

However there is a 16 board which pulls into Park lane once a day, anyone know why this is?

(20 Oct 2023, 7:30 am)Unber43 wrote I didn't realise any SC Sunderland bus went into Park Lane, I thought they only came in when theyd been in an accident like someone broke a window or driver needed the toilet.

However there is a 16 board which pulls into Park lane once a day, anyone know why this is?

I’m not sure if there are still other services or if it’s just the 16 now (but there certainly used to be others), but they terminate at Park Lane on a night before continuing to the north Sunderland estates at around 23:00.

This is historical for Sunderland, and the tradition is believed to have had roots to the days of tram operation in Sunderland. Back then, there would be a line-up of trams in Fawcett Street waiting for the whistle to send some northwards towards Southwick, Fulwell and Seaburn and some southwards towards Villette Road, Grangetown, Durham Road or Kayll Road.

This continued into the 1970s when the point inspector in the Central Bus Station would blow their whistle spot on 11pm and every last bus would shut its doors and race to the outer estates and back to either Hylton Road or Fulwell depots and in later years the Wheatsheaf.

A photo back in 2014 of service 13:
https://flic.kr/p/o39R8e


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The E's used to go in all day when did that stop?

(20 Oct 2023, 7:46 am)Unber43 wrote The E's used to go in all day when did that stop?

Didn't the E service leave from the old bus station - there certainly did back in the 80s

X1 runs to and from Park Lane.

(20 Oct 2023, 8:42 am)ifm001 wrote X1 runs to and from Park Lane.

Only runs from park lane

(20 Oct 2023, 7:46 am)Unber43 wrote The E's used to go in all day when did that stop?

I think it was about May 2017. I only remember that as it's when I started working for GNE and it meant I had to walk to Fawcett Street to get my bus home, the E1, rather than getting it in Park Lane.

Pretty sure when the 4 and 13 changes happen
Next month the last 13 will do the same

13 always done it but once a week

(20 Oct 2023, 10:51 am)deanmachine wrote I think it was about May 2017. I only remember that as it's when I started working for GNE and it meant I had to walk to Fawcett Street to get my bus home, the E1, rather than getting it in Park Lane.

That'll be about right, i had to get a party costume for my sons 5th birthday party from Sunderland, and i'd  get off the Metro at Sunderland but get back on at Park Lane, and the E's were running into the Interchange back then, would of been end of March/ early April

(24 Oct 2023, 2:59 pm)V514DFT wrote That'll be about right, i had to get a party costume for my sons 5th birthday party from Sunderland, and i'd  get off the Metro at Sunderland but get back on at Park Lane, and the E's were running into the Interchange back then, would of been end of March/ early April

You can't just leave it at that. 

We need to know more about this party costume.

Looking back at old timetables, it was the June 2027 changes when the Es were curtailed at Fawcett Street (4 June 2017)

June 2027? Did you use a time machine or something?

(24 Oct 2023, 7:48 pm)Andreos1 wrote You can't just leave it at that. 

We need to know more about this party costume.

Lol, it was a Thor party costume, my sons favourite character was Thor at the time

When Park Lane Interchange first opened in May 1999 pretty much every Stagecoach service stopped there on their southbound run, with northbound service stopping in Vine Place.

Does anyone know when they stopped serving the interchange?


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Didn't want to pay nexus for every bus.

(28 Oct 2023, 6:43 pm)GrahamD83 wrote When Park Lane Interchange first opened in May 1999 pretty much every Stagecoach service stopped there on their southbound run, with northbound service stopping in Vine Place.

Does anyone know when they stopped serving the interchange?


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To avoid having to pay the fees to Nexus to use the station.  They do the same in Newcastle etc with most buses using Blackett Street etc instead of Eldon Square or the Haymarket.

(01 Nov 2023, 6:44 pm)big mac wrote To avoid having to pay the fees to Nexus to use the station.  They do the same in Newcastle etc with most buses using Blackett Street etc instead of Eldon Square or the Haymarket.

What i never understood about this at the time, and even now.  For years Stagecoach/Busways jad used the Central Bus Station in Sunderland which was either PTE/Nexus managed just the same, but rhey never pulled out of there.   Park Lane was purely on the wrong place and the fees was a 'reason' to pull out.

Anyone have the old timetables off 2021, tried to use Wayback Machine but it wont work as you need to search the service it doesnt give you a list

(01 Nov 2023, 7:20 pm)Unber43 wrote Anyone have the old timetables off 2021, tried to use Wayback Machine but it wont work as you need to search the service it doesnt give you a list

Nexus, usually works for timetables but it can be buggy (on wayback)

Thanks! Ill give it a shot

(01 Nov 2023, 6:47 pm)ifm001 wrote What i never understood about this at the time, and even now.  For years Stagecoach/Busways jad used the Central Bus Station in Sunderland which was either PTE/Nexus managed just the same, but rhey never pulled out of there.   Park Lane was purely on the wrong place and the fees was a 'reason' to pull out.

Maybe they had a contract that was up when the station was demolished. I remember getting the buses from there when they were PTE owned the Busways employee owned. Maybe its a " stagecoach" cost cutting measure as loads of busways buses used Eldon square bus station when it was under neither eldon square and i dont think many use the new one except x47 x88?

(03 Nov 2023, 4:16 pm)Rob44 wrote Maybe they had a contract that was up when the station was demolished. I remember getting the buses from there when they were PTE owned the Busways employee owned. Maybe its a " stagecoach" cost cutting measure as loads of busways buses used Eldon square bus station when it was under neither eldon square and i dont think many use the new one except x47 x88?

Still quite a few use new one.

But all expresses mainly

X47, X77, X78, X79, X82, X87, X88 amd 685

Heard a rumour that E1, E2, & E6 are changing route numbers to 21, 22, & 26 , can anyone confirm or quash this rumour please

(12 Jan 2024, 10:40 pm)Retro Nero wrote Heard a rumour that E1, E2, & E6 are changing route numbers to 21, 22,  & 26 , can anyone confirm or quash this rumour please

i know there becoming double decker service 
proof:https://www.route-one.net/news/52-more-battery-electric-buses-for-north-east-england/
gne , arrive and stagecoach are getting electric buses

No there not. It literally says in the Article "The largest benefactor will be Stagecoach North East. It is to receive 20 single-deckers for routes E1, E2 and E6 between Sunderland and South Shields."

(12 Jan 2024, 10:40 pm)Retro Nero wrote Heard a rumour that E1, E2, & E6 are changing route numbers to 21, 22,  & 26 , can anyone confirm or quash this rumour please

I don't know the answer but I'd be very very surprised if they renumbered the E6 the 26. You'd literally have two 26's running between South Shields and Chichester. That would be a stupid decision of epic proportions.

(12 Jan 2024, 10:40 pm)Retro Nero wrote Heard a rumour that E1, E2, & E6 are changing route numbers to 21, 22,  & 26 , can anyone confirm or quash this rumour please

Would make more sense to change them to 1, 2 and 6 as apart from the weekend early journeys in Shields, those numbers aren't used by Stagecoach in either area currently though I don't see why they'd bother, they've been Es for about 4 decades

(12 Jan 2024, 10:40 pm)Retro Nero wrote Heard a rumour that E1, E2, & E6 are changing route numbers to 21, 22,  & 26 , can anyone confirm or quash this rumour please

I hope it’s just a rumour. The ‘E’ is a nod to Economic, as many will know. Shame SNE couldn’t bring back the livery .

(13 Jan 2024, 8:06 am)Economic505 wrote I hope it’s just a rumour. The ‘E’ is a nod to Economic, as many will know. Shame SNE couldn’t bring back the livery .

Hopefully they might, when the electric buses arrive.