(18 Apr 2016, 9:01 pm)LeeCalder wrote One of my major gripes is drivers (particularly Prince Bishops drivers, although a lot of Arriva drivers do so as well) leaving the bus where the drop off point is and causing a massive tailback.
(18 Apr 2016, 9:17 pm)Michael wrote Durham just needs a better bus station.. Shame its not part of the development.
(18 Apr 2016, 9:21 pm)Adrian wrote Agree Michael, but it needs to be part of a wider North Road development. North Road is an absolute hole at the minute, so it's pointless giving it a shiny new bus station, at least until things change.
(18 Apr 2016, 8:53 pm)Adrian wrote That doesn't help matters like.
Neither does late buses not being able to get on to stands, because other buses have been left there unmanned. It caused a bit of chaos with quite a bit running off timetable.
(18 Apr 2016, 9:11 pm)Adrian wrote It used to be a case that the two layover stands at the entrance, were allocated specifically for the use of the ANE 7 and GNE 21. If that's still the case, then no other services should be using these stands.
It's more so hogging the actual stands that cause me the biggest gripe.
(19 Apr 2016, 5:14 am)Dan wrote Yes, and this causes the most problems in terms of the tailbacks which Lee is complaining about, as some drivers refuse to go on any stand but their allocated one, and any buses behind that one are left to sit and wait. As Arriva almost have the monopoly on the bus station, they are the ones that cause the biggest issue in Durham Bus Station. Not Go North East. Of course, if the bus station was properly supervised, drivers could be told to use the allocated layover bays, but...
It's quite interesting that Arriva are having so many issues, yet Go North East isn't (at least to my knowledge?) I was on the real-time information system yesterday at various points in the day, and I found at 12:00 that only one bus out of the PVR of 20 was outside of the 'on time' boundary, and at 15:00 two were. Things worsened at peak times, but that's normal Durham. Perhaps the roadworks in Durham aren't as bad as is being made out, and it's simply because there isn't enough recovery time in Arriva's timetables to accommodate minor delays like these?
Just seems odd to me that it can affect one operator and not the other!
(19 Apr 2016, 5:14 am)Dan wrote Yes, and this causes the most problems in terms of the tailbacks which Lee is complaining about, as some drivers refuse to go on any stand but their allocated one, and any buses behind that one are left to sit and wait. As Arriva almost have the monopoly on the bus station, they are the ones that cause the biggest issue in Durham Bus Station. Not Go North East. Of course, if the bus station was properly supervised, drivers could be told to use the allocated layover bays, but...
It's quite interesting that Arriva are having so many issues, yet Go North East isn't (at least to my knowledge?) I was on the real-time information system yesterday at various points in the day, and I found at 12:00 that only one bus out of the PVR of 20 was outside of the 'on time' boundary, and at 15:00 two were. Things worsened at peak times, but that's normal Durham. Perhaps the roadworks in Durham aren't as bad as is being made out, and it's simply because there isn't enough recovery time in Arriva's timetables to accommodate minor delays like these?
Just seems odd to me that it can affect one operator and not the other!
(19 Apr 2016, 8:24 am)LeeCalder wrote I would also like to argue that GNE cause a large amount of problems, probably equal to the amount that ANE cause, due to their refusal to use the back wall. And also the blocking of the exit to DBS with many 20 drivers creating an imaginary stand 'M' due to the fact there is already another 20/20A on the stand.
There have also been times where GNE buses have sat waiting for their own stand to free up, despite the fact another bus is loading up before pulling onto an alternative stand because they will apparently get bollocked for pulling on to another stand.
It swings both ways...
(19 Apr 2016, 12:43 pm)Dan wrote It does swing both ways and my previous post was not disputing the fact that Go North East's drivers may cause some issues. It clearly states which operator I believe causes the biggest issue. I don't know how Go North East can cause the same amount of issues in Durham Bus Station as Arriva, when they do not have as many services running from or through the bus station each hour?
According to Google Maps:
A - ANE X12 to Newcastle (2 buses/hr), GNE X22 to Metrocentre (1 bus/hr)
B - GNE 21 to Newcastle (4 buses/hr), GNE 50 to South Shields (2 buses/hr), GNE X21 to Newcastle (2 buses/hr),
C - GNE 15 to Consett (2 buses/hr), GNE 16 to Stanley/Castleside (4 buses/hr), GNE 128 to Beamish (1 bus/hr).
D - ANE 6 to West Auckland/Cockfield (5 buses/hr).
E - ANE 46 to Crook/Tow Law (3 buses/hr), ANE 48 to New Brancepeth (3 buses/hr)
F - ANE 49/49A to Brandon (6 buses/hr)
G - GNE 204 to Littletown (1 bus/hr), GNE 208 to Peterlee (1 bus/hr), GNE 265 to Seaham (1 bus/hr)
H - ANE 56 to Bishop Auckland (2 buses/hr), ANE 57/57A to Kelloe/Hartlepool (2 buses/hr), ANE X12 to Middlesbrough (2 buses/hr)
J - ANE 22 to Sunderland (2 buses/hr), ANE 24 to Hartlepool (2 buses/hr), ANE 43 to Esh Winning (4 buses/hr),
K - ANE 7 to Darlington (4 buses/hr), GNE X21 to Bishop Auckland (2 buses/hr)
L - GNE 20/20A to South Shields (6 buses/hr)
This means that Arriva has 37 services per hour running from/through Durham Bus Station, while Go North East has ten fewer at 27 services per hour. Arriva drivers (some - not all) are renowned for dumping their buses on a stand when a changeover is due to take place, until the next driver arrives to take over that bus. Go North East can't be guilty of the same thing, as, unlike Arriva, they undertake no driver changeovers at Durham.
Have you got any evidence of Go North East drivers 'refusing' to use the allocated layover stands? I by no means visit Durham Bus Station regularly, but I've certainly seen drivers on services 20/20A using the allocated layover stands when a bus is already pulled onto Stand L.
(19 Apr 2016, 2:15 pm)northern156 wrote Regarding Durham Bus Station - a somewhat far-fetched idea, but until developments take place to ease the station, some less-popular routes terminate at different locations away from the city centre (ie the Park & Ride with a 5-minute shuttle running), or even terminate 'in' it? ie running buses through the city centre and terminating on the main street right outside the bus station. ANE go one way round and GNE go the other way?
(19 Apr 2016, 2:15 pm)northern156 wrote Regarding Durham Bus Station - a somewhat far-fetched idea, but until developments take place to ease the station, some less-popular routes terminate at different locations away from the city centre (ie the Park & Ride with a 5-minute shuttle running), or even terminate 'in' it? ie running buses through the city centre and terminating on the main street right outside the bus station. ANE go one way round and GNE go the other way?
(19 Apr 2016, 2:23 pm)Andreos1 wrote Like the 64 does?
The 13 and 14 stop on North Road too - but obviously don't cross over the city, like the 64.
I can certainly see merit in the idea.
How routes would be split or what would determine what goes in to the station is another thing.
(19 Apr 2016, 2:46 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Bit hard to do that when the lower part of North Road is one way.
(19 Apr 2016, 2:15 pm)northern156 wrote Regarding Durham Bus Station - a somewhat far-fetched idea, but until developments take place to ease the station, some less-popular routes terminate at different locations away from the city centre (ie the Park & Ride with a 5-minute shuttle running), or even terminate 'in' it? ie running buses through the city centre and terminating on the main street right outside the bus station. ANE go one way round and GNE go the other way?
(02 May 2016, 2:52 pm)citaro5284 wrote What a carry on....you would think a main Bus Station would make sure the correct information was showing.
(19 Apr 2016, 12:43 pm)Dan wrote It does swing both ways and my previous post was not disputing the fact that Go North East's drivers may cause some issues. It clearly states which operator I believe causes the biggest issue. I don't know how Go North East can cause the same amount of issues in Durham Bus Station as Arriva, when they do not have as many services running from or through the bus station each hour?
According to Google Maps:
A - ANE X12 to Newcastle (2 buses/hr), GNE X22 to Metrocentre (1 bus/hr)
B - GNE 21 to Newcastle (4 buses/hr), GNE 50 to South Shields (2 buses/hr), GNE X21 to Newcastle (2 buses/hr),
C - GNE 15 to Consett (2 buses/hr), GNE 16 to Stanley/Castleside (4 buses/hr), GNE 128 to Beamish (1 bus/hr).
D - ANE 6 to West Auckland/Cockfield (5 buses/hr).
E - ANE 46 to Crook/Tow Law (3 buses/hr), ANE 48 to New Brancepeth (3 buses/hr)
F - ANE 49/49A to Brandon (6 buses/hr)
G - GNE 204 to Littletown (1 bus/hr), GNE 208 to Peterlee (1 bus/hr), GNE 265 to Seaham (1 bus/hr)
H - ANE 56 to Bishop Auckland (2 buses/hr), ANE 57/57A to Kelloe/Hartlepool (2 buses/hr), ANE X12 to Middlesbrough (2 buses/hr)
J - ANE 22 to Sunderland (2 buses/hr), ANE 24 to Hartlepool (2 buses/hr), ANE 43 to Esh Winning (4 buses/hr),
K - ANE 7 to Darlington (4 buses/hr), GNE X21 to Bishop Auckland (2 buses/hr)
L - GNE 20/20A to South Shields (6 buses/hr)
This means that Arriva has 37 services per hour running from/through Durham Bus Station, while Go North East has ten fewer at 27 services per hour. Arriva drivers (some - not all) are renowned for dumping their buses on a stand when a changeover is due to take place, until the next driver arrives to take over that bus. Go North East can't be guilty of the same thing, as, unlike Arriva, they undertake no driver changeovers at Durham.
Have you got any evidence of Go North East drivers 'refusing' to use the allocated layover stands? I by no means visit Durham Bus Station regularly, but I've certainly seen drivers on services 20/20A using the allocated layover stands when a bus is already pulled onto Stand L.
(02 May 2016, 9:23 am)BusLoverMum wrote Stand B is showing mixture of normal weekday times for the 21 and x21 and really confusing people.
Also still had 50A on it, as did the paper timetable.
And don't even try to work out when the 64 is running to where.
(02 May 2016, 11:05 pm)Ambassador wrote The info boards on Durham Rd were showing normal timetables. On Sundays and evenings they show the 21 and X21 as separate journeys.
Speaking of Google. They have the GNE X22 as Sapphire and the X12 as a sapphire too