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Adrian



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09 Jun 2017, 8:39 pm #1,121
In my opinion this was a fantastic night for Labour, and more importantly, a huge rejection of austerity and cuts from the electorate. They're sick of it, and a man that everyone had ruled down and out, has managed to engage a nation. His policies reached far and wide, they reached what people really felt, and for the first time, they got young adults amongst us to get involved in politics and vote. Turnout was high across the board.

Theresa May is finished. She has had to scrape the barrel and work with the DUP, as not even the Liberals would work with her now. She will be humiliated a couple of times in the Commons, and then confirm what we've known all along - she is no more "strong and stable" than a wet paper bag.

Labour need to keep building this momentum, because I don't think we will even have to wait 12 months to do this all over again.

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Adrian
09 Jun 2017, 8:39 pm #1,121

In my opinion this was a fantastic night for Labour, and more importantly, a huge rejection of austerity and cuts from the electorate. They're sick of it, and a man that everyone had ruled down and out, has managed to engage a nation. His policies reached far and wide, they reached what people really felt, and for the first time, they got young adults amongst us to get involved in politics and vote. Turnout was high across the board.

Theresa May is finished. She has had to scrape the barrel and work with the DUP, as not even the Liberals would work with her now. She will be humiliated a couple of times in the Commons, and then confirm what we've known all along - she is no more "strong and stable" than a wet paper bag.

Labour need to keep building this momentum, because I don't think we will even have to wait 12 months to do this all over again.


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09 Jun 2017, 8:54 pm #1,122
(09 Jun 2017, 8:39 pm)Adrian In my opinion this was a fantastic night for Labour, and more importantly, a huge rejection of austerity and cuts from the electorate. They're sick of it, and a man that everyone had ruled down and out, has managed to engage a nation. His policies reached far and wide, they reached what people really felt, and for the first time, they got young adults amongst us to get involved in politics and vote. Turnout was high across the board.

Theresa May is finished. She has had to scrape the barrel and work with the DUP, as not even the Liberals would work with her now. She will be humiliated a couple of times in the Commons, and then confirm what we've known all along - she is no more "strong and stable" than a wet paper bag.

Labour need to keep building this momentum, because I don't think we will even have to wait 12 months to do this all over again.

Quoting my mate here Theresa May Strong and Stable actually weak and wobbly
Ds1197
09 Jun 2017, 8:54 pm #1,122

(09 Jun 2017, 8:39 pm)Adrian In my opinion this was a fantastic night for Labour, and more importantly, a huge rejection of austerity and cuts from the electorate. They're sick of it, and a man that everyone had ruled down and out, has managed to engage a nation. His policies reached far and wide, they reached what people really felt, and for the first time, they got young adults amongst us to get involved in politics and vote. Turnout was high across the board.

Theresa May is finished. She has had to scrape the barrel and work with the DUP, as not even the Liberals would work with her now. She will be humiliated a couple of times in the Commons, and then confirm what we've known all along - she is no more "strong and stable" than a wet paper bag.

Labour need to keep building this momentum, because I don't think we will even have to wait 12 months to do this all over again.

Quoting my mate here Theresa May Strong and Stable actually weak and wobbly

Adrian



9,589
09 Jun 2017, 9:02 pm #1,123
It didn't take people long - spotted this on Twitter earlier: https://twitter.com/Jfarrers/status/873261514144272384

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Adrian
09 Jun 2017, 9:02 pm #1,123

It didn't take people long - spotted this on Twitter earlier: https://twitter.com/Jfarrers/status/873261514144272384


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10 Jun 2017, 9:48 am #1,124
(09 Jun 2017, 9:02 pm)Adrian It didn't take people long - spotted this on Twitter earlier: https://twitter.com/Jfarrers/status/873261514144272384

They're a scary bunch and I won't be surprised if the Tories us them to punish us for voting all wrong.

I saw someone describe their manifesto as the Bible with added bin collections. I'll not be best pleased if they start trying to stick their evil beaks into our relationships and reproductive rights.
BusLoverMum
10 Jun 2017, 9:48 am #1,124

(09 Jun 2017, 9:02 pm)Adrian It didn't take people long - spotted this on Twitter earlier: https://twitter.com/Jfarrers/status/873261514144272384

They're a scary bunch and I won't be surprised if the Tories us them to punish us for voting all wrong.

I saw someone describe their manifesto as the Bible with added bin collections. I'll not be best pleased if they start trying to stick their evil beaks into our relationships and reproductive rights.

Adrian



9,589
10 Jun 2017, 10:51 am #1,125
(10 Jun 2017, 9:48 am)BusLoverMum They're a scary bunch and I won't be surprised if the Tories us them to punish us for voting all wrong.

I saw someone describe their manifesto as the Bible with added bin collections. I'll not be best pleased if they start trying to stick their evil beaks into our relationships and reproductive rights.

Yeah they are. They're a real dangerous bunch.

Sinn Fein are claiming that the Tory/DUP deal is in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, so that one should be interesting to follow!

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Adrian
10 Jun 2017, 10:51 am #1,125

(10 Jun 2017, 9:48 am)BusLoverMum They're a scary bunch and I won't be surprised if the Tories us them to punish us for voting all wrong.

I saw someone describe their manifesto as the Bible with added bin collections. I'll not be best pleased if they start trying to stick their evil beaks into our relationships and reproductive rights.

Yeah they are. They're a real dangerous bunch.

Sinn Fein are claiming that the Tory/DUP deal is in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, so that one should be interesting to follow!


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10 Jun 2017, 1:52 pm #1,126
(10 Jun 2017, 10:51 am)Adrian Yeah they are. They're a real dangerous bunch.

Sinn Fein are claiming that the Tory/DUP deal is in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, so that one should be interesting to follow!

It is. Part of the GFA is that the UK government remains impartial and does nothing to appear to favour either side in NI.
BusLoverMum
10 Jun 2017, 1:52 pm #1,126

(10 Jun 2017, 10:51 am)Adrian Yeah they are. They're a real dangerous bunch.

Sinn Fein are claiming that the Tory/DUP deal is in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, so that one should be interesting to follow!

It is. Part of the GFA is that the UK government remains impartial and does nothing to appear to favour either side in NI.

MrFozz

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10 Jun 2017, 2:20 pm #1,127
(10 Jun 2017, 1:52 pm)BusLoverMum It is. Part of the GFA is that the UK government remains impartial and does nothing to appear to favour either side in NI.
Was that Impartiality not meant for Stormont only???

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MrFozz
10 Jun 2017, 2:20 pm #1,127

(10 Jun 2017, 1:52 pm)BusLoverMum It is. Part of the GFA is that the UK government remains impartial and does nothing to appear to favour either side in NI.
Was that Impartiality not meant for Stormont only???

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BusLoverMum



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10 Jun 2017, 3:14 pm #1,128
(10 Jun 2017, 2:20 pm)MrFozz Was that Impartiality not meant for Stormont only???

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Well... It's all a bit delicate, already
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol...19106.html
BusLoverMum
10 Jun 2017, 3:14 pm #1,128

(10 Jun 2017, 2:20 pm)MrFozz Was that Impartiality not meant for Stormont only???

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Well... It's all a bit delicate, already
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol...19106.html

BusLoverMum



5,285
10 Jun 2017, 7:44 pm #1,129
This is an excellent post about how delicate the situation in NI is and how inflammatory the DUP's alliance with the Tories could be
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/09/will...sinn-fein/
BusLoverMum
10 Jun 2017, 7:44 pm #1,129

This is an excellent post about how delicate the situation in NI is and how inflammatory the DUP's alliance with the Tories could be
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/09/will...sinn-fein/

MrFozz

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5,562
10 Jun 2017, 8:10 pm #1,130
(10 Jun 2017, 7:44 pm)BusLoverMum This is an excellent post about how delicate the situation in NI is and how inflammatory the DUP's alliance with the Tories could be
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/09/will...sinn-fein/
The problem as I understand it is this...

To get Stormont back on track, the British and Irish Governments were to mediate between Sinn Fein and the DUP. The problem now being tje DUP are effectively in bed with the Government, so how can they remain impartial.

Could the answer not be, simply send somebody else to mediate, maybe her majesties opposition or have another outside government come in and mediate with the Irish to get Stormont.

Just makes it harder with the DUP now working with the Tories.

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MrFozz
10 Jun 2017, 8:10 pm #1,130

(10 Jun 2017, 7:44 pm)BusLoverMum This is an excellent post about how delicate the situation in NI is and how inflammatory the DUP's alliance with the Tories could be
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/09/will...sinn-fein/
The problem as I understand it is this...

To get Stormont back on track, the British and Irish Governments were to mediate between Sinn Fein and the DUP. The problem now being tje DUP are effectively in bed with the Government, so how can they remain impartial.

Could the answer not be, simply send somebody else to mediate, maybe her majesties opposition or have another outside government come in and mediate with the Irish to get Stormont.

Just makes it harder with the DUP now working with the Tories.

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BusLoverMum



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10 Jun 2017, 9:56 pm #1,131
(10 Jun 2017, 8:10 pm)MrFozz The problem as I understand it is this...

To get Stormont back on track, the British and Irish Governments were to mediate between Sinn Fein and the DUP. The problem now being tje DUP are effectively in bed with the Government, so how can they remain impartial.

Could the answer not be, simply send somebody else to mediate, maybe her majesties opposition or have another outside government come in and mediate with the Irish to get Stormont.

Just makes it harder with the DUP now working with the Tories.

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The real problem comes if Stormont don't get back on track. If that happens, then all the devolved NI assembly responsibilities go back to Westminster. DUP would love that outcome, anyhow, but it wouldn't be in any way satisfactory for Sinn Fein. So that situation could end up with everyone back at square one, anyhow, but now DUP hold the balance of power at Westminster and the Conservatives will be doing everything they can to keep them onside.

The fact that such a high proportion of the NI population still votes along sectarian lines, regardless of the various regressive policies both the main parties have (Sinn Fein are actually socially more moderate than DUP as Ireland is socially more liberal than NI) and regardless of the push for more progressive party politics from some small groups (eg the Alliance party, who are affiliated with the lib dems) illustrates how so many people simply are not ready to let go and move on. There is still too much pain and there are probably still people alive who were born before the original, 1920, Bloody Sunday any many many others will be steeped in that history via their own parents and grandparents who will have been there, at the time.
Edited 10 Jun 2017, 10:01 pm by BusLoverMum.
BusLoverMum
10 Jun 2017, 9:56 pm #1,131

(10 Jun 2017, 8:10 pm)MrFozz The problem as I understand it is this...

To get Stormont back on track, the British and Irish Governments were to mediate between Sinn Fein and the DUP. The problem now being tje DUP are effectively in bed with the Government, so how can they remain impartial.

Could the answer not be, simply send somebody else to mediate, maybe her majesties opposition or have another outside government come in and mediate with the Irish to get Stormont.

Just makes it harder with the DUP now working with the Tories.

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The real problem comes if Stormont don't get back on track. If that happens, then all the devolved NI assembly responsibilities go back to Westminster. DUP would love that outcome, anyhow, but it wouldn't be in any way satisfactory for Sinn Fein. So that situation could end up with everyone back at square one, anyhow, but now DUP hold the balance of power at Westminster and the Conservatives will be doing everything they can to keep them onside.

The fact that such a high proportion of the NI population still votes along sectarian lines, regardless of the various regressive policies both the main parties have (Sinn Fein are actually socially more moderate than DUP as Ireland is socially more liberal than NI) and regardless of the push for more progressive party politics from some small groups (eg the Alliance party, who are affiliated with the lib dems) illustrates how so many people simply are not ready to let go and move on. There is still too much pain and there are probably still people alive who were born before the original, 1920, Bloody Sunday any many many others will be steeped in that history via their own parents and grandparents who will have been there, at the time.

James101



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10 Jun 2017, 10:11 pm #1,132
(09 Jun 2017, 10:05 am)LeeCalder Wouldn't be happy with the DUP to be honest, very, very controversial. They have insisted on blocking equal marriage rights consistently for the last five years in Northern Ireland.

There's a few Question Time clips online of various DUP represtatives getting eaten alive on this issue.
James101
10 Jun 2017, 10:11 pm #1,132

(09 Jun 2017, 10:05 am)LeeCalder Wouldn't be happy with the DUP to be honest, very, very controversial. They have insisted on blocking equal marriage rights consistently for the last five years in Northern Ireland.

There's a few Question Time clips online of various DUP represtatives getting eaten alive on this issue.

MrFozz

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10 Jun 2017, 11:37 pm #1,133
DUP are now saying a deal has not been done yet and talks are ongoing...

Sounds like a clusterf**k coming out of No.10 atm

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Deals are done...then there not, seems like Theresa Mays position is becoming more untenable by the hour...

Seems clear to me, I would not trust her to take care of a dog right now, never mind a country.

It pains me to say so and I am in mo way a supporter of the Labour Party, I am warming more to Jeremy Corbyn, and I believe right now, he is the only man capable of running the country

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Edited 10 Jun 2017, 11:41 pm by MrFozz.
MrFozz
10 Jun 2017, 11:37 pm #1,133

DUP are now saying a deal has not been done yet and talks are ongoing...

Sounds like a clusterf**k coming out of No.10 atm

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Deals are done...then there not, seems like Theresa Mays position is becoming more untenable by the hour...

Seems clear to me, I would not trust her to take care of a dog right now, never mind a country.

It pains me to say so and I am in mo way a supporter of the Labour Party, I am warming more to Jeremy Corbyn, and I believe right now, he is the only man capable of running the country

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10 Jun 2017, 11:44 pm #1,134
(10 Jun 2017, 11:37 pm)MrFozz DUP are now saying a deal has not been done yet and talks are ongoing...

Sounds like a clusterf**k coming out of No.10 atm

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Deals are done...then there not, seems like Theresa Mays position is becoming more untenable by the hour...

Seems clear to me, I would not trust her to take care of a dog right now, never mind a country.

It pains me to say so and I am in mo way a supporter of the Labour Party, I am warming more to Jeremy Corbyn, and I believe right now, he is the only man capable of running the country

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I agree with everything you say, entirely.

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Jamie M
10 Jun 2017, 11:44 pm #1,134

(10 Jun 2017, 11:37 pm)MrFozz DUP are now saying a deal has not been done yet and talks are ongoing...

Sounds like a clusterf**k coming out of No.10 atm

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Deals are done...then there not, seems like Theresa Mays position is becoming more untenable by the hour...

Seems clear to me, I would not trust her to take care of a dog right now, never mind a country.

It pains me to say so and I am in mo way a supporter of the Labour Party, I am warming more to Jeremy Corbyn, and I believe right now, he is the only man capable of running the country

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I agree with everything you say, entirely.

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BusLoverMum



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11 Jun 2017, 9:42 pm #1,135
(10 Jun 2017, 11:37 pm)MrFozz DUP are now saying a deal has not been done yet and talks are ongoing...

Sounds like a clusterf**k coming out of No.10 atm

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Deals are done...then there not, seems like Theresa Mays position is becoming more untenable by the hour...

Seems clear to me, I would not trust her to take care of a dog right now, never mind a country.

It pains me to say so and I am in mo way a supporter of the Labour Party, I am warming more to Jeremy Corbyn, and I believe right now, he is the only man capable of running the country

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Yes, I've never quite been sure of him and I certainly don't agree with everything he says, but there is something rather zen and steadfast about him.

And he can eat food without looking awkward!
BusLoverMum
11 Jun 2017, 9:42 pm #1,135

(10 Jun 2017, 11:37 pm)MrFozz DUP are now saying a deal has not been done yet and talks are ongoing...

Sounds like a clusterf**k coming out of No.10 atm

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Deals are done...then there not, seems like Theresa Mays position is becoming more untenable by the hour...

Seems clear to me, I would not trust her to take care of a dog right now, never mind a country.

It pains me to say so and I am in mo way a supporter of the Labour Party, I am warming more to Jeremy Corbyn, and I believe right now, he is the only man capable of running the country

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Yes, I've never quite been sure of him and I certainly don't agree with everything he says, but there is something rather zen and steadfast about him.

And he can eat food without looking awkward!

Adrian



9,589
05 Jul 2017, 8:50 pm #1,136
I'd always thought that Guy Opperman was a bit of a git, but this sums him up for me - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/sh...r-10744548

Robbed blindly by the Government in broad daylight, then having an Apprenticeship suggested to you, in order to go someway to filling that gap left behind.

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Adrian
05 Jul 2017, 8:50 pm #1,136

I'd always thought that Guy Opperman was a bit of a git, but this sums him up for me - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/sh...r-10744548

Robbed blindly by the Government in broad daylight, then having an Apprenticeship suggested to you, in order to go someway to filling that gap left behind.


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Adrian



9,589
30 Jul 2017, 7:59 pm #1,137
https://twitter.com/Redlabour2016/status...6457942021

Poor Phil!  Smile

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Adrian
30 Jul 2017, 7:59 pm #1,137

https://twitter.com/Redlabour2016/status...6457942021

Poor Phil!  Smile


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31 Jul 2017, 8:53 am #1,138
(30 Jul 2017, 7:59 pm)Adrian https://twitter.com/Redlabour2016/status...6457942021

Poor Phil!  Smile

The comments are ace. I couldn't bring myself to vote for him. He burnt his bridges with me a while back.
BusLoverMum
31 Jul 2017, 8:53 am #1,138

(30 Jul 2017, 7:59 pm)Adrian https://twitter.com/Redlabour2016/status...6457942021

Poor Phil!  Smile

The comments are ace. I couldn't bring myself to vote for him. He burnt his bridges with me a while back.

BusLoverMum



5,285
07 Sep 2017, 4:54 pm #1,139
So, we have a local council election coming up.

We've heard from the first candidate - Maurice Brown. Lives in the ward and stand for "local jobs, for local people". He clearly believes strongly in this principle because it's stated in bold type on the glossy leaflet he had printed in Southend-on-sea.
BusLoverMum
07 Sep 2017, 4:54 pm #1,139

So, we have a local council election coming up.

We've heard from the first candidate - Maurice Brown. Lives in the ward and stand for "local jobs, for local people". He clearly believes strongly in this principle because it's stated in bold type on the glossy leaflet he had printed in Southend-on-sea.

Andreos1



14,241
18 Sep 2017, 7:36 am #1,140
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jere...31961.html

An interesting read.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
18 Sep 2017, 7:36 am #1,140

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jere...31961.html

An interesting read.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

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