(15 Jul 2017, 5:39 pm)park5354 wrote No where else to split X10 to put it on domestic hours.
Personal opinion is that the route should be every 30 mins on Sunday route (ie all trips via Peterlee, Billingham and Stockton) allowing the split at Peterlee Bus Station, thus omitting Dalton Park.
Another solution for X10 could be to Run via A194(M), A182, Galleries, A182 to Hall Lane Estate then to Dalton Park.
or
X10 from Heworth via A194(M), A1(M), A183, A1052 to Houghton then via Hall Lane to Dalton Park.
(15 Jul 2017, 11:49 am)citaro5284 wrote Aye you right there Michael, going southbound, you have to pass it to come off the A19 and then double back slightly don't you ?
(15 Jul 2017, 5:11 pm)cbma06 wrote On a normal day by the time the X10 pulls off the A19 and gone into dalton park and back on the A19, the X10 would of already passed Peterlee, if there's an event on at dalton park then the X10 would probably of reached norton or Stockton by the time it rejoined A19, can see this as a bad idea, what's wrong with passengers alighting at A19 northbound and then jump on the X6 to dalton park at the same bus stop and doing southbound get off at moorcock and walk around the corner to jump on the X10 southboundThat would only work with 2 conditions:
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(15 Jul 2017, 6:33 pm)callum2015 wrote After a quick look at googlemaps,would another solution for X10 be join A19 as normal from Norton,exit at Peterlee then via Burnhope Way to Peterlee BS,Up Easington Way then re-join the A19 at Little Thorpe (so the same as the X9 route) ? would still make the X10 Slightly quicker than the X9 by avoiding Billingham but not sure if it would be quicker than diverting it via Dalton ParkBillingham's bus services have been decimated enough already. You need to remember that a bus route is more than its end points. There are two completely different Durham-Sunderland services, for example, but they have little more than a mile of their routes in common. The ANE 22 passes my front door. The GNE 20/20A passes no closer than 4 miles away and is no good to me unless I catch a 22 to meet it. (and yes, I'm aware that pedants will remind me that the 20 goes through Sunderland to South Shields, these days, but you can make the same comparison of the 20/20A and the 50 if the start and end points matter that much. They don't even have any of their respective routes through Durham in common!)
(15 Jul 2017, 10:05 pm)L469 YVK wrote Bear in mind that although the X10 will serve Dalton Park, the long layover at Eldon Square (like the X21 at Bishop Auckland and the 10 at Hexham) would compensate for this as well as the PVR increase.
Are the new B5TLs equipped with Tachographs? Also, will the X9/X10 be driven by all drivers or just a dedicated rotas as now?
(15 Jul 2017, 11:12 pm)2bagstew wrote I can't see the B5TL been fitted with Tachos as the service been been split
X9 (X10) Newcastle - Peterlee Bus Station
X9 (X10) Dalton Park - Middlesbrough
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(16 Jul 2017, 12:13 am)Jamie M wrote We'll be seeing South Tyne versas on those stints before too long, then!
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(15 Jul 2017, 9:34 pm)BusLoverMum wrote Billingham's bus services have been decimated enough already. You need to remember that a bus route is more than its end points. There are two completely different Durham-Sunderland services, for example, but they have little more than a mile of their routes in common. The ANE 22 passes my front door. The GNE 20/20A passes no closer than 4 miles away and is no good to me unless I catch a 22 to meet it. (and yes, I'm aware that pedants will remind me that the 20 goes through Sunderland to South Shields, these days, but you can make the same comparison of the 20/20A and the 50 if the start and end points matter that much. They don't even have any of their respective routes through Durham in common!)
(15 Jul 2017, 10:05 pm)L469 YVK wrote Bear in mind that although the X10 will serve Dalton Park, the long layover at Eldon Square (like the X21 at Bishop Auckland and the 10 at Hexham) would compensate for this as well as the PVR increase.
Are the new B5TLs equipped with Tachographs? Also, will the X9/X10 be driven by all drivers or just a dedicated rotas as now?
(16 Jul 2017, 9:35 am)nk55 wrote Sadly very much doubt it, as said previously I think a lot of passengers will be pushed onto the trains.
(16 Jul 2017, 9:35 am)nk55 wrote Sadly very much doubt it, as said previously I think a lot of passengers will be pushed onto the trains.
(16 Jul 2017, 10:00 am)Dan wrote The flip side of the coin is that the X9/X10 services don't have enough layover time at either end to recover after incurring delays, and if a bus arrives in 10 minutes late, it's guaranteed to depart late by the time everyone alights and then boards again, meaning that a lot of journeys take more time than scheduled to, already.
This change would presumably only add around 5 minutes onto the timetable in either direction (i.e. roughly the same amount of time as what a lot of customers are being inconvenienced by already, due to lack of appropriate layover time), so in reality, this change would just provide a more realistic and achievable timetable, whilst also opening up new, direct links for passengers, which would hopefully grow the services in order to pay for the extra bus being added to the PVR.
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(16 Jul 2017, 10:00 am)Dan wrote The flip side of the coin is that the X9/X10 services don't have enough layover time at either end to recover after incurring delays, and if a bus arrives in 10 minutes late, it's guaranteed to depart late by the time everyone alights and then boards again, meaning that a lot of journeys take more time than scheduled to, already.I agree with this.
This change would presumably only add around 5 minutes onto the timetable in either direction (i.e. roughly the same amount of time as what a lot of customers are being inconvenienced by already, due to lack of appropriate layover time), so in reality, this change would just provide a more realistic and achievable timetable, whilst also opening up new, direct links for passengers, which would hopefully grow the services in order to pay for the extra bus being added to the PVR.
(17 Jul 2017, 7:11 pm)Michael wrote PB0002400/629 Cancelled (Short notice)
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(17 Jul 2017, 10:31 pm)BusLoverMum wrote I agree with this.
The only way to speed it up is to pay for a Metro or Stagecoach ticket. 5 extra minutes to reach Dalton park, as annoying as it is is a small consideration, really.
(18 Jul 2017, 9:05 am)James101 wrote They could just add another bus into the PVR without diverting via Dalton Park, and they could continue the service 'whole' rather than splitting it. Costly, but not impossible. There seems to be an assumption passengers have to sacrifice something (in this case journey times) in exchange for a reliable service.
There's no dressing the change up other than efficiencies for GNE. That in itself is fine, Go-Ahead operate for profit - but it's always irritating when they advertise things like frequency reductions and additional running time as for the customer's benefit.
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(18 Jul 2017, 4:36 pm)markydh wrote PB0003954/809 Registered
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(18 Jul 2017, 11:13 am)tyresmoke wrote Splitting the route will mean the drivers (& buses) will no longer be on EU tachograph regulations. Therefore it'll give them flexibility in what vehicles can be used on the route (everything, basically). No longer will they have to scrap around for tacho fitted buses to replace breakdowns or help with delays etc. No waiting for one to come back in off a 97 or whatever to pinch, they'll be able to send any bus out. This will help massively with flexibility and should help solve some delays at very little cost to the passengers.
(19 Jul 2017, 1:40 pm)Michael wrote I like how they've set up the new timetables for the Hexham area.
Example: https://assets.goaheadbus.com/media/cms_...17_WEB.pdf
(19 Jul 2017, 1:54 pm)RBZ 5459 wrote Assume they've been taken from the new 'Explore More' Hexham booklet Go North East have produced. More of a tourist guide rather than timetables for the everyday punter.
(23 Jun 2017, 10:15 am)Michael wrote Just got an email from Go North East about the changes:
http://newsroom.gonortheast.co.uk/news/s...017-248135