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thetravelman



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26 Sep 2017, 7:28 pm #381
(26 Sep 2017, 3:29 pm)eezypeazy It usually does the 'Shire scholars am and pm and Allenheads/Allendale in between.

The rumour is that 618 and 619 were to be withdrawn this coming weekend, with 635 and 636 taking over their duties. However, there's work starting on Chollerford Bridge in October, and one of the two MPDs is believed to be being retained for a shuttle service.

Will Hexham receive 2 extra Solos / other minibus, ready for the spring when 635 & 636 will be required for Hadrian Wall services again? 

Also how is the trial going on the X81/681/185 services using the Mercedes Sprinter City 45 Demo (9095)
Would one of these vehicles be a likely candidate for a future purchase for these routes, based on its size and seating capacity and I expect probably much better fuel economy over a Solo?
thetravelman
26 Sep 2017, 7:28 pm #381

(26 Sep 2017, 3:29 pm)eezypeazy It usually does the 'Shire scholars am and pm and Allenheads/Allendale in between.

The rumour is that 618 and 619 were to be withdrawn this coming weekend, with 635 and 636 taking over their duties. However, there's work starting on Chollerford Bridge in October, and one of the two MPDs is believed to be being retained for a shuttle service.

Will Hexham receive 2 extra Solos / other minibus, ready for the spring when 635 & 636 will be required for Hadrian Wall services again? 

Also how is the trial going on the X81/681/185 services using the Mercedes Sprinter City 45 Demo (9095)
Would one of these vehicles be a likely candidate for a future purchase for these routes, based on its size and seating capacity and I expect probably much better fuel economy over a Solo?

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26 Sep 2017, 9:46 pm #382
(26 Sep 2017, 7:28 pm)thetravelman Will Hexham receive 2 extra Solos / other minibus, ready for the spring when 635 & 636 will be required for Hadrian Wall services again? 

Also how is the trial going on the X81/681/185 services using the Mercedes Sprinter City 45 Demo (9095)
Would one of these vehicles be a likely candidate for a future purchase for these routes, based on its size and seating capacity and I expect probably much better fuel economy over a Solo?

I never realised that 9095 is still with us and has gone west, think I shall hunt it down on Friday
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Rapidsnap
26 Sep 2017, 9:46 pm #382

(26 Sep 2017, 7:28 pm)thetravelman Will Hexham receive 2 extra Solos / other minibus, ready for the spring when 635 & 636 will be required for Hadrian Wall services again? 

Also how is the trial going on the X81/681/185 services using the Mercedes Sprinter City 45 Demo (9095)
Would one of these vehicles be a likely candidate for a future purchase for these routes, based on its size and seating capacity and I expect probably much better fuel economy over a Solo?

I never realised that 9095 is still with us and has gone west, think I shall hunt it down on Friday

Please feel free to visit my Flickr page - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/
Who needs heroes anyway? Villians have more fun.

Dan

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27 Sep 2017, 5:06 am #383
(26 Sep 2017, 7:28 pm)thetravelman Will Hexham receive 2 extra Solos / other minibus, ready for the spring when 635 & 636 will be required for Hadrian Wall services again? 

Also how is the trial going on the X81/681/185 services using the Mercedes Sprinter City 45 Demo (9095)
Would one of these vehicles be a likely candidate for a future purchase for these routes, based on its size and seating capacity and I expect probably much better fuel economy over a Solo?

The trouble with the Mercedes Sprinters is that, because they have such a small capacity, they are unsuitable for 95% of the services which Go North East operates. The 5% of the services they could be allocated to are fine, but as all of these are contracted services, what happens with the bus at the end of that contract? It can't always be guaranteed that Go North East would retain the contract, or that the council would continue funding this contract.

The operations around the Go-Ahead Group are much the same, meaning that if Go North East lost the contract, they couldn't easily dispose of the Mercedes Sprinter to another opco.


The way that Go North East procures its buses and then disposes of them means that there has to be solid ground to stand on to buy something, then the asset depreciates over x number of years (if I recall correctly; 10 for a minibus, 12 for a midibus, 15 for a full size single/double deck). A 5-year contract isn't enough - it would have to be a 10-year contract, of which there aren't many! Even if there was, you'd have the issue that you'd be ordering something completely non-standard in the fleet and unproven over that amount of years. More likely Go North East will stick to Solos as their preferred minibus.

(26 Sep 2017, 9:46 pm)Rapidsnap I never realised that 9095 is still with us and has gone west, think I shall hunt it down on Friday

9095 left the fleet some time ago - around the time when Tynedale Links Solo 670 returned to service at Hexham following temporary loan to Riverside. Our news/fleet list out of date! Will correct it today.
Dan
27 Sep 2017, 5:06 am #383

(26 Sep 2017, 7:28 pm)thetravelman Will Hexham receive 2 extra Solos / other minibus, ready for the spring when 635 & 636 will be required for Hadrian Wall services again? 

Also how is the trial going on the X81/681/185 services using the Mercedes Sprinter City 45 Demo (9095)
Would one of these vehicles be a likely candidate for a future purchase for these routes, based on its size and seating capacity and I expect probably much better fuel economy over a Solo?

The trouble with the Mercedes Sprinters is that, because they have such a small capacity, they are unsuitable for 95% of the services which Go North East operates. The 5% of the services they could be allocated to are fine, but as all of these are contracted services, what happens with the bus at the end of that contract? It can't always be guaranteed that Go North East would retain the contract, or that the council would continue funding this contract.

The operations around the Go-Ahead Group are much the same, meaning that if Go North East lost the contract, they couldn't easily dispose of the Mercedes Sprinter to another opco.


The way that Go North East procures its buses and then disposes of them means that there has to be solid ground to stand on to buy something, then the asset depreciates over x number of years (if I recall correctly; 10 for a minibus, 12 for a midibus, 15 for a full size single/double deck). A 5-year contract isn't enough - it would have to be a 10-year contract, of which there aren't many! Even if there was, you'd have the issue that you'd be ordering something completely non-standard in the fleet and unproven over that amount of years. More likely Go North East will stick to Solos as their preferred minibus.

(26 Sep 2017, 9:46 pm)Rapidsnap I never realised that 9095 is still with us and has gone west, think I shall hunt it down on Friday

9095 left the fleet some time ago - around the time when Tynedale Links Solo 670 returned to service at Hexham following temporary loan to Riverside. Our news/fleet list out of date! Will correct it today.

Citaro5326



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27 Sep 2017, 6:01 am #384
Didnt realise that the 56 was every 10 minutes ... well according to 6093s driving side anyway
Citaro5326
27 Sep 2017, 6:01 am #384

Didnt realise that the 56 was every 10 minutes ... well according to 6093s driving side anyway

Dan

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27 Sep 2017, 6:01 am #385
(26 Sep 2017, 2:52 pm)Dan The last new bus for X9/X10, 6314, was delivered today.

[Image: 37298693686_a7b389b696.jpg]Go North East: 6314 / NK67EBJ by Daniel Graham, on Flickr
Dan
27 Sep 2017, 6:01 am #385

(26 Sep 2017, 2:52 pm)Dan The last new bus for X9/X10, 6314, was delivered today.

[Image: 37298693686_a7b389b696.jpg]Go North East: 6314 / NK67EBJ by Daniel Graham, on Flickr

Dan

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27 Sep 2017, 6:02 am #386
(27 Sep 2017, 6:01 am)Citaro5326 Didnt realise that the 56 was every 10 minutes ... well according to 6093s driving side anyway

Would have just missed when the others all had the frequencies stripped and replaced back when the service went to every 12 minutes. Easily done, when buses can be away for periods of time.

The third party company who fits vinyls to Go North East's buses obviously should have caught up with it by now, and I'm sure now that it's been noted here, it will be amended or removed altogether pretty promptly...
Dan
27 Sep 2017, 6:02 am #386

(27 Sep 2017, 6:01 am)Citaro5326 Didnt realise that the 56 was every 10 minutes ... well according to 6093s driving side anyway

Would have just missed when the others all had the frequencies stripped and replaced back when the service went to every 12 minutes. Easily done, when buses can be away for periods of time.

The third party company who fits vinyls to Go North East's buses obviously should have caught up with it by now, and I'm sure now that it's been noted here, it will be amended or removed altogether pretty promptly...

Jordan2104



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27 Sep 2017, 7:41 am #387
(27 Sep 2017, 5:06 am)Dan The trouble with the Mercedes Sprinters is that, because they have such a small capacity, they are unsuitable for 95% of the services which Go North East operates. The 5% of the services they could be allocated to are fine, but as all of these are contracted services, what happens with the bus at the end of that contract? It can't always be guaranteed that Go North East would retain the contract, or that the council would continue funding this contract.

The operations around the Go-Ahead Group are much the same, meaning that if Go North East lost the contract, they couldn't easily dispose of the Mercedes Sprinter to another opco.


The way that Go North East procures its buses and then disposes of them means that there has to be solid ground to stand on to buy something, then the asset depreciates over x number of years (if I recall correctly; 10 for a minibus, 12 for a midibus, 15 for a full size single/double deck). A 5-year contract isn't enough - it would have to be a 10-year contract, of which there aren't many! Even if there was, you'd have the issue that you'd be ordering something completely non-standard in the fleet and unproven over that amount of years. More likely Go North East will stick to Solos as their preferred minibus.


9095 left the fleet some time ago - around the time when Tynedale Links Solo 670 returned to service at Hexham following temporary loan to Riverside. Our news/fleet list out of date! Will correct it today.

Do you not think they will buy any Alexander Dennis Enviro 200mmc like they had on demo at percy main
Jordan2104
27 Sep 2017, 7:41 am #387

(27 Sep 2017, 5:06 am)Dan The trouble with the Mercedes Sprinters is that, because they have such a small capacity, they are unsuitable for 95% of the services which Go North East operates. The 5% of the services they could be allocated to are fine, but as all of these are contracted services, what happens with the bus at the end of that contract? It can't always be guaranteed that Go North East would retain the contract, or that the council would continue funding this contract.

The operations around the Go-Ahead Group are much the same, meaning that if Go North East lost the contract, they couldn't easily dispose of the Mercedes Sprinter to another opco.


The way that Go North East procures its buses and then disposes of them means that there has to be solid ground to stand on to buy something, then the asset depreciates over x number of years (if I recall correctly; 10 for a minibus, 12 for a midibus, 15 for a full size single/double deck). A 5-year contract isn't enough - it would have to be a 10-year contract, of which there aren't many! Even if there was, you'd have the issue that you'd be ordering something completely non-standard in the fleet and unproven over that amount of years. More likely Go North East will stick to Solos as their preferred minibus.


9095 left the fleet some time ago - around the time when Tynedale Links Solo 670 returned to service at Hexham following temporary loan to Riverside. Our news/fleet list out of date! Will correct it today.

Do you not think they will buy any Alexander Dennis Enviro 200mmc like they had on demo at percy main

nk55



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27 Sep 2017, 7:53 am #388
(27 Sep 2017, 7:41 am)Jordan2104 Do you not think they will buy any Alexander Dennis Enviro 200mmc like they had on demo at percy main

Wouldn't have thought so, most recent orders being steeetlites, think they'll stick with wrights for future orders
nk55
27 Sep 2017, 7:53 am #388

(27 Sep 2017, 7:41 am)Jordan2104 Do you not think they will buy any Alexander Dennis Enviro 200mmc like they had on demo at percy main

Wouldn't have thought so, most recent orders being steeetlites, think they'll stick with wrights for future orders

Andreos1



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27 Sep 2017, 7:54 am #389
(27 Sep 2017, 7:41 am)Jordan2104 Do you not think they will buy any Alexander Dennis Enviro 200mmc like they had on demo at percy main

At some point, I predict they will buy a small vehicle (mini or midi) which isn't standard in the fleet.

They continue to do it with deckers, they've done it with single deckers and have done it with mini/midi vehicles. 
Granted, a common engine or body design makes it easier for fitters to work on the vehicles. However, that isn't the be all and end all.

Sometimes the hand is forced, with manufacturers ceasing to make a particular vehicle spec. 
However, sometimes the manufacturer is the one to get the boot.
I'm thinking of the Optare purchases in the '80s and '90s (Metroriders, followed by the Txxc BCN Solo's), replaced by MPD's.
There was also the Delta's and Excels in the 90s, which had their place taken in the fleet by SPD's and Renowns.

After a spare of purchases elsewhere (including Wrights), they went back to Optare and got the Versa's and more Solo's.
They then changed their direction again and went back to Wright for the Streetlites. Buying amounts not seen since they opted for the Handybus to replace the likes of Mk1 Nationals in the early '90s.
Edited 27 Sep 2017, 8:00 am by Andreos1.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
27 Sep 2017, 7:54 am #389

(27 Sep 2017, 7:41 am)Jordan2104 Do you not think they will buy any Alexander Dennis Enviro 200mmc like they had on demo at percy main

At some point, I predict they will buy a small vehicle (mini or midi) which isn't standard in the fleet.

They continue to do it with deckers, they've done it with single deckers and have done it with mini/midi vehicles. 
Granted, a common engine or body design makes it easier for fitters to work on the vehicles. However, that isn't the be all and end all.

Sometimes the hand is forced, with manufacturers ceasing to make a particular vehicle spec. 
However, sometimes the manufacturer is the one to get the boot.
I'm thinking of the Optare purchases in the '80s and '90s (Metroriders, followed by the Txxc BCN Solo's), replaced by MPD's.
There was also the Delta's and Excels in the 90s, which had their place taken in the fleet by SPD's and Renowns.

After a spare of purchases elsewhere (including Wrights), they went back to Optare and got the Versa's and more Solo's.
They then changed their direction again and went back to Wright for the Streetlites. Buying amounts not seen since they opted for the Handybus to replace the likes of Mk1 Nationals in the early '90s.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Rapidsnap

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27 Sep 2017, 2:22 pm #390
(27 Sep 2017, 5:06 am)Dan 9095 left the fleet some time ago - around the time when Tynedale Links Solo 670 returned to service at Hexham following temporary loan to Riverside. Our news/fleet list out of date! Will correct it today.

Thanks for telling me, it saves me a trip in the Wild West and wasting a lot of fuel. Instead I shall go after 9101 again once I got the Golf Shuttles in.
Please feel free to visit my Flickr page - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/
Who needs heroes anyway? Villians have more fun.
Rapidsnap
27 Sep 2017, 2:22 pm #390

(27 Sep 2017, 5:06 am)Dan 9095 left the fleet some time ago - around the time when Tynedale Links Solo 670 returned to service at Hexham following temporary loan to Riverside. Our news/fleet list out of date! Will correct it today.

Thanks for telling me, it saves me a trip in the Wild West and wasting a lot of fuel. Instead I shall go after 9101 again once I got the Golf Shuttles in.

Please feel free to visit my Flickr page - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/
Who needs heroes anyway? Villians have more fun.

Malarkey



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27 Sep 2017, 2:48 pm #391
What's the PVR for the Masters Golf Shuttles?
Malarkey
27 Sep 2017, 2:48 pm #391

What's the PVR for the Masters Golf Shuttles?

Dan

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27 Sep 2017, 3:33 pm #392
(27 Sep 2017, 2:48 pm)Malarkey What's the PVR for the Masters Golf Shuttles?

It will vary depending on the day. 6043/44/45/47/48 and 6084 allocated today - 6084 covering for 6046 which is still at Saltmeadows Road being repainted etc.

Should be some buses from Stanley and Washington making an appearance this weekend as more buses are required.
Dan
27 Sep 2017, 3:33 pm #392

(27 Sep 2017, 2:48 pm)Malarkey What's the PVR for the Masters Golf Shuttles?

It will vary depending on the day. 6043/44/45/47/48 and 6084 allocated today - 6084 covering for 6046 which is still at Saltmeadows Road being repainted etc.

Should be some buses from Stanley and Washington making an appearance this weekend as more buses are required.

BusLoverMum



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28 Sep 2017, 1:39 pm #393
So, what the Jeff is this with 6070 being green and black?(tried to add a screenshot of the snap I took, but I think the forum is still fried)
BusLoverMum
28 Sep 2017, 1:39 pm #393

So, what the Jeff is this with 6070 being green and black?(tried to add a screenshot of the snap I took, but I think the forum is still fried)

cbma06



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28 Sep 2017, 1:41 pm #394
(28 Sep 2017, 1:39 pm)BusLoverMum So, what the Jeff is this with 6070 being green and black?(tried to add a screenshot of the snap I took, but I think the forum is still fried)


Night bus for N21


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cbma06
28 Sep 2017, 1:41 pm #394

(28 Sep 2017, 1:39 pm)BusLoverMum So, what the Jeff is this with 6070 being green and black?(tried to add a screenshot of the snap I took, but I think the forum is still fried)


Night bus for N21


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Rapidsnap

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28 Sep 2017, 1:42 pm #395
Like the one for the Fab 56. It's to promote thr night buses
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Rapidsnap
28 Sep 2017, 1:42 pm #395

Like the one for the Fab 56. It's to promote thr night buses

Please feel free to visit my Flickr page - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/
Who needs heroes anyway? Villians have more fun.

BusLoverMum



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28 Sep 2017, 1:43 pm #396
(28 Sep 2017, 1:41 pm)cbma06 Night bus for N21


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Of course.
BusLoverMum
28 Sep 2017, 1:43 pm #396

(28 Sep 2017, 1:41 pm)cbma06 Night bus for N21


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Of course.

Citaro5326



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28 Sep 2017, 3:02 pm #397
5307 at wheatsheaf with engineer broken down and something off engine is on the floor doesnt look good
Citaro5326
28 Sep 2017, 3:02 pm #397

5307 at wheatsheaf with engineer broken down and something off engine is on the floor doesnt look good

Michael



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28 Sep 2017, 4:53 pm #398
Go North East is running the 101 this year for the Sunderland Illuminations 2017

We will be running special service 101, from Thursday 5 October - Sunday 5 November on Thursdays, Friday, Saturdays and Sundays, plus every day during half term week (23-27 October)
Buses run every 20 minutes from Keel Square (north side bus stop near to St Mary’s Car Park) via the Wheatsheaf, Newcastle Road and Sea Road, and will drop off at Seaburn Tram Shelter. Return journeys will be from any bus stop on the sea front starting at the Tram Shelter going southwards, and the bus will run towards Bungalow Café, along Harbour View and then back to Keel Square.
  • £1.50 per adult single trip
  • £2.50 per adult return
  • £1 single fare per journey for everyone aged 18 and under
All buses are wheelchair and pushchair accessible. Concessionary Passes and all other Network One or Go North East tickets/passes will not be valid.

http://newsroom.gonortheast.co.uk/news/b...017-264062
Edited 28 Sep 2017, 6:33 pm by Michael.
Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
28 Sep 2017, 4:53 pm #398

Go North East is running the 101 this year for the Sunderland Illuminations 2017

We will be running special service 101, from Thursday 5 October - Sunday 5 November on Thursdays, Friday, Saturdays and Sundays, plus every day during half term week (23-27 October)
Buses run every 20 minutes from Keel Square (north side bus stop near to St Mary’s Car Park) via the Wheatsheaf, Newcastle Road and Sea Road, and will drop off at Seaburn Tram Shelter. Return journeys will be from any bus stop on the sea front starting at the Tram Shelter going southwards, and the bus will run towards Bungalow Café, along Harbour View and then back to Keel Square.

  • £1.50 per adult single trip
  • £2.50 per adult return
  • £1 single fare per journey for everyone aged 18 and under
All buses are wheelchair and pushchair accessible. Concessionary Passes and all other Network One or Go North East tickets/passes will not be valid.

http://newsroom.gonortheast.co.uk/news/b...017-264062

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

idiot



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29 Sep 2017, 9:32 am #399
USB points on the streetlites are not good enough to charge a phone - clever that!
idiot
29 Sep 2017, 9:32 am #399

USB points on the streetlites are not good enough to charge a phone - clever that!

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29 Sep 2017, 9:49 am #400
(29 Sep 2017, 9:32 am)idiot USB points on the streetlites are not good enough to charge a phone - clever that!

I've never had problems with USB chargers, usually putting it in airplane mode charges the phone quicker.
omnicity4659
29 Sep 2017, 9:49 am #400

(29 Sep 2017, 9:32 am)idiot USB points on the streetlites are not good enough to charge a phone - clever that!

I've never had problems with USB chargers, usually putting it in airplane mode charges the phone quicker.

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