Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(30 Dec 2019, 7:07 pm)cbma06 What the government didn’t realise for deregulation that bigger operators would buy or run other companies to the ground and carve up there own areas and charge what there like as the passenger needs to get from A to B and have to use that bus service, this is probably why car ownership has grown over the years as if the passenger needs to get to there destination A to B then the passenger these days it’s more like from A to Z and have to go through the alphabet to get to Z .
You can blame the government/EU for no competition left
Regarding the Durham to Darlington corridor, the original 723 which were jointly operated by arriva/northern was carved up as Arriva took the Durham to Darlington section and northern took the Newcastle to Durham section , same as the 230 and 231 with arriva taking the 230 while northern took the 231, and between the X1 and X10, with arriva taking the X1 while northern took the X10, the list goes on.
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(30 Dec 2019, 7:07 pm)cbma06 What the government didn’t realise for deregulation that bigger operators would buy or run other companies to the ground and carve up there own areas and charge what there like as the passenger needs to get from A to B and have to use that bus service, this is probably why car ownership has grown over the years as if the passenger needs to get to there destination A to B then the passenger these days it’s more like from A to Z and have to go through the alphabet to get to Z .
You can blame the government/EU for no competition left
Regarding the Durham to Darlington corridor, the original 723 which were jointly operated by arriva/northern was carved up as Arriva took the Durham to Darlington section and northern took the Newcastle to Durham section , same as the 230 and 231 with arriva taking the 230 while northern took the 231, and between the X1 and X10, with arriva taking the X1 while northern took the X10, the list goes on.
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(30 Dec 2019, 7:21 pm)streetdeckfan The thing is, with Arriva the way it is at the minute, GNE could probably run a lot of Arriva services into the ground if they started running services along side of them, but then they would risk all the 'happenings' of a few years back all over again
Like I said, it's no use GNE extending the X21 to West Auckland unless they have services in County Durham that people want to connect to.
If GNE want the X21 extension to succeed, they need service that go to Crook, Newton Aycliffe, Darlington, Shildon etc.
Even if they're not as frequent as the Arriva service, it would give people a reason to buy a GNE ticket over an Arriva ticket
(30 Dec 2019, 7:21 pm)streetdeckfan The thing is, with Arriva the way it is at the minute, GNE could probably run a lot of Arriva services into the ground if they started running services along side of them, but then they would risk all the 'happenings' of a few years back all over again
Like I said, it's no use GNE extending the X21 to West Auckland unless they have services in County Durham that people want to connect to.
If GNE want the X21 extension to succeed, they need service that go to Crook, Newton Aycliffe, Darlington, Shildon etc.
Even if they're not as frequent as the Arriva service, it would give people a reason to buy a GNE ticket over an Arriva ticket
(30 Dec 2019, 7:47 pm)cbma06 I just wish arriva would bugger off in East Durham and let GNE take the bus services on, Peterlee have always had the bad end of the stick from the days of United, even when there had the Peterlee depot open and still had buses off the road with bus services missing or only half running the routes.
Even the late Peter Huntley said if he became MD at GNE a lot sooner he would of halted the sale of Bishop and would of put a bid in to purchase Stagecoach Darlington if Arriva and Stagecoach didn’t agree, also asked availability for purchase of stagecoach Hartlepool which Stagecoach gived a blunt no to, also asked about South Shields and got a reply back saying not at this present time.
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(30 Dec 2019, 7:47 pm)cbma06 I just wish arriva would bugger off in East Durham and let GNE take the bus services on, Peterlee have always had the bad end of the stick from the days of United, even when there had the Peterlee depot open and still had buses off the road with bus services missing or only half running the routes.
Even the late Peter Huntley said if he became MD at GNE a lot sooner he would of halted the sale of Bishop and would of put a bid in to purchase Stagecoach Darlington if Arriva and Stagecoach didn’t agree, also asked availability for purchase of stagecoach Hartlepool which Stagecoach gived a blunt no to, also asked about South Shields and got a reply back saying not at this present time.
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(30 Dec 2019, 7:59 pm)S813 FVK *thinks back to the OK1*
(30 Dec 2019, 7:59 pm)S813 FVK *thinks back to the OK1*
(30 Dec 2019, 8:01 pm)streetdeckfan And that had exactly the same issue they're going to face with the extension to the X21.
Why would you use a GNE service if it's just one route?
If you're travelling anywhere that isn't on that route, you'll have to buy an Arriva ticket as well, and at that point, why not just use all Arriva services.
(30 Dec 2019, 8:01 pm)streetdeckfan And that had exactly the same issue they're going to face with the extension to the X21.
Why would you use a GNE service if it's just one route?
If you're travelling anywhere that isn't on that route, you'll have to buy an Arriva ticket as well, and at that point, why not just use all Arriva services.
(30 Dec 2019, 8:03 pm)cbma06 Is the extension only Monday to Saturday daytime only?
Wasn’t the OK1 put on for an anniversary or something.
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(30 Dec 2019, 8:03 pm)cbma06 Is the extension only Monday to Saturday daytime only?
Wasn’t the OK1 put on for an anniversary or something.
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(30 Dec 2019, 8:01 pm)streetdeckfan And that had exactly the same issue they're going to face with the extension to the X21.
Why would you use a GNE service if it's just one route?
If you're travelling anywhere that isn't on that route, you'll have to buy an Arriva ticket as well, and at that point, why not just use all Arriva services.
(30 Dec 2019, 8:01 pm)streetdeckfan And that had exactly the same issue they're going to face with the extension to the X21.
Why would you use a GNE service if it's just one route?
If you're travelling anywhere that isn't on that route, you'll have to buy an Arriva ticket as well, and at that point, why not just use all Arriva services.
(30 Dec 2019, 8:10 pm)S813 FVK The OK1 was the service that went to the likes of Crook, Darlington, West Auckland etc that you said was needed a couple of posts back and it still only lasted 18 months.I still look back in fondness to the poster displayed on the B10s when GNE took over Hexham from Arriva. It read something along the lines of "We apologise for the condition of these buses, they aren't up to Go North East standards"
Even when people had the reason to buy a GNE ticket with the connection to the X21 in Bishop Auckland, it wasn't enough to combat the dominance of Arriva.
(30 Dec 2019, 8:10 pm)S813 FVK The OK1 was the service that went to the likes of Crook, Darlington, West Auckland etc that you said was needed a couple of posts back and it still only lasted 18 months.I still look back in fondness to the poster displayed on the B10s when GNE took over Hexham from Arriva. It read something along the lines of "We apologise for the condition of these buses, they aren't up to Go North East standards"
Even when people had the reason to buy a GNE ticket with the connection to the X21 in Bishop Auckland, it wasn't enough to combat the dominance of Arriva.
(30 Dec 2019, 8:10 pm)S813 FVK The OK1 was the service that went to the likes of Crook, Darlington, West Auckland etc that you said was needed a couple of posts back and it still only lasted 18 months.Was originally Crook - Bishop - Darlington half hourly but did nowt on Crook to Bishop stretch so that got cut to being positioning journeys only like the X46 was but at the same time was extended to Middlesbrough once an hour direct via the A66.
Even when people had the reason to buy a GNE ticket with the connection to the X21 in Bishop Auckland, it wasn't enough to combat the dominance of Arriva.
(30 Dec 2019, 8:10 pm)S813 FVK The OK1 was the service that went to the likes of Crook, Darlington, West Auckland etc that you said was needed a couple of posts back and it still only lasted 18 months.Was originally Crook - Bishop - Darlington half hourly but did nowt on Crook to Bishop stretch so that got cut to being positioning journeys only like the X46 was but at the same time was extended to Middlesbrough once an hour direct via the A66.
Even when people had the reason to buy a GNE ticket with the connection to the X21 in Bishop Auckland, it wasn't enough to combat the dominance of Arriva.
(30 Dec 2019, 8:10 pm)S813 FVK The OK1 was the service that went to the likes of Crook, Darlington, West Auckland etc that you said was needed a couple of posts back and it still only lasted 18 months.
Even when people had the reason to buy a GNE ticket with the connection to the X21 in Bishop Auckland, it wasn't enough to combat the dominance of Arriva.
(30 Dec 2019, 8:10 pm)S813 FVK The OK1 was the service that went to the likes of Crook, Darlington, West Auckland etc that you said was needed a couple of posts back and it still only lasted 18 months.
Even when people had the reason to buy a GNE ticket with the connection to the X21 in Bishop Auckland, it wasn't enough to combat the dominance of Arriva.
(30 Dec 2019, 8:10 pm)S813 FVK The OK1 was the service that went to the likes of Crook, Darlington, West Auckland etc that you said was needed a couple of posts back and it still only lasted 18 months.
Even when people had the reason to buy a GNE ticket with the connection to the X21 in Bishop Auckland, it wasn't enough to combat the dominance of Arriva.
(30 Dec 2019, 8:10 pm)S813 FVK The OK1 was the service that went to the likes of Crook, Darlington, West Auckland etc that you said was needed a couple of posts back and it still only lasted 18 months.
Even when people had the reason to buy a GNE ticket with the connection to the X21 in Bishop Auckland, it wasn't enough to combat the dominance of Arriva.
(30 Dec 2019, 8:21 pm)cbma06 So does anyone know what’s happening with the arriva buses?, has DB changed there mind or selling divisions off or as a whole as there intention was the rail side of the company and run the bus side into the ground, last I heard that in the new year to float it on the stock market or something like thatYes I heard they were pulling all arriva bus operations
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(30 Dec 2019, 8:21 pm)cbma06 So does anyone know what’s happening with the arriva buses?, has DB changed there mind or selling divisions off or as a whole as there intention was the rail side of the company and run the bus side into the ground, last I heard that in the new year to float it on the stock market or something like thatYes I heard they were pulling all arriva bus operations
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(30 Dec 2019, 8:21 pm)cbma06 So does anyone know what’s happening with the arriva buses?, has DB changed there mind or selling divisions off or as a whole as there intention was the rail side of the company and run the bus side into the ground, last I heard that in the new year to float it on the stock market or something like that
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(30 Dec 2019, 8:21 pm)cbma06 So does anyone know what’s happening with the arriva buses?, has DB changed there mind or selling divisions off or as a whole as there intention was the rail side of the company and run the bus side into the ground, last I heard that in the new year to float it on the stock market or something like that
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(30 Dec 2019, 8:21 pm)cbma06 So does anyone know what’s happening with the arriva buses?, has DB changed there mind or selling divisions off or as a whole as there intention was the rail side of the company and run the bus side into the ground, last I heard that in the new year to float it on the stock market or something like that
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(30 Dec 2019, 8:21 pm)cbma06 So does anyone know what’s happening with the arriva buses?, has DB changed there mind or selling divisions off or as a whole as there intention was the rail side of the company and run the bus side into the ground, last I heard that in the new year to float it on the stock market or something like that
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In order for GNE to succeed again in West Durham, I'd say at the bare minimum they'd need a competitor to the X46, X1, 5 and 6. That would give them coverage of Bishop Auckland, West Auckland, Crook, Willington, Newton Aycliffe, Shildon, and Darlington.
In my opinion that would give them enough reach to make travelling GNE in this area worthwhile, now that still wouldn't account for the passengers travelling further afield on Arriva services, but it would at least give them an offering through the key routes so passengers would have less of a reliance on Arriva
Be careful what you wish for..... I lived in north Newcastle in my younger days and used united/northumbria then arriva and i thought their service was bad. I now live in gateshead and have no choice but to use go north east and in my view the service is worse than arriva ever was.
TBF i think both stagecoach and arriva should dip their toe into GNE "teritory" and get GNE to pull their socks up. Its alright investing in new buses with wifi and charging point but they arn't much use to a passenger if the bus flies passed the bus stop, starts it journey in gateshead when your waiting at eldon square or not turning up at all.
(31 Dec 2019, 8:57 am)Rob44 Be careful what you wish for..... I lived in north Newcastle in my younger days and used united/northumbria then arriva and i thought their service was bad. I now live in gateshead and have no choice but to use go north east and in my view the service is worse than arriva ever was.Arriva buses would get caught up in the same heavy traffic that delays your gne bus and having lived in deepest arriva territory for many years, I can assure you that their customer service is non-existent.
TBF i think both stagecoach and arriva should dip their toe into GNE "teritory" and get GNE to pull their socks up. Its alright investing in new buses with wifi and charging point but they arn't much use to a passenger if the bus flies passed the bus stop, starts it journey in gateshead when your waiting at eldon square or not turning up at all.
(31 Dec 2019, 8:57 am)Rob44 Be careful what you wish for..... I lived in north Newcastle in my younger days and used united/northumbria then arriva and i thought their service was bad. I now live in gateshead and have no choice but to use go north east and in my view the service is worse than arriva ever was.Arriva buses would get caught up in the same heavy traffic that delays your gne bus and having lived in deepest arriva territory for many years, I can assure you that their customer service is non-existent.
TBF i think both stagecoach and arriva should dip their toe into GNE "teritory" and get GNE to pull their socks up. Its alright investing in new buses with wifi and charging point but they arn't much use to a passenger if the bus flies passed the bus stop, starts it journey in gateshead when your waiting at eldon square or not turning up at all.
(30 Dec 2019, 8:38 pm)streetdeckfan In order for GNE to succeed again in West Durham, I'd say at the bare minimum they'd need a competitor to the X46, X1, 5 and 6. That would give them coverage of Bishop Auckland, West Auckland, Crook, Willington, Newton Aycliffe, Shildon, and Darlington.
In my opinion that would give them enough reach to make travelling GNE in this area worthwhile, now that still wouldn't account for the passengers travelling further afield on Arriva services, but it would at least give them an offering through the key routes so passengers would have less of a reliance on Arriva
(31 Dec 2019, 8:57 am)Rob44 Be careful what you wish for..... I lived in north Newcastle in my younger days and used united/northumbria then arriva and i thought their service was bad. I now live in gateshead and have no choice but to use go north east and in my view the service is worse than arriva ever was.
TBF i think both stagecoach and arriva should dip their toe into GNE "teritory" and get GNE to pull their socks up. Its alright investing in new buses with wifi and charging point but they arn't much use to a passenger if the bus flies passed the bus stop, starts it journey in gateshead when your waiting at eldon square or not turning up at all.
(30 Dec 2019, 8:38 pm)streetdeckfan In order for GNE to succeed again in West Durham, I'd say at the bare minimum they'd need a competitor to the X46, X1, 5 and 6. That would give them coverage of Bishop Auckland, West Auckland, Crook, Willington, Newton Aycliffe, Shildon, and Darlington.
In my opinion that would give them enough reach to make travelling GNE in this area worthwhile, now that still wouldn't account for the passengers travelling further afield on Arriva services, but it would at least give them an offering through the key routes so passengers would have less of a reliance on Arriva
(31 Dec 2019, 8:57 am)Rob44 Be careful what you wish for..... I lived in north Newcastle in my younger days and used united/northumbria then arriva and i thought their service was bad. I now live in gateshead and have no choice but to use go north east and in my view the service is worse than arriva ever was.
TBF i think both stagecoach and arriva should dip their toe into GNE "teritory" and get GNE to pull their socks up. Its alright investing in new buses with wifi and charging point but they arn't much use to a passenger if the bus flies passed the bus stop, starts it journey in gateshead when your waiting at eldon square or not turning up at all.
I used the 44 when it was Whitley bay - Hazlerigg back in the day. it was very rarely on time TBF but it always came in my experience. They never said tough its now starting from Gosforth high street - get your ass there to get it! Also in my experience when you put your hand out for an Arriva it stops. My partner was waiting at the bus stop at on way to town for work and it drove straight passed..... luckily I was in so she rang me and I dropped her in town. Rang customer service and after 7 days they got back to her to say sorry we've check the CCTV and he did drive passed.... he was new to the route? Maybe they should make the bus stop shelter and sign bigger?
Storx - what you say make a lot of sense, but take the 21 GNE for example. I've stood in the rain and seen a number of half full 21 zoom passed with NIS on trying probably to catch up on time. Then surprise surprise the next 21 is full so cant get on that either. 40 minutes for a 10 minute service. Imagine if arriva put competition on the route ( not the poor X12) do you think GNE bus would zoom past money waiting at the bus stop if they thought that money would go to arriva? Of course not. And it give the passengers another choice of company to use and drives fares down.
