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Michael



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20 Feb 2020, 6:57 pm #201
Dan confirmed on Twitter that 3943 has been re-registered as NK05GZR, with 7110 re-registered as FCU190

Alos confirmed 3943 will be put in GNE livery and will be used on School contracts.

https://twitter.com/DanGrahamGNE/status/...7372453895

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
20 Feb 2020, 6:57 pm #201

Dan confirmed on Twitter that 3943 has been re-registered as NK05GZR, with 7110 re-registered as FCU190

Alos confirmed 3943 will be put in GNE livery and will be used on School contracts.

https://twitter.com/DanGrahamGNE/status/...7372453895


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

GNE6312



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20 Feb 2020, 7:00 pm #202
(20 Feb 2020, 5:21 pm)Coppercap40 9069 and 6007 had a coming together in Eldon Sq bus stn this afternoon
As in a crash? Was anyone fine and is 9069 fine and repairable as I had it this morning and it was amazing.
GNE6312
20 Feb 2020, 7:00 pm #202

(20 Feb 2020, 5:21 pm)Coppercap40 9069 and 6007 had a coming together in Eldon Sq bus stn this afternoon
As in a crash? Was anyone fine and is 9069 fine and repairable as I had it this morning and it was amazing.

21 Feb 2020, 1:28 am #203
(20 Feb 2020, 5:04 pm)Andreos1 There's no obvious reason to me, why this is being done.

I'd have to agree with you on this one - I'd consider myself an enthusiast and even I  don't get it...

(20 Feb 2020, 5:21 pm)Coppercap40 9069 and 6007 had a coming together in Eldon Sq bus stn this afternoon

9069 is the Panther, isn't it? I reckon there'll be a tea and no biscuits meeting after this, eh?
hughjohnson088
21 Feb 2020, 1:28 am #203

(20 Feb 2020, 5:04 pm)Andreos1 There's no obvious reason to me, why this is being done.

I'd have to agree with you on this one - I'd consider myself an enthusiast and even I  don't get it...

(20 Feb 2020, 5:21 pm)Coppercap40 9069 and 6007 had a coming together in Eldon Sq bus stn this afternoon

9069 is the Panther, isn't it? I reckon there'll be a tea and no biscuits meeting after this, eh?

21 Feb 2020, 3:15 am #204
(20 Feb 2020, 5:04 pm)Andreos1 Never knew AG ended up as part of EY. Always associated it with the PTE and Busways. 

There's some interesting comments on this Flickr image: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/fray_bentos/4977515184

I've kept quiet on these liveries on purpose. 
I like them, I think they've done a good job doing them and from an enthusiasts perspective, I think it's a cracking idea. 
There's a but coming...

But... 
I don't get it from a non enthusiasts point of view. 
There's no obvious ties to GNE and if I was a passenger getting on to a rail replacement, I'd just think I was getting on an independent operators coach. 
There's no obvious reason to me, why this is being done.

Does there need to be a point or reason? It gives them an opportunity to be a bit more creative than they can on their usual vehicles, while paying homage to brands of the past.
At the end of the day, their coach operations are just something they do on the side, there doesn't need to be brand recognition the same way they do with public services.
streetdeckfan
21 Feb 2020, 3:15 am #204

(20 Feb 2020, 5:04 pm)Andreos1 Never knew AG ended up as part of EY. Always associated it with the PTE and Busways. 

There's some interesting comments on this Flickr image: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/fray_bentos/4977515184

I've kept quiet on these liveries on purpose. 
I like them, I think they've done a good job doing them and from an enthusiasts perspective, I think it's a cracking idea. 
There's a but coming...

But... 
I don't get it from a non enthusiasts point of view. 
There's no obvious ties to GNE and if I was a passenger getting on to a rail replacement, I'd just think I was getting on an independent operators coach. 
There's no obvious reason to me, why this is being done.

Does there need to be a point or reason? It gives them an opportunity to be a bit more creative than they can on their usual vehicles, while paying homage to brands of the past.
At the end of the day, their coach operations are just something they do on the side, there doesn't need to be brand recognition the same way they do with public services.

Andreos1



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21 Feb 2020, 10:34 am #205
(21 Feb 2020, 3:15 am)streetdeckfan Does there need to be a point or reason? It gives them an opportunity to be a bit more creative than they can on their usual vehicles, while paying homage to brands of the past.
At the end of the day, their coach operations are just something they do on the side, there doesn't need to be brand recognition the same way they do with public services.

Of course there does. 
You just don't sign off and approve a design, paint job and associated costs without having a business case (justification and reasoning included) behind it.
Particularly when they're in the middle of a re-branding project, which sees vehicles floating around in a mixture of identies.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
21 Feb 2020, 10:34 am #205

(21 Feb 2020, 3:15 am)streetdeckfan Does there need to be a point or reason? It gives them an opportunity to be a bit more creative than they can on their usual vehicles, while paying homage to brands of the past.
At the end of the day, their coach operations are just something they do on the side, there doesn't need to be brand recognition the same way they do with public services.

Of course there does. 
You just don't sign off and approve a design, paint job and associated costs without having a business case (justification and reasoning included) behind it.
Particularly when they're in the middle of a re-branding project, which sees vehicles floating around in a mixture of identies.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

21 Feb 2020, 10:39 am #206
(21 Feb 2020, 10:34 am)Andreos1 Of course there does. 
You just don't sign off and approve a design, paint job and associated costs without having a business case (justification and reasoning included) behind it.
Particularly when they're in the middle of a re-branding project, which sees vehicles floating around in a mixture of identies.

Obviously from that perspective there needs to be a reason, but I was responding from more of the perspective of the non-enthusiast that you were mentioning.
I do agree with your point about the timing of the re-paints, although with the StreetDeck delay I'd imagine there could be some spare slots as vehicles may not be able to be off the road long enough for a repaint!
streetdeckfan
21 Feb 2020, 10:39 am #206

(21 Feb 2020, 10:34 am)Andreos1 Of course there does. 
You just don't sign off and approve a design, paint job and associated costs without having a business case (justification and reasoning included) behind it.
Particularly when they're in the middle of a re-branding project, which sees vehicles floating around in a mixture of identies.

Obviously from that perspective there needs to be a reason, but I was responding from more of the perspective of the non-enthusiast that you were mentioning.
I do agree with your point about the timing of the re-paints, although with the StreetDeck delay I'd imagine there could be some spare slots as vehicles may not be able to be off the road long enough for a repaint!

N1cholas



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21 Feb 2020, 10:53 am #207
These coaches look so much better than before, fresh, clean and i bet by the end of the weekend pictures from enthusiasts will be all over the web, clicks to northerncoaching.co.uk will probably get some numbers, it may be a gimmick but it is different, and looks a lot better than tatty looking white coaches where you can see where the nat ex vinyls used to be
N1cholas
21 Feb 2020, 10:53 am #207

These coaches look so much better than before, fresh, clean and i bet by the end of the weekend pictures from enthusiasts will be all over the web, clicks to northerncoaching.co.uk will probably get some numbers, it may be a gimmick but it is different, and looks a lot better than tatty looking white coaches where you can see where the nat ex vinyls used to be

Andreos1



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21 Feb 2020, 11:19 am #208
(21 Feb 2020, 10:53 am)N1cholas These coaches look so much better than before, fresh, clean and i bet by the end of the weekend pictures from enthusiasts will be all over the web, clicks to northerncoaching.co.uk will probably get some numbers, it may be a gimmick but it is different, and looks a lot better than tatty looking white coaches where you can see where the nat ex vinyls used to be

I agree they look good. Think I said as much in my original post. 

However, I still don't get the reasoning behind it though.
There will be one and I'm happy to hear what it is, but I'd be very surprised if they're doing it simply to attract enthusiasts and their cameras.

When the website is launched (I presume that's the plan, with having the address set up), it may all become clearer.
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'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
21 Feb 2020, 11:19 am #208

(21 Feb 2020, 10:53 am)N1cholas These coaches look so much better than before, fresh, clean and i bet by the end of the weekend pictures from enthusiasts will be all over the web, clicks to northerncoaching.co.uk will probably get some numbers, it may be a gimmick but it is different, and looks a lot better than tatty looking white coaches where you can see where the nat ex vinyls used to be

I agree they look good. Think I said as much in my original post. 

However, I still don't get the reasoning behind it though.
There will be one and I'm happy to hear what it is, but I'd be very surprised if they're doing it simply to attract enthusiasts and their cameras.

When the website is launched (I presume that's the plan, with having the address set up), it may all become clearer.

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'Illegitimis non carborundum'

21 Feb 2020, 1:23 pm #209
Are GNE having a lot more breakdowns and 'incidents' on board than usual, or their social media are actually starting to post updates when services aren't running now?
streetdeckfan
21 Feb 2020, 1:23 pm #209

Are GNE having a lot more breakdowns and 'incidents' on board than usual, or their social media are actually starting to post updates when services aren't running now?

Michael



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21 Feb 2020, 1:48 pm #210
(21 Feb 2020, 1:23 pm)streetdeckfan Are GNE having a lot more breakdowns and 'incidents' on board than usual, or their social media are actually starting to post updates when services aren't running now?

Think they're letting people know more now than before, because at point they only ever mentioned the X9/X10 breakdowns.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
21 Feb 2020, 1:48 pm #210

(21 Feb 2020, 1:23 pm)streetdeckfan Are GNE having a lot more breakdowns and 'incidents' on board than usual, or their social media are actually starting to post updates when services aren't running now?

Think they're letting people know more now than before, because at point they only ever mentioned the X9/X10 breakdowns.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

21 Feb 2020, 3:46 pm #211
On one hand, all credit to the team for putting up all the breakdowns and issues. but the normal "customer" on the comments section just love to poke fun at GNE.

There were 5 breakdowns one day and the comments just kept rolling about how awful GNE were. No one cared that out of a fleet of 700+ vehicles only 5 were VOR which is a tiny tiny percentage of the overall fleet and is credit to good maintenance or lack of them reporting breakdowns on SM Wink
WheelBus1986
21 Feb 2020, 3:46 pm #211

On one hand, all credit to the team for putting up all the breakdowns and issues. but the normal "customer" on the comments section just love to poke fun at GNE.

There were 5 breakdowns one day and the comments just kept rolling about how awful GNE were. No one cared that out of a fleet of 700+ vehicles only 5 were VOR which is a tiny tiny percentage of the overall fleet and is credit to good maintenance or lack of them reporting breakdowns on SM Wink

21 Feb 2020, 4:01 pm #212
(21 Feb 2020, 3:46 pm)WheelBus1986 On one hand, all credit to the team for putting up all the breakdowns and issues. but the normal "customer" on the comments section just love to poke fun at GNE.

There were 5 breakdowns one day and the comments just kept rolling about how awful GNE were. No one cared that out of a fleet of 700+ vehicles only 5 were VOR which is a tiny tiny percentage of the overall fleet and is credit to good maintenance or lack of them reporting breakdowns on SM Wink

Some of the comments people put up are absolutely pathetic, but they make for some good light entertainment!

The thing is, GNE could have no breakdowns, and run every bus exactly to timetable and people would still complain saying it turned up late!
I mean, as everyone knows I do love a good complaint, but only when it's deserved! If I complained on Twitter every time the X21 was over 2 minutes late, GNE would have blocked me!
streetdeckfan
21 Feb 2020, 4:01 pm #212

(21 Feb 2020, 3:46 pm)WheelBus1986 On one hand, all credit to the team for putting up all the breakdowns and issues. but the normal "customer" on the comments section just love to poke fun at GNE.

There were 5 breakdowns one day and the comments just kept rolling about how awful GNE were. No one cared that out of a fleet of 700+ vehicles only 5 were VOR which is a tiny tiny percentage of the overall fleet and is credit to good maintenance or lack of them reporting breakdowns on SM Wink

Some of the comments people put up are absolutely pathetic, but they make for some good light entertainment!

The thing is, GNE could have no breakdowns, and run every bus exactly to timetable and people would still complain saying it turned up late!
I mean, as everyone knows I do love a good complaint, but only when it's deserved! If I complained on Twitter every time the X21 was over 2 minutes late, GNE would have blocked me!

Stanleyone

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21 Feb 2020, 4:31 pm #213
(21 Feb 2020, 4:01 pm)streetdeckfan Some of the comments people put up are absolutely pathetic, but they make for some good light entertainment!

The thing is, GNE could have no breakdowns, and run every bus exactly to timetable and people would still complain saying it turned up late!
I mean, as everyone knows I do love a good complaint, but only when it's deserved! If I complained on Twitter every time the X21 was over 2 minutes late, GNE would have blocked me!
Some of the comments are from people who don’t live on the route or never use buses at all, yet like to get the attention of other “genuine” passengers. I refer to these as trolls but unable to call them out.
Stanleyone
21 Feb 2020, 4:31 pm #213

(21 Feb 2020, 4:01 pm)streetdeckfan Some of the comments people put up are absolutely pathetic, but they make for some good light entertainment!

The thing is, GNE could have no breakdowns, and run every bus exactly to timetable and people would still complain saying it turned up late!
I mean, as everyone knows I do love a good complaint, but only when it's deserved! If I complained on Twitter every time the X21 was over 2 minutes late, GNE would have blocked me!
Some of the comments are from people who don’t live on the route or never use buses at all, yet like to get the attention of other “genuine” passengers. I refer to these as trolls but unable to call them out.

21 Feb 2020, 6:30 pm #214
This might be the wrong place for this...is Newcastle Airport good for plane spotting these days? (I have posted this here as I would get the 42A there...).
OrangeArrow49
21 Feb 2020, 6:30 pm #214

This might be the wrong place for this...is Newcastle Airport good for plane spotting these days? (I have posted this here as I would get the 42A there...).

Wybus



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21 Feb 2020, 6:43 pm #215
(21 Feb 2020, 10:39 am)streetdeckfan Obviously from that perspective there needs to be a reason, but I was responding from more of the perspective of the non-enthusiast that you were mentioning.
I do agree with your point about the timing of the re-paints, although with the StreetDeck delay I'd imagine there could be some spare slots as vehicles may not be able to be off the road long enough for a repaint!
If they’d come up with a new Northern Coaching livery and brand, I could see the point, if they’d have based it on an old coaching livery from the past, I could see the point in that as well.

But I see little point in using these old names, a different one on each vehicle, especially ones like Charterplan which has no connection to the north east. A passenger will just think a load of different firms have turned up to do the rail replacement or the contact work.

It’s strange when at the same time they are dropping many quirky Geordie brands on the bus network replacing them with either corporate vehicles or much more generic brands that could be used anywhere.
Wybus
21 Feb 2020, 6:43 pm #215

(21 Feb 2020, 10:39 am)streetdeckfan Obviously from that perspective there needs to be a reason, but I was responding from more of the perspective of the non-enthusiast that you were mentioning.
I do agree with your point about the timing of the re-paints, although with the StreetDeck delay I'd imagine there could be some spare slots as vehicles may not be able to be off the road long enough for a repaint!
If they’d come up with a new Northern Coaching livery and brand, I could see the point, if they’d have based it on an old coaching livery from the past, I could see the point in that as well.

But I see little point in using these old names, a different one on each vehicle, especially ones like Charterplan which has no connection to the north east. A passenger will just think a load of different firms have turned up to do the rail replacement or the contact work.

It’s strange when at the same time they are dropping many quirky Geordie brands on the bus network replacing them with either corporate vehicles or much more generic brands that could be used anywhere.

22 Feb 2020, 10:58 am #216
(21 Feb 2020, 6:43 pm)Wybus But I see little point in using these old names, a different one on each vehicle, especially ones like Charterplan which has no connection to the north east. A passenger will just think a load of different firms have turned up to do the rail replacement or the contact work.

And when a plain white coach turns up they'll think it's just a large faceless corporation doing it!
I'm sure the image they want to portray to passengers is that they are a small local firm doing it.
streetdeckfan
22 Feb 2020, 10:58 am #216

(21 Feb 2020, 6:43 pm)Wybus But I see little point in using these old names, a different one on each vehicle, especially ones like Charterplan which has no connection to the north east. A passenger will just think a load of different firms have turned up to do the rail replacement or the contact work.

And when a plain white coach turns up they'll think it's just a large faceless corporation doing it!
I'm sure the image they want to portray to passengers is that they are a small local firm doing it.

Dan

Site Administrator

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22 Feb 2020, 11:14 am #217
(22 Feb 2020, 10:58 am)streetdeckfan And when a plain white coach turns up they'll think it's just a large faceless corporation doing it!
I'm sure the image they want to portray to passengers is that they are a small local firm doing it.

I bet I can guess at least one question being asked on Monday night..!
Dan
22 Feb 2020, 11:14 am #217

(22 Feb 2020, 10:58 am)streetdeckfan And when a plain white coach turns up they'll think it's just a large faceless corporation doing it!
I'm sure the image they want to portray to passengers is that they are a small local firm doing it.

I bet I can guess at least one question being asked on Monday night..!

22 Feb 2020, 11:17 am #218
(22 Feb 2020, 11:14 am)Dan I bet I can guess at least one question being asked on Monday night..!

Do they have NSA? ?
streetdeckfan
22 Feb 2020, 11:17 am #218

(22 Feb 2020, 11:14 am)Dan I bet I can guess at least one question being asked on Monday night..!

Do they have NSA? ?

Michael



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22 Feb 2020, 11:20 am #219
(22 Feb 2020, 11:17 am)streetdeckfan Do they have NSA? ?

Doubt it, the coaches are for private hire, i even doubt national express have stop announcements, pointless if you ask me.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
22 Feb 2020, 11:20 am #219

(22 Feb 2020, 11:17 am)streetdeckfan Do they have NSA? ?

Doubt it, the coaches are for private hire, i even doubt national express have stop announcements, pointless if you ask me.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

22 Feb 2020, 11:23 am #220
(22 Feb 2020, 11:20 am)Michael Doubt it, the coaches are for private hire, i even doubt national express have stop announcements, pointless if you ask me.

I know, that question was in jest as it's fairly obvious they wont, since Dan seems to think the only thing I care about is the NSA!
streetdeckfan
22 Feb 2020, 11:23 am #220

(22 Feb 2020, 11:20 am)Michael Doubt it, the coaches are for private hire, i even doubt national express have stop announcements, pointless if you ask me.

I know, that question was in jest as it's fairly obvious they wont, since Dan seems to think the only thing I care about is the NSA!

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