Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(16 Apr 2020, 10:37 am)Storx If you do this you might aswell terminate the 309 at Cobalt and have a few peak runs to Blyth as no-one will use it and downgrade them all to mini buses. This isn't the first time you've totally ignored 3/4 of a bus route. The 309 is Newcastle -> Battle Hill -> Cobalt -> N Tyneside Hospital -> Whitley Bay -> Seaton Sluice -> South Beach -> Blyth. You've just gone and decimated the bit in bold from every 15 mins to 30 mins, where there's competition with Arriva who will be laughing. You do realise the 308 is one of Arriva NE's top performing routes right?You've got to remember that there will likely (although 100% certain) be a lot of changes to people's travel patterns post C19 for various reasons. Bus operators (not just GNE) will need to likely adapt to that and change their services to reflect the shift in travel patterns.
(16 Apr 2020, 10:37 am)Storx If you do this you might aswell terminate the 309 at Cobalt and have a few peak runs to Blyth as no-one will use it and downgrade them all to mini buses. This isn't the first time you've totally ignored 3/4 of a bus route. The 309 is Newcastle -> Battle Hill -> Cobalt -> N Tyneside Hospital -> Whitley Bay -> Seaton Sluice -> South Beach -> Blyth. You've just gone and decimated the bit in bold from every 15 mins to 30 mins, where there's competition with Arriva who will be laughing. You do realise the 308 is one of Arriva NE's top performing routes right?You've got to remember that there will likely (although 100% certain) be a lot of changes to people's travel patterns post C19 for various reasons. Bus operators (not just GNE) will need to likely adapt to that and change their services to reflect the shift in travel patterns.
(16 Apr 2020, 4:27 pm)L469 YVK You've got to remember that there will likely (although 100% certain) be a lot of changes to people's travel patterns post C19 for various reasons. Bus operators (not just GNE) will need to likely adapt to that and change their services to reflect the shift in travel patterns.
For starters, 3/4 of a route wouldn't be ignored. The frequency would be reduced to reflect demand and I can see Arriva even potentially doing the same (albeit every 20 minutes each). GNE for all we know might just decide to 'sweat it out' and wait for Arriva & Stagecoach to crack by cutting their frequencies and service levels (22, 22x, x6, 306, 308) and subsequently come out better off.
The timings BTW aren't an idea as such but more a thought of what could potentially be implemented by GNE in response to changing travel patterns.
But as I've said above, all operators will likely need to adapt various routes in response to travel patterns potentially changing.
(16 Apr 2020, 4:27 pm)L469 YVK You've got to remember that there will likely (although 100% certain) be a lot of changes to people's travel patterns post C19 for various reasons. Bus operators (not just GNE) will need to likely adapt to that and change their services to reflect the shift in travel patterns.
For starters, 3/4 of a route wouldn't be ignored. The frequency would be reduced to reflect demand and I can see Arriva even potentially doing the same (albeit every 20 minutes each). GNE for all we know might just decide to 'sweat it out' and wait for Arriva & Stagecoach to crack by cutting their frequencies and service levels (22, 22x, x6, 306, 308) and subsequently come out better off.
The timings BTW aren't an idea as such but more a thought of what could potentially be implemented by GNE in response to changing travel patterns.
But as I've said above, all operators will likely need to adapt various routes in response to travel patterns potentially changing.
(16 Apr 2020, 4:27 pm)L469 YVK You've got to remember that there will likely (although 100% certain) be a lot of changes to people's travel patterns post C19 for various reasons. Bus operators (not just GNE) will need to likely adapt to that and change their services to reflect the shift in travel patterns.
For starters, 3/4 of a route wouldn't be ignored. The frequency would be reduced to reflect demand and I can see Arriva even potentially doing the same (albeit every 20 minutes each). GNE for all we know might just decide to 'sweat it out' and wait for Arriva & Stagecoach to crack by cutting their frequencies and service levels (22, 22x, x6, 306, 308) and subsequently come out better off.
The timings BTW aren't an idea as such but more a thought of what could potentially be implemented by GNE in response to changing travel patterns.
But as I've said above, all operators will likely need to adapt various routes in response to travel patterns potentially changing.
(16 Apr 2020, 4:27 pm)L469 YVK You've got to remember that there will likely (although 100% certain) be a lot of changes to people's travel patterns post C19 for various reasons. Bus operators (not just GNE) will need to likely adapt to that and change their services to reflect the shift in travel patterns.
For starters, 3/4 of a route wouldn't be ignored. The frequency would be reduced to reflect demand and I can see Arriva even potentially doing the same (albeit every 20 minutes each). GNE for all we know might just decide to 'sweat it out' and wait for Arriva & Stagecoach to crack by cutting their frequencies and service levels (22, 22x, x6, 306, 308) and subsequently come out better off.
The timings BTW aren't an idea as such but more a thought of what could potentially be implemented by GNE in response to changing travel patterns.
But as I've said above, all operators will likely need to adapt various routes in response to travel patterns potentially changing.
The 26/27.
Currently it takes (accounting for traffic) around 45 minutes from Hebburn to Newcastle.
I know in the past an X27 was trialled (and failed) simply because when it's working - the Metro is the only logical option to commute or use for leisure into Newcastle and the Gateshead suburbs,
There are small improvements you could make. If you ran either the 26 or 27 direct from Hebburn Fire Station through Victoria Road East and rejoin the route as is at Station Road you'd shave a decent chunk of time off whilst still leaving Monkton Lane with the 9 or the alternative 26/7.
(17 Apr 2020, 12:02 pm)Ambassador The 26/27.
Currently it takes (accounting for traffic) around 45 minutes from Hebburn to Newcastle.
I know in the past an X27 was trialled (and failed) simply because when it's working - the Metro is the only logical option to commute or use for leisure into Newcastle and the Gateshead suburbs,
There are small improvements you could make. If you ran either the 26 or 27 direct from Hebburn Fire Station through Victoria Road East and rejoin the route as is at Station Road you'd shave a decent chunk of time off whilst still leaving Monkton Lane with the 9 or the alternative 26/7.
(17 Apr 2020, 12:02 pm)Ambassador The 26/27.
Currently it takes (accounting for traffic) around 45 minutes from Hebburn to Newcastle.
I know in the past an X27 was trialled (and failed) simply because when it's working - the Metro is the only logical option to commute or use for leisure into Newcastle and the Gateshead suburbs,
There are small improvements you could make. If you ran either the 26 or 27 direct from Hebburn Fire Station through Victoria Road East and rejoin the route as is at Station Road you'd shave a decent chunk of time off whilst still leaving Monkton Lane with the 9 or the alternative 26/7.
(17 Apr 2020, 12:27 pm)streetdeckfan It's a logical choice assuming you have a ticket that allows you to travel on the Metro (which, granted, most people who live in that area would opt for)Isnt that the route the old 27 or 27A took?
I would personally prefer to take the bus rather than the Metro, even if it does take well over an hour. Things might change when they get the new trains
(17 Apr 2020, 12:27 pm)streetdeckfan It's a logical choice assuming you have a ticket that allows you to travel on the Metro (which, granted, most people who live in that area would opt for)Isnt that the route the old 27 or 27A took?
I would personally prefer to take the bus rather than the Metro, even if it does take well over an hour. Things might change when they get the new trains
(17 Apr 2020, 12:27 pm)streetdeckfan It's a logical choice assuming you have a ticket that allows you to travel on the Metro (which, granted, most people who live in that area would opt for)
I would personally prefer to take the bus rather than the Metro, even if it does take well over an hour. Things might change when they get the new trains
(17 Apr 2020, 12:27 pm)streetdeckfan It's a logical choice assuming you have a ticket that allows you to travel on the Metro (which, granted, most people who live in that area would opt for)
I would personally prefer to take the bus rather than the Metro, even if it does take well over an hour. Things might change when they get the new trains
(17 Apr 2020, 12:53 pm)Ambassador There speaks an enthusiast and not a realist. It's a logical choice regardless really.
People don't have the time or in the inclination to sit on a bus for 45 minutes when they could stand for 13 minutes and be in the city centre.
(17 Apr 2020, 12:53 pm)Ambassador There speaks an enthusiast and not a realist. It's a logical choice regardless really.
People don't have the time or in the inclination to sit on a bus for 45 minutes when they could stand for 13 minutes and be in the city centre.
Borne out of the discussion in the GNE latest thread and the will it/won't it 14/X22 conversation, I started to think about merging the two.
X22 as it is from Metrocentre to Plawsworth Red Lion - Sacriston Cross Roads - Fyndoune - current 13 route to Durham - Nevilles Cross - fast to Langley Park via A167/A691 and Witton Gilbert.
13 will no longer operate.
14 - to continue current route and frequency.
All connections maintained and new options opened up.
I've not played about with timetables just yet.
(17 Apr 2020, 4:01 pm)Andreos1 Borne out of the discussion in the GNE latest thread and the will it/won't it 14/X22 conversation, I started to think about merging the two.Issue with that is it may then be faster to take the X21 then the X66 which would then defeat the purpose of the X22.
X22 as it is from Metrocentre to Plawsworth Red Lion - Sacriston Cross Roads - Fyndoune - current 13 route to Durham - Nevilles Cross - fast to Langley Park via A167/A691 and Witton Gilbert.
13 will no longer operate.
14 - to continue current route and frequency.
All connections maintained and new options opened up.
I've not played about with timetables just yet.
(17 Apr 2020, 4:01 pm)Andreos1 Borne out of the discussion in the GNE latest thread and the will it/won't it 14/X22 conversation, I started to think about merging the two.Issue with that is it may then be faster to take the X21 then the X66 which would then defeat the purpose of the X22.
X22 as it is from Metrocentre to Plawsworth Red Lion - Sacriston Cross Roads - Fyndoune - current 13 route to Durham - Nevilles Cross - fast to Langley Park via A167/A691 and Witton Gilbert.
13 will no longer operate.
14 - to continue current route and frequency.
All connections maintained and new options opened up.
I've not played about with timetables just yet.
(17 Apr 2020, 4:16 pm)streetdeckfan Issue with that is it may then be faster to take the X21 then the X66 which would then defeat the purpose of the X22.
There's not much difference in it as it is (as long as you get lucky with the connections)
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(17 Apr 2020, 4:16 pm)streetdeckfan Issue with that is it may then be faster to take the X21 then the X66 which would then defeat the purpose of the X22.
There's not much difference in it as it is (as long as you get lucky with the connections)
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(17 Apr 2020, 4:20 pm)Andreos1 Faster for who on the X21/X66?
The people from Langley Park? Witton Gilbert? Sacriston? Chester? Birtley? Or just those getting on/off in Durham city centre?
(17 Apr 2020, 4:20 pm)Andreos1 Faster for who on the X21/X66?
The people from Langley Park? Witton Gilbert? Sacriston? Chester? Birtley? Or just those getting on/off in Durham city centre?
The 14 may well be combined with an express service when this is all over, just not the X22. Who knows when it'll happen now though.
(17 Apr 2020, 5:02 pm)deanmachine The 14 may well be combined with an express service when this is all over, just not the X22. Who knows when it'll happen now though.
(17 Apr 2020, 5:02 pm)deanmachine The 14 may well be combined with an express service when this is all over, just not the X22. Who knows when it'll happen now though.
(17 Apr 2020, 4:01 pm)Andreos1 Borne out of the discussion in the GNE latest thread and the will it/won't it 14/X22 conversation, I started to think about merging the two.A slightly different take that I've just thought of:
X22 as it is from Metrocentre to Plawsworth Red Lion - Sacriston Cross Roads - Fyndoune - current 13 route to Durham - Nevilles Cross - fast to Langley Park via A167/A691 and Witton Gilbert.
13 will no longer operate.
14 - to continue current route and frequency.
All connections maintained and new options opened up.
I've not played about with timetables just yet.
(17 Apr 2020, 4:01 pm)Andreos1 Borne out of the discussion in the GNE latest thread and the will it/won't it 14/X22 conversation, I started to think about merging the two.A slightly different take that I've just thought of:
X22 as it is from Metrocentre to Plawsworth Red Lion - Sacriston Cross Roads - Fyndoune - current 13 route to Durham - Nevilles Cross - fast to Langley Park via A167/A691 and Witton Gilbert.
13 will no longer operate.
14 - to continue current route and frequency.
All connections maintained and new options opened up.
I've not played about with timetables just yet.
(17 Apr 2020, 4:37 pm)streetdeckfan Since I don't have a copy of the current X22 timetable saved and GNE have decided to remove it from their website I can't get the exact timings, but from memory it takes about 50 minutes to get from Durham to Metrocentre on the X22, and on the X21 and X66 (if you get lucky) it takes about an hour. So that's only 10 minutes difference.Yep, pre CV, it was nice to get the X22 but if I wasn't ready at the right point of the hour, I wouldn't go out of my way for it. (almost definitely why Arriva's X24 died a death, being only every other hour - I didn't even go out of my way to link to it from deepest arrivaland)
From CLS, it takes about half an hour on the X22 and 45 minutes on the X21/X66, so if you're travelling from south of Plawsworth it'll be faster X21/X66. And since the X22 would then no longer serve Fram or Pity Me, they would lose a direct connection to Metrocentre.
Obviously with the part north of Plawsworth being unchanged, the X22 would continue to be faster, although with the X21 and X66 being more frequent, depending on when you're leaving it may be faster up to CLS.
(17 Apr 2020, 6:42 pm)Jimmi A slightly different take that I've just thought of:There's always a decent crowd waiting for the 14 both ways at Arnison.
13 - remain as is
14 - withdrawn
21 - from Plawsworth divert via Nettlesworth and Scriston rather than A167 & Pity Me to reach Uni Hospital
Cons to my suggestions are:
the loss of a link to the Arnison Centre from Sacriston etc and leaving Kimblesworth with no bus.
Reduction in services between Framwellgate Moor and Plawsworth.
Realistically the X22 & X88 could be interworked no problem at all really on a Saturday at least
(17 Apr 2020, 4:37 pm)streetdeckfan Since I don't have a copy of the current X22 timetable saved and GNE have decided to remove it from their website I can't get the exact timings, but from memory it takes about 50 minutes to get from Durham to Metrocentre on the X22, and on the X21 and X66 (if you get lucky) it takes about an hour. So that's only 10 minutes difference.Yep, pre CV, it was nice to get the X22 but if I wasn't ready at the right point of the hour, I wouldn't go out of my way for it. (almost definitely why Arriva's X24 died a death, being only every other hour - I didn't even go out of my way to link to it from deepest arrivaland)
From CLS, it takes about half an hour on the X22 and 45 minutes on the X21/X66, so if you're travelling from south of Plawsworth it'll be faster X21/X66. And since the X22 would then no longer serve Fram or Pity Me, they would lose a direct connection to Metrocentre.
Obviously with the part north of Plawsworth being unchanged, the X22 would continue to be faster, although with the X21 and X66 being more frequent, depending on when you're leaving it may be faster up to CLS.
(17 Apr 2020, 6:42 pm)Jimmi A slightly different take that I've just thought of:There's always a decent crowd waiting for the 14 both ways at Arnison.
13 - remain as is
14 - withdrawn
21 - from Plawsworth divert via Nettlesworth and Scriston rather than A167 & Pity Me to reach Uni Hospital
Cons to my suggestions are:
the loss of a link to the Arnison Centre from Sacriston etc and leaving Kimblesworth with no bus.
Reduction in services between Framwellgate Moor and Plawsworth.
Realistically the X22 & X88 could be interworked no problem at all really on a Saturday at least
(17 Apr 2020, 4:37 pm)streetdeckfan Since I don't have a copy of the current X22 timetable saved and GNE have decided to remove it from their website I can't get the exact timings, but from memory it takes about 50 minutes to get from Durham to Metrocentre on the X22, and on the X21 and X66 (if you get lucky) it takes about an hour. So that's only 10 minutes difference.
From CLS, it takes about half an hour on the X22 and 45 minutes on the X21/X66, so if you're travelling from south of Plawsworth it'll be faster X21/X66. And since the X22 would then no longer serve Fram or Pity Me, they would lose a direct connection to Metrocentre.
Obviously with the part north of Plawsworth being unchanged, the X22 would continue to be faster, although with the X21 and X66 being more frequent, depending on when you're leaving it may be faster up to CLS.
(17 Apr 2020, 4:37 pm)streetdeckfan Since I don't have a copy of the current X22 timetable saved and GNE have decided to remove it from their website I can't get the exact timings, but from memory it takes about 50 minutes to get from Durham to Metrocentre on the X22, and on the X21 and X66 (if you get lucky) it takes about an hour. So that's only 10 minutes difference.
From CLS, it takes about half an hour on the X22 and 45 minutes on the X21/X66, so if you're travelling from south of Plawsworth it'll be faster X21/X66. And since the X22 would then no longer serve Fram or Pity Me, they would lose a direct connection to Metrocentre.
Obviously with the part north of Plawsworth being unchanged, the X22 would continue to be faster, although with the X21 and X66 being more frequent, depending on when you're leaving it may be faster up to CLS.
(18 Apr 2020, 10:03 am)Andreos1 To be honest, I forgot about the Pity Me/Fram bit.
However, I would argue that mile or so is more than adequately covered with the 21 and X21. I obviously don't have passenger data, but from experience I would think the X22 is the least used of the current Tyneside bound services on this stretch.
(18 Apr 2020, 10:03 am)Andreos1 To be honest, I forgot about the Pity Me/Fram bit.
However, I would argue that mile or so is more than adequately covered with the 21 and X21. I obviously don't have passenger data, but from experience I would think the X22 is the least used of the current Tyneside bound services on this stretch.
(18 Apr 2020, 10:07 am)streetdeckfan From my experience it's the same, once it gets past Birtley there's usually no bugger left!
Very few people seem to get it from Durham either, from what I've seen people just use it when a 21 isn't due
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(18 Apr 2020, 10:07 am)streetdeckfan From my experience it's the same, once it gets past Birtley there's usually no bugger left!
Very few people seem to get it from Durham either, from what I've seen people just use it when a 21 isn't due
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