New service X11
New service X11
(09 Mar 2021, 4:36 pm)Andreos1 I wonder if the Scarborough - Bridlington section is covered adequately already?
However, what you did suggest is exactly what I thought this X11 would be.
Genuinely disappointed it's not.
(09 Mar 2021, 4:36 pm)Andreos1 I wonder if the Scarborough - Bridlington section is covered adequately already?
However, what you did suggest is exactly what I thought this X11 would be.
Genuinely disappointed it's not.
(09 Mar 2021, 5:47 pm)mb134 I think the likelihood of them using a coach is slim to none, as I've said before there's probably a very solid reason why 6377 did that run last week. Don't forget they likely have a far lower cost than that for fuel also.Let's be honest here - no bus will be packed to the gunnels this summer. The general public just don't have that confidence.
Hopefully by June, too, the restrictions in terms of social distancing have been eradicated which will mean you could have a full load on. So that's immediately, say on a decker, 70 bums on seats.
(09 Mar 2021, 5:47 pm)mb134 I think the likelihood of them using a coach is slim to none, as I've said before there's probably a very solid reason why 6377 did that run last week. Don't forget they likely have a far lower cost than that for fuel also.Let's be honest here - no bus will be packed to the gunnels this summer. The general public just don't have that confidence.
Hopefully by June, too, the restrictions in terms of social distancing have been eradicated which will mean you could have a full load on. So that's immediately, say on a decker, 70 bums on seats.
(09 Mar 2021, 6:33 pm)RobinHood Let's be honest here - no bus will be packed to the gunnels this summer. The general public just don't have that confidence.
Additionally, didn't ANE withdraw the X60/X61 because of the ENCTS scheme? I.e a bus full of pensioners simply isn't sustainable based on the reimbursement.
The average family will not sit on a bus for 3+ hours, it just won't happen, not in the current climate and definitely not in the immediate post social distancing era. From experience, a family will always go in the car, for convenience - especially when both Whitby and Scarborough have a very good park and ride service too.
I agree demand will be there for coastal services, but Newcastle to Whitby or Scarborough is just too far, except for a few hardcore enthusiasts and pensioners who don't drive.
Waste of public funding.
(09 Mar 2021, 6:33 pm)RobinHood Let's be honest here - no bus will be packed to the gunnels this summer. The general public just don't have that confidence.
Additionally, didn't ANE withdraw the X60/X61 because of the ENCTS scheme? I.e a bus full of pensioners simply isn't sustainable based on the reimbursement.
The average family will not sit on a bus for 3+ hours, it just won't happen, not in the current climate and definitely not in the immediate post social distancing era. From experience, a family will always go in the car, for convenience - especially when both Whitby and Scarborough have a very good park and ride service too.
I agree demand will be there for coastal services, but Newcastle to Whitby or Scarborough is just too far, except for a few hardcore enthusiasts and pensioners who don't drive.
Waste of public funding.
(09 Mar 2021, 6:33 pm)RobinHood Let's be honest here - no bus will be packed to the gunnels this summer. The general public just don't have that confidence.I'm sceptical of the 21st June date, but I'd imagine that's the idea behind this. I don't see them registering a new service like this for the hope of what, 25 people? Certainly in my experience those who have had the vaccine don't really care anymore and want to get back to normal, the amount of pensioners that ring up where I work asking if we're open for dining in is unreal. If the vaccine is fully rolled out by then, or at least if they're making progress on the 30-40 year olds then I imagine the messaging will overwhelmingly be to get everyone back to normal.
Additionally, didn't ANE withdraw the X60/X61 because of the ENCTS scheme? I.e a bus full of pensioners simply isn't sustainable based on the reimbursement.
The average family will not sit on a bus for 3+ hours, it just won't happen, not in the current climate and definitely not in the immediate post social distancing era. From experience, a family will always go in the car, for convenience - especially when both Whitby and Scarborough have a very good park and ride service too.
I agree demand will be there for coastal services, but Newcastle to Whitby or Scarborough is just too far, except for a few hardcore enthusiasts and pensioners who don't drive.
Waste of public funding.
(09 Mar 2021, 6:33 pm)RobinHood Let's be honest here - no bus will be packed to the gunnels this summer. The general public just don't have that confidence.I'm sceptical of the 21st June date, but I'd imagine that's the idea behind this. I don't see them registering a new service like this for the hope of what, 25 people? Certainly in my experience those who have had the vaccine don't really care anymore and want to get back to normal, the amount of pensioners that ring up where I work asking if we're open for dining in is unreal. If the vaccine is fully rolled out by then, or at least if they're making progress on the 30-40 year olds then I imagine the messaging will overwhelmingly be to get everyone back to normal.
Additionally, didn't ANE withdraw the X60/X61 because of the ENCTS scheme? I.e a bus full of pensioners simply isn't sustainable based on the reimbursement.
The average family will not sit on a bus for 3+ hours, it just won't happen, not in the current climate and definitely not in the immediate post social distancing era. From experience, a family will always go in the car, for convenience - especially when both Whitby and Scarborough have a very good park and ride service too.
I agree demand will be there for coastal services, but Newcastle to Whitby or Scarborough is just too far, except for a few hardcore enthusiasts and pensioners who don't drive.
Waste of public funding.
(09 Mar 2021, 6:46 pm)mb134 I'm sceptical of the 21st June date, but I'd imagine that's the idea behind this. I don't see them registering a new service like this for the hope of what, 25 people? Certainly in my experience those who have had the vaccine don't really care anymore and want to get back to normal, the amount of pensioners that ring up where I work asking if we're open for dining in is unreal. If the vaccine is fully rolled out by then, or at least if they're making progress on the 30-40 year olds then I imagine the messaging will overwhelmingly be to get everyone back to normal.I'm a car driver and I'm planning on using the X11. Not just as an enthusiast but as an everyday passenger, as I personally hate the drive to Whitby and or Scarborough. My wife and I like Whitby and I'd probably drive to Heworth and leave the car there to use the X11. My major concern though is if the service is successful and also, if, Explorers are accepted, what is to say additional passengers may make way down later via X10/X93 to Whitby or Scarborough and then on the return from Whitby them passengers time it for the X11 turning up removing the need to change at Boro and the additional passengers board at Whitby prior to any passengers who came down on the X11 and then all of sudden the bus is full. What will happen to the outstanding passengers who cant get on.
Yeah that was always my understanding. You'd hope they know this and time it to leave Newcastle before the pensioner passes kick in to try and gain revenue then.
Any family with a car, I'd agree. Though I imagine again this will be targeting those without access to a car who want a day out down the coast, as well as those with concessionary passes.
Regardless of how it turns out, I think it deserves praise for at the very least trying to do something in these circumstances.
(09 Mar 2021, 6:46 pm)mb134 I'm sceptical of the 21st June date, but I'd imagine that's the idea behind this. I don't see them registering a new service like this for the hope of what, 25 people? Certainly in my experience those who have had the vaccine don't really care anymore and want to get back to normal, the amount of pensioners that ring up where I work asking if we're open for dining in is unreal. If the vaccine is fully rolled out by then, or at least if they're making progress on the 30-40 year olds then I imagine the messaging will overwhelmingly be to get everyone back to normal.I'm a car driver and I'm planning on using the X11. Not just as an enthusiast but as an everyday passenger, as I personally hate the drive to Whitby and or Scarborough. My wife and I like Whitby and I'd probably drive to Heworth and leave the car there to use the X11. My major concern though is if the service is successful and also, if, Explorers are accepted, what is to say additional passengers may make way down later via X10/X93 to Whitby or Scarborough and then on the return from Whitby them passengers time it for the X11 turning up removing the need to change at Boro and the additional passengers board at Whitby prior to any passengers who came down on the X11 and then all of sudden the bus is full. What will happen to the outstanding passengers who cant get on.
Yeah that was always my understanding. You'd hope they know this and time it to leave Newcastle before the pensioner passes kick in to try and gain revenue then.
Any family with a car, I'd agree. Though I imagine again this will be targeting those without access to a car who want a day out down the coast, as well as those with concessionary passes.
Regardless of how it turns out, I think it deserves praise for at the very least trying to do something in these circumstances.
(09 Mar 2021, 7:16 pm)ifm001 I'm a car driver and I'm planning on using the X11. Not just as an enthusiast but as an everyday passenger, as I personally hate the drive to Whitby and or Scarborough. My wife and I like Whitby and I'd probably drive to Heworth and leave the car there to use the X11. My major concern though is if the service is successful and also, if, Explorers are accepted, what is to say additional passengers may make way down later via X10/X93 to Whitby or Scarborough and then on the return from Whitby them passengers time it for the X11 turning up removing the need to change at Boro and the additional passengers board at Whitby prior to any passengers who came down on the X11 and then all of sudden the bus is full. What will happen to the outstanding passengers who cant get on.
They cant really say as they do on twitter "we know service X11 has left passengers behind at Whitby but dont worry we will have another bus sent to you" or could they if they use EY as an additional emergency contingency. None of us are probably expecting this scenario to happen due to the current situation but maybe one day there wont be enough seats for the return journey.
I've done the Wright Bros 808 to Keswick during the summer which is similar 1 journey out 1 journey return. 3 hours there and 3 hours back. Get to the bus stop for return and there are tons of passengers but usually most of these are day trippers so the drivers have an idea of how many have come down on the outward journey and have an estimate of numbers for return.
(09 Mar 2021, 7:16 pm)ifm001 I'm a car driver and I'm planning on using the X11. Not just as an enthusiast but as an everyday passenger, as I personally hate the drive to Whitby and or Scarborough. My wife and I like Whitby and I'd probably drive to Heworth and leave the car there to use the X11. My major concern though is if the service is successful and also, if, Explorers are accepted, what is to say additional passengers may make way down later via X10/X93 to Whitby or Scarborough and then on the return from Whitby them passengers time it for the X11 turning up removing the need to change at Boro and the additional passengers board at Whitby prior to any passengers who came down on the X11 and then all of sudden the bus is full. What will happen to the outstanding passengers who cant get on.
They cant really say as they do on twitter "we know service X11 has left passengers behind at Whitby but dont worry we will have another bus sent to you" or could they if they use EY as an additional emergency contingency. None of us are probably expecting this scenario to happen due to the current situation but maybe one day there wont be enough seats for the return journey.
I've done the Wright Bros 808 to Keswick during the summer which is similar 1 journey out 1 journey return. 3 hours there and 3 hours back. Get to the bus stop for return and there are tons of passengers but usually most of these are day trippers so the drivers have an idea of how many have come down on the outward journey and have an estimate of numbers for return.
There's always a small chance of a full bus on these sort of routes, and people left behind on the return. I know Coastliners 843 gets lots of summer day trippers travelling from Leeds to Scarborough for the day, and a driver friend of mine used to advise them to return on the penultimate bus if possible when it was a busy day. Of course, people would often ignore that and the last us was full and people were left behind on several occasions. They then had to get a train/taxi, basically make their own way home; there arent spare buses or drivers available.
If the same were to happen with the X11, it would only realistically be passengers boarding from Whitby who'd not get on, and they do have the Arriva services to get back as far as Middlesbrough if that was the case.
But there's only so much anyone can do. I've seen for myself, people have a day out as the seaside and had no clue when the last bus leaves (or has left!), which stand to use, or have the common sense on a really busy summers day to get in the bus queue early.
I'm sure if worst comes to worst, GNE can draft in a bus from EYMS if bus is full at Scarborough or hire a coach from an independent operator in the Whitby area to carry the passengers left behind if the bus is full and loaded at Whitby. Though with the case of pensioners, they can also use the Arriva service if have to and change onto the X9/X10 at Boro.
I think this will be amazing. It will be nice to see GNE operating in an area out further than Middlesbrough. Maybe if this is possible amazing for the public among others. Maybe GNE might make it a regular thing
(09 Mar 2021, 7:16 pm)ifm001 My major concern though is if the service is successful and also, if, Explorers are accepted, what is to say additional passengers may make way down later via X10/X93 to Whitby or Scarborough and then on the return from Whitby them passengers time it for the X11 turning up removing the need to change at Boro and the additional passengers board at Whitby prior to any passengers who came down on the X11 and then all of sudden the bus is full. What will happen to the outstanding passengers who cant get on.
They cant really say as they do on twitter "we know service X11 has left passengers behind at Whitby but dont worry we will have another bus sent to you" or could they if they use EY as an additional emergency contingency. None of us are probably expecting this scenario to happen due to the current situation but maybe one day there wont be enough seats for the return journey.
(09 Mar 2021, 7:16 pm)ifm001 My major concern though is if the service is successful and also, if, Explorers are accepted, what is to say additional passengers may make way down later via X10/X93 to Whitby or Scarborough and then on the return from Whitby them passengers time it for the X11 turning up removing the need to change at Boro and the additional passengers board at Whitby prior to any passengers who came down on the X11 and then all of sudden the bus is full. What will happen to the outstanding passengers who cant get on.
They cant really say as they do on twitter "we know service X11 has left passengers behind at Whitby but dont worry we will have another bus sent to you" or could they if they use EY as an additional emergency contingency. None of us are probably expecting this scenario to happen due to the current situation but maybe one day there wont be enough seats for the return journey.
The only potential advantage of this service vs the train is that train timetable release dates are severely limited at the moment (even now you can only book up until April and TPE who operate to Scarbados are changing timetables on the 29th)
When train timetables do come out there'll be a surge in demand and therefore price as we look to escape the 4 walls and get a change of scenery so a fixed price bus might appeal to some on a budget/wanting certainty of a service operating.
6 hours on an Omnidekka sounds about as appealing as a punch in the face from Mike Tyson though tbf.
(10 Mar 2021, 11:42 am)Ambassador The only potential advantage of this service vs the train is that train timetable release dates are severely limited at the moment (even now you can only book up until April and TPE who operate to Scarbados are changing timetables on the 29th)
When train timetables do come out there'll be a surge in demand and therefore price as we look to escape the 4 walls and get a change of scenery so a fixed price bus might appeal to some on a budget/wanting certainty of a service operating.
6 hours on an Omnidekka sounds about as appealing as a punch in the face from Mike Tyson though tbf.
(10 Mar 2021, 11:42 am)Ambassador The only potential advantage of this service vs the train is that train timetable release dates are severely limited at the moment (even now you can only book up until April and TPE who operate to Scarbados are changing timetables on the 29th)
When train timetables do come out there'll be a surge in demand and therefore price as we look to escape the 4 walls and get a change of scenery so a fixed price bus might appeal to some on a budget/wanting certainty of a service operating.
6 hours on an Omnidekka sounds about as appealing as a punch in the face from Mike Tyson though tbf.
How does it take 6 hours to do. When its doing Newcastle,Gateshead,Heworth,Washington Galleries, Middlesbrough, Whitby then Scarborough. I don't see the 6 hours. According to a post when tbis started. 6377 took two hours to get from Gates International to Scarborough. I doubt Go North East would make a service that's 6 hours long
(10 Mar 2021, 1:09 pm)MichealAaron How does it take 6 hours to do. When its doing Newcastle,Gateshead,Heworth,Washington Galleries, Middlesbrough, Whitby then Scarborough. I don't see the 6 hours. According to a post when tbis started. 6377 took two hours to get from Gates International to Scarborough. I doubt Go North East would make a service that's 6 hours longI was thinking more total travel time, taking into account both journey times and the inevitable peak summer traffic
(10 Mar 2021, 1:09 pm)MichealAaron How does it take 6 hours to do. When its doing Newcastle,Gateshead,Heworth,Washington Galleries, Middlesbrough, Whitby then Scarborough. I don't see the 6 hours. According to a post when tbis started. 6377 took two hours to get from Gates International to Scarborough. I doubt Go North East would make a service that's 6 hours longI was thinking more total travel time, taking into account both journey times and the inevitable peak summer traffic
They are planning on using 6337 or 6338 (whichever ones has been parked up a while) i think its had a tacho fitted to it. The voyager omnidecker is a backup bus (don't ask!). It shouldn't have a coach on it as some of the old x9/x10 ones are up for sale and others are backup for x9, x10 as is 6377. Its going Newcastle, Gateshead, Washington, maybe Stockton but could be mistaken, not sure about the Middlesbrough then onto towards Whitby and Scarborough. It will then do a return trip Scarborough to Whitby and back, then back to Newcastle. Explores i believe can be used.
Ah I see. It will be an amazing service. Looking forward to it as I haven't been to Scarborough
You just know it will be times a 10 mins or so in front of the Arriva service.
(10 Mar 2021, 1:25 pm)CookieMonster They are planning on using 6337 or 6338 (whichever ones has been parked up a while) i think its had a tacho fitted to it. The voyager omnidecker is a backup bus (don't ask!). It shouldn't have a coach on it as some of the old x9/x10 ones are up for sale and others are backup for x9, x10 as is 6377. Its going Newcastle, Gateshead, Washington, maybe Stockton but could be mistaken, not sure about the Middlesbrough then onto towards Whitby and Scarborough. It will then do a return trip Scarborough to Whitby and back, then back to Newcastle. Explores i believe can be used.Hopefully 6337, that has coach style seats and tables which would be perfect for use on a long route
(10 Mar 2021, 1:25 pm)CookieMonster They are planning on using 6337 or 6338 (whichever ones has been parked up a while) i think its had a tacho fitted to it. The voyager omnidecker is a backup bus (don't ask!). It shouldn't have a coach on it as some of the old x9/x10 ones are up for sale and others are backup for x9, x10 as is 6377. Its going Newcastle, Gateshead, Washington, maybe Stockton but could be mistaken, not sure about the Middlesbrough then onto towards Whitby and Scarborough. It will then do a return trip Scarborough to Whitby and back, then back to Newcastle. Explores i believe can be used.Hopefully 6337, that has coach style seats and tables which would be perfect for use on a long route
