The Major Allocation Changes: July 24th Service Changes
The Major Allocation Changes: July 24th Service Changes
Wonder what depot will be taking these Streetdecks. Apparently its Riverside but cant really think what would need these high spec'd vehicles.
Any ideas?
(24 Jul 2022, 9:01 pm)KingSlayerRBLX Wonder what depot will be taking these Streetdecks. Apparently its Riverside but cant really think what would need these high spec'd vehicles.the 6?
Any ideas?
(24 Jul 2022, 9:06 pm)Unber43 the 6?Probably not the 6 since it Interworks with the 12 also they recently got the upgrade with the Daimler Lites.
Maybe the dreaded 58?
10/10B (with the 10A going stand alone as the 48)
(24 Jul 2022, 9:06 pm)Unber43 the 6?Probably not the 6 since it Interworks with the 12 also they recently got the upgrade with the Daimler Lites.
Maybe the dreaded 58?
10/10B (with the 10A going stand alone as the 48)
(24 Jul 2022, 9:10 pm)KingSlayerRBLX Probably not the 6 since it Interworks with the 12 also they recently got the upgrade with the Daimler Lites.The 48 was just a suggestion. Nothing confirmed.
58 maybes but doubt that since they only just got the Geminis.
Never knew about that 48, depends on the PVR.
Only i can think of is the 57. Would be a major upgrade
(24 Jul 2022, 9:10 pm)KingSlayerRBLX Probably not the 6 since it Interworks with the 12 also they recently got the upgrade with the Daimler Lites.The 48 was just a suggestion. Nothing confirmed.
58 maybes but doubt that since they only just got the Geminis.
Never knew about that 48, depends on the PVR.
Only i can think of is the 57. Would be a major upgrade
(24 Jul 2022, 9:06 pm)Unber43 the 6?6 - No change
Maybe the dreaded 58?
10/10B (with the 10A going stand alone as the 48)
(24 Jul 2022, 9:18 pm)Unber43 The 48 was just a suggestion. Nothing confirmed.58 is a fairly popular route, but B9TLs are only what was available and appropriate at the time.
Neither the 57 or 58 Need 70/20 plate buses
(24 Jul 2022, 9:06 pm)Unber43 the 6?6 - No change
Maybe the dreaded 58?
10/10B (with the 10A going stand alone as the 48)
(24 Jul 2022, 9:18 pm)Unber43 The 48 was just a suggestion. Nothing confirmed.58 is a fairly popular route, but B9TLs are only what was available and appropriate at the time.
Neither the 57 or 58 Need 70/20 plate buses
(24 Jul 2022, 9:19 pm)L469 YVK 6 - No changethe 58 is only popular if you think about 20-30 out of 67 seats are popular. Passenger numbers have been dwindling for years
58 - Possibly, most likely will be StreetDecks on X21 with B5TLs in turn going on the 58.
10/10B - Not enough as PVR for 10/10B is 11x and there's only 8x StreetDecks availabke. 10A is already standalone and no need for re-numbering.
58 is a fairly popular route, but B9TLs are only what was available and appropriate at the time.
6149-54 will come in very useful, maybe with some ending up on DFDS work.
(24 Jul 2022, 9:19 pm)L469 YVK 6 - No changethe 58 is only popular if you think about 20-30 out of 67 seats are popular. Passenger numbers have been dwindling for years
58 - Possibly, most likely will be StreetDecks on X21 with B5TLs in turn going on the 58.
10/10B - Not enough as PVR for 10/10B is 11x and there's only 8x StreetDecks availabke. 10A is already standalone and no need for re-numbering.
58 is a fairly popular route, but B9TLs are only what was available and appropriate at the time.
6149-54 will come in very useful, maybe with some ending up on DFDS work.
(24 Jul 2022, 9:24 pm)Unber43 the 58 is only popular if you think about 20-30 out of 67 seats are popular. Passenger numbers have been dwindling for yearsThere's no question about it but the Amazon extension will increase numbers. GNE have done their research and even have a dedicated 'X' variant of the 58 for this purpose.
(24 Jul 2022, 9:24 pm)Unber43 the 58 is only popular if you think about 20-30 out of 67 seats are popular. Passenger numbers have been dwindling for yearsThere's no question about it but the Amazon extension will increase numbers. GNE have done their research and even have a dedicated 'X' variant of the 58 for this purpose.
(24 Jul 2022, 9:26 pm)L469 YVK There's no question about it but the Amazon extension will increase numbers. GNE have done their research and even have a dedicated 'X' variant of the 58 for this purpose.Yes, but X58 has been brought in for peak times, however do you really think 15-20 people will be getting on from amazon every 15 mins
(24 Jul 2022, 9:26 pm)L469 YVK There's no question about it but the Amazon extension will increase numbers. GNE have done their research and even have a dedicated 'X' variant of the 58 for this purpose.Yes, but X58 has been brought in for peak times, however do you really think 15-20 people will be getting on from amazon every 15 mins
(24 Jul 2022, 9:31 pm)Unber43 Which is why X58 was brought inSame argument could've been brought in for the 309 & 310 back in 2013/14 long before covid when the Cobalt was thriving and no competition other than Arriva's X6 (or X9 as it was at the time).
(24 Jul 2022, 9:31 pm)Unber43 Which is why X58 was brought inSame argument could've been brought in for the 309 & 310 back in 2013/14 long before covid when the Cobalt was thriving and no competition other than Arriva's X6 (or X9 as it was at the time).
(24 Jul 2022, 9:24 pm)Unber43 the 58 is only popular if you think about 20-30 out of 67 seats are popular. Passenger numbers have been dwindling for years
(24 Jul 2022, 9:24 pm)Unber43 the 58 is only popular if you think about 20-30 out of 67 seats are popular. Passenger numbers have been dwindling for years
(24 Jul 2022, 9:36 pm)Storx You do realise 30 passengers is 3/4 seats full on the old Versa's right? It sounds like it should be a double decker to me. People don't like sitting next to people so once you get to that stage then Decker's should be allocated imo.I said 20-30, the most I've seen on it, and when i've been on it is 27, with 45 in the peak from newcastle.
I'd be very surprised if the Coast Road services average that there's a lot of buses which carry single digits especially if it's trailing a 306 or 308. Similar to the Consett buses, they could be operated by minibuses at peak times the runs going against the peak flow.
(24 Jul 2022, 9:36 pm)Storx You do realise 30 passengers is 3/4 seats full on the old Versa's right? It sounds like it should be a double decker to me. People don't like sitting next to people so once you get to that stage then Decker's should be allocated imo.I said 20-30, the most I've seen on it, and when i've been on it is 27, with 45 in the peak from newcastle.
I'd be very surprised if the Coast Road services average that there's a lot of buses which carry single digits especially if it's trailing a 306 or 308. Similar to the Consett buses, they could be operated by minibuses at peak times the runs going against the peak flow.
(24 Jul 2022, 9:40 pm)Unber43 I said 20-30, the most I've seen on it, and when i've been on it is 27, with 45 in the peak from newcastle.
But I mean the good thing about follingsby is when people want to come to Newcastle from heworth, people from amazon want to go to Heworth. So really the amazon and commuters should never clash
We will probably know where every thing is going by the September changes
(24 Jul 2022, 9:40 pm)Unber43 I said 20-30, the most I've seen on it, and when i've been on it is 27, with 45 in the peak from newcastle.
But I mean the good thing about follingsby is when people want to come to Newcastle from heworth, people from amazon want to go to Heworth. So really the amazon and commuters should never clash
We will probably know where every thing is going by the September changes
(24 Jul 2022, 9:45 pm)Storx tbf 20 isn't bad numbers really for such a short route. Believe it's just over 30 minutes end to end so that's like 40 passengers per hour on a bus. There won't be many GNE services higher than that.I agree as someone who gets the 4/8/78/60/X20/65/50 quite often it certainly does especially on the X20 as the Citaro layout is quite bad.
Anything above 20 starts to get cosy on a single decker imo.
(24 Jul 2022, 9:45 pm)Storx tbf 20 isn't bad numbers really for such a short route. Believe it's just over 30 minutes end to end so that's like 40 passengers per hour on a bus. There won't be many GNE services higher than that.I agree as someone who gets the 4/8/78/60/X20/65/50 quite often it certainly does especially on the X20 as the Citaro layout is quite bad.
Anything above 20 starts to get cosy on a single decker imo.
(24 Jul 2022, 9:58 pm)KingSlayerRBLX Stay on topic if we canMaybe change the thread titles to
I think thats what makes the 20/60/58 seem quite popular and money making
30-60 mins routes, high frequency (it being increases wouldn't be bad either). There is no doubt the 58 makes money its a short route its just the passenger numbers aren't really their for the 58.
Cos the 20/60 easily get 20-30 people on each trip, If you think about it 20 you have Durham, Gilesgate, Rainton, Houghton, Sunderland. For the 60 you have Parkside, Seaham, Deneside, Sunderland and they do get high traffic numbers .
I remember on martjin latest live he mentioned something for the X1/21/60 about something to stop them going behind each other, which can't really be prevented I remember I saw an X1 on bus times which was 24 mins late, whats that going to do go not in service from Easington/Peterlee to Washington and make people wait another 12 mins, for a bus which is propably already rammed, same with the 60/20, 60 two are constanly running together.
(24 Jul 2022, 9:58 pm)KingSlayerRBLX Stay on topic if we canMaybe change the thread titles to
(24 Jul 2022, 9:58 pm)Unber43 Maybe change the thread titles toMaybes but this is the X-Lines Streetdecks going onto some normal service so it is rather a big change
Allocations after network changes or something like that
(24 Jul 2022, 9:58 pm)Unber43 Maybe change the thread titles toMaybes but this is the X-Lines Streetdecks going onto some normal service so it is rather a big change
Allocations after network changes or something like that
(24 Jul 2022, 9:52 pm)Unber43 I agree as someone who gets the 4/8/78/60/X20/65/50 quite often it certainly does especially on the X20 as the Citaro layout is quite bad.
Because I was thinking about this, on a route which takes 60 mins, you need atleast around 15-20 passengers, say they all pay avg. £1.50,
10 - £15
12 - £18
15 - £22.50
20 - £30
£15 say driver gets paid £12, £3 for fuel/bus insurance probs won't make money, where as as it gets to 12-20 people per bus per hour it will.
I look at the 55/62, they are 60 mins, and 75 mins, if they got them down to 40 mins and 60 mins, needing only a PVR of 3 & 2. But aswell It shocks me with the 62 taking 75 mins, why didn't they extend it upto Parkside, or through Tunstall/Leechmere to get it to 90 mins to try and get the most passengers possible
(24 Jul 2022, 9:52 pm)Unber43 I agree as someone who gets the 4/8/78/60/X20/65/50 quite often it certainly does especially on the X20 as the Citaro layout is quite bad.
Because I was thinking about this, on a route which takes 60 mins, you need atleast around 15-20 passengers, say they all pay avg. £1.50,
10 - £15
12 - £18
15 - £22.50
20 - £30
£15 say driver gets paid £12, £3 for fuel/bus insurance probs won't make money, where as as it gets to 12-20 people per bus per hour it will.
I look at the 55/62, they are 60 mins, and 75 mins, if they got them down to 40 mins and 60 mins, needing only a PVR of 3 & 2. But aswell It shocks me with the 62 taking 75 mins, why didn't they extend it upto Parkside, or through Tunstall/Leechmere to get it to 90 mins to try and get the most passengers possible
