Arriva North East: Service Suggestions
Arriva North East: Service Suggestions
(24 Aug 2022, 9:05 pm)OrangeArrow49 The 342? Where could Great Park fit into the route? Hopefully it will happen when the new roads eventually open.
(24 Aug 2022, 9:05 pm)OrangeArrow49 The 342? Where could Great Park fit into the route? Hopefully it will happen when the new roads eventually open.
(24 Aug 2022, 9:24 pm)Storx Could run it something like this:
https://goo.gl/maps/qrrvmENCCxbiVdhU9
or like this if you wanted to keep Hazlerigg aswell:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.01169...7f!1m0!3e0
(24 Aug 2022, 9:24 pm)Storx Could run it something like this:
https://goo.gl/maps/qrrvmENCCxbiVdhU9
or like this if you wanted to keep Hazlerigg aswell:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.01169...7f!1m0!3e0
(25 Aug 2022, 4:55 am)Dan Do you think a new E200 is likely to be used, or the 46 withdrawn? I’d go with the latter, if I was a betting man!
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(25 Aug 2022, 4:55 am)Dan Do you think a new E200 is likely to be used, or the 46 withdrawn? I’d go with the latter, if I was a betting man!
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(25 Aug 2022, 6:05 am)mb134 Unless the 46 is withdrawn in the next couple of weeks, I'd absolutely say it's more likely that an E200 will appear on there.
(25 Aug 2022, 6:05 am)mb134 Unless the 46 is withdrawn in the next couple of weeks, I'd absolutely say it's more likely that an E200 will appear on there.
(25 Aug 2022, 6:51 am)Dan Let’s hope the new E200s aren’t used on the 46 from September for the service to be withdrawn at the end of October when Jesmond closes…
We’ve seen the criticism that operators face on this forum for this kind of thing in the past!
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(25 Aug 2022, 6:51 am)Dan Let’s hope the new E200s aren’t used on the 46 from September for the service to be withdrawn at the end of October when Jesmond closes…
We’ve seen the criticism that operators face on this forum for this kind of thing in the past!
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(25 Aug 2022, 10:22 am)mb134 Not sure what your point is there?
The vehicles are evidently being bought ahead of the CAZ, to be used on any (current) Jesmond minibus work. You would say that with the amount purchased vs current PVR that cutting something has at least been looked at. Obviously Arriva's approach to vehicle allocation is vastly different from other operators, so I'd imagine it's highly likely that they'll be allocated given that they'll be the available minibus vehicles and that the 46 is a minibus route (and interworks with the 51, so the appearance of an E200 is virtually guaranteed).
I'd say there's a significant difference between that and vehicles being specifically route branded for a route then the route being withdrawn.
(25 Aug 2022, 10:22 am)mb134 Not sure what your point is there?
The vehicles are evidently being bought ahead of the CAZ, to be used on any (current) Jesmond minibus work. You would say that with the amount purchased vs current PVR that cutting something has at least been looked at. Obviously Arriva's approach to vehicle allocation is vastly different from other operators, so I'd imagine it's highly likely that they'll be allocated given that they'll be the available minibus vehicles and that the 46 is a minibus route (and interworks with the 51, so the appearance of an E200 is virtually guaranteed).
I'd say there's a significant difference between that and vehicles being specifically route branded for a route then the route being withdrawn.
(25 Aug 2022, 10:56 am)Storx Has it actually been confirmed that all 14 are still going to Jesmond now?
Haven't heard much about them for awhile and I had a family member the other week who randomly came out with, you'll probably already know but Ashington are getting new 5 new minibuses next month, assuming one of the driver's mentioned it. I know bus / driver gossip is the least reliable gossip going but it was just out the blue, especially considering the other 9 are very very likely going to end up there from October anyway especially with the bother Ashington are having with the 5 Solo's and the Dart pretty much daily now.
2816 breaking down today already just to pick one out.
(25 Aug 2022, 10:56 am)Storx Has it actually been confirmed that all 14 are still going to Jesmond now?
Haven't heard much about them for awhile and I had a family member the other week who randomly came out with, you'll probably already know but Ashington are getting new 5 new minibuses next month, assuming one of the driver's mentioned it. I know bus / driver gossip is the least reliable gossip going but it was just out the blue, especially considering the other 9 are very very likely going to end up there from October anyway especially with the bother Ashington are having with the 5 Solo's and the Dart pretty much daily now.
2816 breaking down today already just to pick one out.
Five of the fourteen are going to Ashington, yes. This was confirmed internally.
The remaining 9 are for (on paper - the 55(3) and the 46/51(5) +1 spare).
The 555 and 553 don't need CAZ compliant vehicles. I understand 2601-2603 are being kept for these.
If the 55 or 46 does go, then that will probably convert the 553/555 to E200, as they won't want to split the vehicle batch any more than already planned.
(25 Aug 2022, 5:36 pm)V514DFT I do teckon the 55 might bite the bulletShame for the residents of Meadway, Forest Hall, Longbenton and the Matthew Bank area whose only direct bus to the City Centre is the 55. I don’t think can count the 63 as a direct bus from Forest Hall as it goes via Heaton and Byker.
(25 Aug 2022, 5:36 pm)V514DFT I do teckon the 55 might bite the bulletShame for the residents of Meadway, Forest Hall, Longbenton and the Matthew Bank area whose only direct bus to the City Centre is the 55. I don’t think can count the 63 as a direct bus from Forest Hall as it goes via Heaton and Byker.
(25 Aug 2022, 7:56 pm)RobinHood Five of the fourteen are going to Ashington, yes. This was confirmed internally.
The remaining 9 are for (on paper - the 55(3) and the 46/51(5) +1 spare).
The 555 and 553 don't need CAZ compliant vehicles. I understand 2601-2603 are being kept for these.
If the 55 or 46 does go, then that will probably convert the 553/555 to E200, as they won't want to split the vehicle batch any more than already planned.
(26 Aug 2022, 8:04 am)RMF1254 Shame for the residents of Meadway, Forest Hall, Longbenton and the Matthew Bank area whose only direct bus to the City Centre is the 55. I don’t think can count the 63 as a direct bus from Forest Hall as it goes via Heaton and Byker.
(25 Aug 2022, 7:56 pm)RobinHood Five of the fourteen are going to Ashington, yes. This was confirmed internally.
The remaining 9 are for (on paper - the 55(3) and the 46/51(5) +1 spare).
The 555 and 553 don't need CAZ compliant vehicles. I understand 2601-2603 are being kept for these.
If the 55 or 46 does go, then that will probably convert the 553/555 to E200, as they won't want to split the vehicle batch any more than already planned.
(26 Aug 2022, 8:04 am)RMF1254 Shame for the residents of Meadway, Forest Hall, Longbenton and the Matthew Bank area whose only direct bus to the City Centre is the 55. I don’t think can count the 63 as a direct bus from Forest Hall as it goes via Heaton and Byker.
(26 Aug 2022, 8:28 am)Storx Thank you, wasn't made up bus rumours for once then. Believe it's the first the 57/57A/10/10A/11/12/810/811/442/19/318 or whatever other variation I've missed of them has had a brand new bus bought for them since deregulation.Do you mean loop like what the 356/56 used to do
Longbenton has the 52, Matthew Bank has the X7/X8. For the other half of the route, they could easily divert the 52 to go to Killingworth via the 55/53 route. It would arguably offer a better service anyway as it would reconnect the links up to Cramlington which they lost with the 42 cuts. No-one else really loses out, Cramlington/Burradon uses the X7/X8 to Newcastle / Quorum anyway so adding time to the Southern end of the route wouldn't be the end of the world as long as they diverted the 54 to loop FLE.
(26 Aug 2022, 8:04 am)RMF1254 Shame for the residents of Meadway, Forest Hall, Longbenton and the Matthew Bank area whose only direct bus to the City Centre is the 55. I don’t think can count the 63 as a direct bus from Forest Hall as it goes via Heaton and Byker.Unless its curtailed at FLE
(25 Aug 2022, 7:57 pm)MurdnunoC Prefer Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat to Tekken though it is a good game.Shhhh you,i was half asleep lol
(26 Aug 2022, 8:28 am)Storx Thank you, wasn't made up bus rumours for once then. Believe it's the first the 57/57A/10/10A/11/12/810/811/442/19/318 or whatever other variation I've missed of them has had a brand new bus bought for them since deregulation.Do you mean loop like what the 356/56 used to do
Longbenton has the 52, Matthew Bank has the X7/X8. For the other half of the route, they could easily divert the 52 to go to Killingworth via the 55/53 route. It would arguably offer a better service anyway as it would reconnect the links up to Cramlington which they lost with the 42 cuts. No-one else really loses out, Cramlington/Burradon uses the X7/X8 to Newcastle / Quorum anyway so adding time to the Southern end of the route wouldn't be the end of the world as long as they diverted the 54 to loop FLE.
(26 Aug 2022, 8:04 am)RMF1254 Shame for the residents of Meadway, Forest Hall, Longbenton and the Matthew Bank area whose only direct bus to the City Centre is the 55. I don’t think can count the 63 as a direct bus from Forest Hall as it goes via Heaton and Byker.Unless its curtailed at FLE
(25 Aug 2022, 7:57 pm)MurdnunoC Prefer Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat to Tekken though it is a good game.Shhhh you,i was half asleep lol
(26 Aug 2022, 9:54 am)V514DFT Do you mean loop like what the 356/56 used to do
Unless its curtailed at FLE
Shhhh you,i was half asleep lol
(26 Aug 2022, 9:54 am)V514DFT Do you mean loop like what the 356/56 used to do
Unless its curtailed at FLE
Shhhh you,i was half asleep lol
Tbh i cant see how that wouldnt work
Another on i was thinking is this
Re-number the 51A to 50 divert it to serve Cross Avenue,Springfield Gardens,Wiltshire Drive,giving those residents back a bus that was lost when the 42 was withdrawn and an improves link to Newcastle for them
Then the 51 do this Haymarket, Matthew Bank, D.S.S Longbenton,FLE, Whitley Road then re-joining its old route from the roundabout outside The Range
52 does your suggestion
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Personally I think it’s more likely the 46 is withdrawn completely and the 55 reduced to half hourly would fit in the gap between the 51s. Remotely operating this from Blyth at Whitley Bay wouldn’t be beyond the imagination once Jesmond/Walkergate does close.
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(26 Aug 2022, 5:28 pm)V514DFT Tbh i cant see how that wouldnt workI’m not surprised buses were removed from Springfield Gardens because of the number of parked cars, even the minibuses had a problem. Looking at the stops, only the one at Springfield Gardens / Cross Ave junction was really affected by the 42 withdrawal and even that stop is very close to Wiltshire Drive.The other 2 stops are almost on Wiltshire Drive or Station Road.
Another on i was thinking is this
Re-number the 51A to 50 divert it to serve Cross Avenue,Springfield Gardens,Wiltshire Drive,giving those residents back a bus that was lost when the 42 was withdrawn and an improves link to Newcastle for them
Then the 51 do this Haymarket, Matthew Bank, D.S.S Longbenton,FLE, Whitley Road then re-joining its old route from the roundabout outside The Range
52 does your suggestion
(26 Aug 2022, 5:28 pm)V514DFT Tbh i cant see how that wouldnt workI’m not surprised buses were removed from Springfield Gardens because of the number of parked cars, even the minibuses had a problem. Looking at the stops, only the one at Springfield Gardens / Cross Ave junction was really affected by the 42 withdrawal and even that stop is very close to Wiltshire Drive.The other 2 stops are almost on Wiltshire Drive or Station Road.
Another on i was thinking is this
Re-number the 51A to 50 divert it to serve Cross Avenue,Springfield Gardens,Wiltshire Drive,giving those residents back a bus that was lost when the 42 was withdrawn and an improves link to Newcastle for them
Then the 51 do this Haymarket, Matthew Bank, D.S.S Longbenton,FLE, Whitley Road then re-joining its old route from the roundabout outside The Range
52 does your suggestion
- X7 - Same route but every 20 minutes.
- X8 - Withdrawn and replaced by 43/43A.
- X9 - Same route as now from Blyth to Shankhouse then via X10 route to Newcastle. Every 30 minutes.
- X10 - Same route as now from Blyth to Newcastle. Every 30 minutes.
- X11 - Same route as now from Blyth to Newcastle. Every 30 minutes.
- 43 - Same route as now from Morpeth to Cramlington. Then via High Pit, Annitsford and Fern Drive before resuming normal route. Every 30 minutes Newcastle to Cramlington, continuing to Morpeth every 60 minutes. Could additionally serve NSECH depending on timings.
- 43A - Same route as 'old' X9/X13 including Amersham Road. Will operate all stops between Fisher Lane and Newcastle via Seaton Burn and Wide Open. Every 30 minutes Newcastle to Cramlington, continuing to Blyth every 60 minutes.
- 44/45 - Re-instated to every 30 mins each (every 15 combined).
PVRs (before COVID) = 39x:
- X7/X8/X9 - 14x
- X10/X11 - 13x
- 43 - 7x
- 44/45 - 5x
Current PVR (not including temp reductions to 43/44/45*) = 34x:
- X7/X8/X9 - 14x
- X10/X11 - 8x
- 43 - 7x
- 44/45 - 5x
* Note this PVR is reduced by a further 3x if temp reductions to 43/44/45 are taken into account
Suggested PVR = 36x
- X7 - 7x
- X9/X10/X11 - 13x
- 43/43A - 9x
- 44/45 - 7x
Benefits of above changes:
- Even faster journey times from North of Blyth and Bebside to Newcastle.
- 10 minute combined frequency restored > Blyth - Parkside - Cramlington - Newcastle.
- New direct links to NSECH and to nearby new build developments in East Cramlington.
- Easier vehicle allocations and purchasing decisions, with all Blyth to Newcastle 'X' routes streamlined.
* PVR of all Blyth to Newcastle 'X' routes would be 20x, therefore covering a similar size order for what was previously ordered for Ashington.
* 2023 - 20x StreetDeck - X7 & X9/X10/X11
- More reliable service for High Pit, Annitsford and a new direct link to Newcastle restored along Fern Drive.
- Improved frequency for the Seaton Valley.
Drawbacks of above changes:
- Loss of more direct service for Northern Terrace (but still have services 52/53).
- Slightly reduced frequency through Burradon, Camperdown, Cygnet Park and Quorum (but still every 20 minutes).
- Slightly slower service from Eastfields and Beacon Hill to Newcastle.
- Reduced frequency via South Newsham (South Beach) and Eastfields - has been previously reduced during COVID so potentially not well used?
(19 Sep 2022, 8:39 am)L469 YVK - X7 - Same route but every 20 minutes.
- X8 - Withdrawn and replaced by 43/43A.
- X9 - Same route as now from Blyth to Shankhouse then via X10 route to Newcastle. Every 30 minutes.
- X10 - Same route as now from Blyth to Newcastle. Every 30 minutes.
- X11 - Same route as now from Blyth to Newcastle. Every 30 minutes.
- 43 - Same route as now from Morpeth to Cramlington. Then via High Pit, Annitsford and Fern Drive before resuming normal route. Every 30 minutes Newcastle to Cramlington, continuing to Morpeth every 60 minutes. Could additionally serve NSECH depending on timings.
- 43A - Same route as 'old' X9/X13 including Amersham Road. Will operate all stops between Fisher Lane and Newcastle via Seaton Burn and Wide Open. Every 30 minutes Newcastle to Cramlington, continuing to Blyth every 60 minutes.
- 44/45 - Re-instated to every 30 mins each (every 15 combined).
PVRs (before COVID) = 39x:
- X7/X8/X9 - 14x
- X10/X11 - 13x
- 43 - 7x
- 44/45 - 5x
Current PVR (not including temp reductions to 43/44/45*) = 34x:
- X7/X8/X9 - 14x
- X10/X11 - 8x
- 43 - 7x
- 44/45 - 5x
* Note this PVR is reduced by a further 3x if temp reductions to 43/44/45 are taken into account
Suggested PVR = 36x
- X7 - 7x
- X9/X10/X11 - 13x
- 43/43A - 9x
- 44/45 - 7x
Benefits of above changes:
- Even faster journey times from North of Blyth and Bebside to Newcastle.
- 10 minute combined frequency restored > Blyth - Parkside - Cramlington - Newcastle.
- New direct links to NSECH and to nearby new build developments in East Cramlington.
- Easier vehicle allocations and purchasing decisions, with all Blyth to Newcastle 'X' routes streamlined.
* PVR of all Blyth to Newcastle 'X' routes would be 20x, therefore covering a similar size order for what was previously ordered for Ashington.
* 2023 - 20x StreetDeck - X7 & X9/X10/X11
- More reliable service for High Pit, Annitsford and a new direct link to Newcastle restored along Fern Drive.
- Improved frequency for the Seaton Valley.
Drawbacks of above changes:
- Loss of more direct service for Northern Terrace (but still have services 52/53).
- Slightly reduced frequency through Burradon, Camperdown, Cygnet Park and Quorum (but still every 20 minutes).
- Slightly slower service from Eastfields and Beacon Hill to Newcastle.
- Reduced frequency via South Newsham (South Beach) and Eastfields - has been previously reduced during COVID so potentially not well used?
(19 Sep 2022, 8:39 am)L469 YVK - X7 - Same route but every 20 minutes.
- X8 - Withdrawn and replaced by 43/43A.
- X9 - Same route as now from Blyth to Shankhouse then via X10 route to Newcastle. Every 30 minutes.
- X10 - Same route as now from Blyth to Newcastle. Every 30 minutes.
- X11 - Same route as now from Blyth to Newcastle. Every 30 minutes.
- 43 - Same route as now from Morpeth to Cramlington. Then via High Pit, Annitsford and Fern Drive before resuming normal route. Every 30 minutes Newcastle to Cramlington, continuing to Morpeth every 60 minutes. Could additionally serve NSECH depending on timings.
- 43A - Same route as 'old' X9/X13 including Amersham Road. Will operate all stops between Fisher Lane and Newcastle via Seaton Burn and Wide Open. Every 30 minutes Newcastle to Cramlington, continuing to Blyth every 60 minutes.
- 44/45 - Re-instated to every 30 mins each (every 15 combined).
PVRs (before COVID) = 39x:
- X7/X8/X9 - 14x
- X10/X11 - 13x
- 43 - 7x
- 44/45 - 5x
Current PVR (not including temp reductions to 43/44/45*) = 34x:
- X7/X8/X9 - 14x
- X10/X11 - 8x
- 43 - 7x
- 44/45 - 5x
* Note this PVR is reduced by a further 3x if temp reductions to 43/44/45 are taken into account
Suggested PVR = 36x
- X7 - 7x
- X9/X10/X11 - 13x
- 43/43A - 9x
- 44/45 - 7x
Benefits of above changes:
- Even faster journey times from North of Blyth and Bebside to Newcastle.
- 10 minute combined frequency restored > Blyth - Parkside - Cramlington - Newcastle.
- New direct links to NSECH and to nearby new build developments in East Cramlington.
- Easier vehicle allocations and purchasing decisions, with all Blyth to Newcastle 'X' routes streamlined.
* PVR of all Blyth to Newcastle 'X' routes would be 20x, therefore covering a similar size order for what was previously ordered for Ashington.
* 2023 - 20x StreetDeck - X7 & X9/X10/X11
- More reliable service for High Pit, Annitsford and a new direct link to Newcastle restored along Fern Drive.
- Improved frequency for the Seaton Valley.
Drawbacks of above changes:
- Loss of more direct service for Northern Terrace (but still have services 52/53).
- Slightly reduced frequency through Burradon, Camperdown, Cygnet Park and Quorum (but still every 20 minutes).
- Slightly slower service from Eastfields and Beacon Hill to Newcastle.
- Reduced frequency via South Newsham (South Beach) and Eastfields - has been previously reduced during COVID so potentially not well used?
