North East BSIP: £804 Million Pound Plan For North East Buses
North East BSIP: £804 Million Pound Plan For North East Buses
I don't think many people in West Auckland are wanting to travel to Newcastle very often unless they have family links. The bigger issue is for people in villages wanting to get to work in a minimum wage job, not necessarily 9-5 weekdays and people in the same areas wanting a decent sized supermarket without spending over 10% of their food budget on bus fare.
(12 Jan 2023, 10:55 pm)BusLoverMum I don't think many people in West Auckland are wanting to travel to Newcastle very often unless they have family links. The bigger issue is for people in villages wanting to get to work in a minimum wage job, not necessarily 9-5 weekdays and people in the same areas wanting a decent sized supermarket without spending over 10% of their food budget on bus fare.
(12 Jan 2023, 10:55 pm)BusLoverMum I don't think many people in West Auckland are wanting to travel to Newcastle very often unless they have family links. The bigger issue is for people in villages wanting to get to work in a minimum wage job, not necessarily 9-5 weekdays and people in the same areas wanting a decent sized supermarket without spending over 10% of their food budget on bus fare.
(12 Jan 2023, 11:20 pm)Storx West Auckland has a fantastic bus service to Newcastle imo, it really doesn't need one at all as there's very little connection between the two places. They should count their selves lucky they have one at all especially when most the Consett area villages have an hourly bus service and some nothing at all on evenings and Sunday's. Hourly bus services are a complete waste of time and I don't care what anyone says unless it's places like Rothbury which are in the sticks so it's unrealistic to expect more.
(12 Jan 2023, 11:20 pm)Storx West Auckland has a fantastic bus service to Newcastle imo, it really doesn't need one at all as there's very little connection between the two places. They should count their selves lucky they have one at all especially when most the Consett area villages have an hourly bus service and some nothing at all on evenings and Sunday's. Hourly bus services are a complete waste of time and I don't care what anyone says unless it's places like Rothbury which are in the sticks so it's unrealistic to expect more.
Stop complaining about the West Auckland - Newcastle link, they'll take it away from me. It's all I have left!
Although i do agree it's largely pointless, when I get on at Tindale there are often people on who stay most of the journey. Likewise, there are definitely other people who get on at Newcastle/Gateshead who go as far as Woodhouse or Tindale.
£12m rescue package to save at-risk North East bus services amid threat of major cuts
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...s-27163447
"Council leaders have agreed to spend up to £12.2m to protect services at risk of being slashed, as they brace for private bus operators to wield the axe in the coming months. However, that cash comes from a pot of Bus Service Improvement Plan (BSIP) funding that the Government had originally awarded the North East to make wide-ranging upgrades across the region such as cutting fare prices and renovating stations – not simply to avoid existing routes being slashed."
Didn't take long for that begging bowl to come out, once the BSIP allocation became fair game...
(21 Jun 2023, 8:41 am)Adrian £12m rescue package to save at-risk North East bus services amid threat of major cuts
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...s-27163447
"Council leaders have agreed to spend up to £12.2m to protect services at risk of being slashed, as they brace for private bus operators to wield the axe in the coming months. However, that cash comes from a pot of Bus Service Improvement Plan (BSIP) funding that the Government had originally awarded the North East to make wide-ranging upgrades across the region such as cutting fare prices and renovating stations – not simply to avoid existing routes being slashed."
Didn't take long for that begging bowl to come out, once the BSIP allocation became fair game...
(21 Jun 2023, 8:41 am)Adrian £12m rescue package to save at-risk North East bus services amid threat of major cuts
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...s-27163447
"Council leaders have agreed to spend up to £12.2m to protect services at risk of being slashed, as they brace for private bus operators to wield the axe in the coming months. However, that cash comes from a pot of Bus Service Improvement Plan (BSIP) funding that the Government had originally awarded the North East to make wide-ranging upgrades across the region such as cutting fare prices and renovating stations – not simply to avoid existing routes being slashed."
Didn't take long for that begging bowl to come out, once the BSIP allocation became fair game...
(21 Jun 2023, 8:49 am)Storx Embarrassing, you should never spend investment money on day to day running. It's the quickest way to go bust (obviously won't happen but in general). What happens when the BSIP money runs out... It's just dragging the issue back.Yep, and this was the 'less than 20% of what we asked for' allocation, that we should have apparently been rejoicing!
(21 Jun 2023, 8:49 am)Storx Embarrassing, you should never spend investment money on day to day running. It's the quickest way to go bust (obviously won't happen but in general). What happens when the BSIP money runs out... It's just dragging the issue back.Yep, and this was the 'less than 20% of what we asked for' allocation, that we should have apparently been rejoicing!
(21 Jun 2023, 8:41 am)Adrian £12m rescue package to save at-risk North East bus services amid threat of major cuts
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...s-27163447
"Council leaders have agreed to spend up to £12.2m to protect services at risk of being slashed, as they brace for private bus operators to wield the axe in the coming months. However, that cash comes from a pot of Bus Service Improvement Plan (BSIP) funding that the Government had originally awarded the North East to make wide-ranging upgrades across the region such as cutting fare prices and renovating stations – not simply to avoid existing routes being slashed."
Didn't take long for that begging bowl to come out, once the BSIP allocation became fair game...
(21 Jun 2023, 8:41 am)Adrian £12m rescue package to save at-risk North East bus services amid threat of major cuts
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...s-27163447
"Council leaders have agreed to spend up to £12.2m to protect services at risk of being slashed, as they brace for private bus operators to wield the axe in the coming months. However, that cash comes from a pot of Bus Service Improvement Plan (BSIP) funding that the Government had originally awarded the North East to make wide-ranging upgrades across the region such as cutting fare prices and renovating stations – not simply to avoid existing routes being slashed."
Didn't take long for that begging bowl to come out, once the BSIP allocation became fair game...
(21 Jun 2023, 8:57 am)Adrian Yep, and this was the 'less than 20% of what we asked for' allocation, that we should have apparently been rejoicing!
Wonder what happens next time traffic congestion comes up as a barrier to good buses services? Sorry, Guv', spent all the ringfenced cash on running your businesses!
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(21 Jun 2023, 8:57 am)Adrian Yep, and this was the 'less than 20% of what we asked for' allocation, that we should have apparently been rejoicing!
Wonder what happens next time traffic congestion comes up as a barrier to good buses services? Sorry, Guv', spent all the ringfenced cash on running your businesses!
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(21 Jun 2023, 11:03 am)Andreos1 An absolute farce.
How much more money is going to be chucked at the failing operators who take absolutely no responsibility for anything they do or fail to achieve?
(21 Jun 2023, 11:03 am)Andreos1 An absolute farce.
How much more money is going to be chucked at the failing operators who take absolutely no responsibility for anything they do or fail to achieve?
(21 Jun 2023, 7:03 pm)Adrian Until this pot of money is bled dry, I reckon. Despite the purpose supposedly being to *improve* services in the region.
It'd be interesting to see together, all these various sources of public money and how much from each source has been given to bus operators in this region.
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(21 Jun 2023, 7:03 pm)Adrian Until this pot of money is bled dry, I reckon. Despite the purpose supposedly being to *improve* services in the region.
It'd be interesting to see together, all these various sources of public money and how much from each source has been given to bus operators in this region.
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So the trumpet blowers at Transport North East are today celebrating a Department of Transport announcement, claiming to be investing £45.6 million into improving bus services. TNE claim this to be "bringing our region's total BSIP funding to £163.5m"
That'd of course be a welcome announcement of investment, if they hadn't already announced back in April 2022, that they have been successful in a "funding award of £163.5 million over three years." - see: http://www.transportnortheast.gov.uk/lat...ouncement/
Now maths isn't always my strong point, but wouldn't an additional £45.6 million, on top of the April 2022 award of £163.5 million, result in their total BSIP funding being £209.1 million?
Unless of course this isn't new money, and in which case, why is there such a fanfare about it?
BSIP. Cuts. Cuts and more cuts. Early morning services decimated. Despite encouraging folk to use public transport, what choice do they have now. Cuts from Monday, more Cuts at the Autumn timetable change. No improvements anywhere, just Cuts.
(30 Jun 2023, 6:26 pm)54APhotography BSIP. Cuts. Cuts and more cuts. Early morning services decimated. Despite encouraging folk to use public transport, what choice do they have now. Cuts from Monday, more Cuts at the Autumn timetable change. No improvements anywhere, just Cuts.Are we ever going to get anything better, when the instant reaction to the Tories giving us our own money back, is to celebrate it?
(30 Jun 2023, 6:26 pm)54APhotography BSIP. Cuts. Cuts and more cuts. Early morning services decimated. Despite encouraging folk to use public transport, what choice do they have now. Cuts from Monday, more Cuts at the Autumn timetable change. No improvements anywhere, just Cuts.Are we ever going to get anything better, when the instant reaction to the Tories giving us our own money back, is to celebrate it?
(30 Jun 2023, 6:46 pm)Adrian Are we ever going to get anything better, when the instant reaction to the Tories giving us our own money back, is to celebrate it?
It's no wonder they keep dangling that carrot.
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(30 Jun 2023, 6:46 pm)Adrian Are we ever going to get anything better, when the instant reaction to the Tories giving us our own money back, is to celebrate it?
It's no wonder they keep dangling that carrot.
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(30 Jun 2023, 6:26 pm)54APhotography BSIP. Cuts. Cuts and more cuts. Early morning services decimated. Despite encouraging folk to use public transport, what choice do they have now. Cuts from Monday, more Cuts at the Autumn timetable change. No improvements anywhere, just Cuts.
(30 Jun 2023, 6:26 pm)54APhotography BSIP. Cuts. Cuts and more cuts. Early morning services decimated. Despite encouraging folk to use public transport, what choice do they have now. Cuts from Monday, more Cuts at the Autumn timetable change. No improvements anywhere, just Cuts.
(01 Jul 2023, 11:16 am)busmanT I believe that the "improvements" will start to appear in the autumn.
Nexus mustn't think that the withdrawal of some early morning journeys will cause any issues - they've certainly got the money to replace them if they did.
(01 Jul 2023, 11:16 am)busmanT I believe that the "improvements" will start to appear in the autumn.
Nexus mustn't think that the withdrawal of some early morning journeys will cause any issues - they've certainly got the money to replace them if they did.
(01 Jul 2023, 11:35 am)I believe theMichael Any idea of what "Improvements" we'll see?
Is the funding spread equally or is it once again - mostly for Newcastle, rest of us get the scraps?
Wasn't there funding to get 18 electric buses for the 21, will there still be enough if this increase does happen?
