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Michael



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18 Sep 2023, 6:07 pm #1,841
Stagecoach Sunderland was bad today, every bus was at least 10 mins + late.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
18 Sep 2023, 6:07 pm #1,841

Stagecoach Sunderland was bad today, every bus was at least 10 mins + late.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Storx



4,621
18 Sep 2023, 6:47 pm #1,842
(18 Sep 2023, 5:53 pm)Adrian Can't remember the last time I used an Arriva service in the North East, so I don't really pay them much attention.

X1 into town this morning was fine, but surprised at the volume of passengers on board. I've said it dozens of times, but this really needs to go back to at least a 12 minute frequency. We were full by Springwell, heading into Newcastle.

On the way home, I didn't bother, I opted for the Metro and 4 instead.

I admit I don't use the service but isn't the X1/X1A every 12 minutes already at peak times? Just looking at the timetable, it seems to be, dropping to every 15 minute off peak.

Not sure if it used to be more frequent though as those times.
Storx
18 Sep 2023, 6:47 pm #1,842

(18 Sep 2023, 5:53 pm)Adrian Can't remember the last time I used an Arriva service in the North East, so I don't really pay them much attention.

X1 into town this morning was fine, but surprised at the volume of passengers on board. I've said it dozens of times, but this really needs to go back to at least a 12 minute frequency. We were full by Springwell, heading into Newcastle.

On the way home, I didn't bother, I opted for the Metro and 4 instead.

I admit I don't use the service but isn't the X1/X1A every 12 minutes already at peak times? Just looking at the timetable, it seems to be, dropping to every 15 minute off peak.

Not sure if it used to be more frequent though as those times.

Adrian



9,589
18 Sep 2023, 6:55 pm #1,843
(18 Sep 2023, 6:47 pm)Storx I admit I don't use the service but isn't the X1/X1A every 12 minutes already at peak times? Just looking at the timetable, it seems to be, dropping to every 15 minute off peak.

Not sure if it used to be more frequent though as those times.

Not quite. It's a bit of a mash up first thing.

Dep. - Gap.
06.42 - 00:09
06.53 - 00:11
07.08 - 00:15

07.20, 07.32, 07.44 all operate with a 12 minute gap.
07.58 - 00:15

Then it's 17 minutes, 13 minutes, 12 minutes and 20 minutes respectively for the next ones.

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Adrian
18 Sep 2023, 6:55 pm #1,843

(18 Sep 2023, 6:47 pm)Storx I admit I don't use the service but isn't the X1/X1A every 12 minutes already at peak times? Just looking at the timetable, it seems to be, dropping to every 15 minute off peak.

Not sure if it used to be more frequent though as those times.

Not quite. It's a bit of a mash up first thing.

Dep. - Gap.
06.42 - 00:09
06.53 - 00:11
07.08 - 00:15

07.20, 07.32, 07.44 all operate with a 12 minute gap.
07.58 - 00:15

Then it's 17 minutes, 13 minutes, 12 minutes and 20 minutes respectively for the next ones.


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Storx



4,621
18 Sep 2023, 6:59 pm #1,844
(18 Sep 2023, 6:55 pm)Adrian Not quite. It's a bit of a mash up first thing.

Dep. - Gap.
06.42 - 00:09
06.53 - 00:11
07.08 - 00:15

07.20, 07.32, 07.44 all operate with a 12 minute gap.
07.58 - 00:15

Then it's 17 minutes, 13 minutes, 12 minutes and 20 minutes respectively for the next ones.

Yeah thought that was what it's like, something in back of my head is saying it used to be every 10 minutes when it was every 12 minutes though.
Storx
18 Sep 2023, 6:59 pm #1,844

(18 Sep 2023, 6:55 pm)Adrian Not quite. It's a bit of a mash up first thing.

Dep. - Gap.
06.42 - 00:09
06.53 - 00:11
07.08 - 00:15

07.20, 07.32, 07.44 all operate with a 12 minute gap.
07.58 - 00:15

Then it's 17 minutes, 13 minutes, 12 minutes and 20 minutes respectively for the next ones.

Yeah thought that was what it's like, something in back of my head is saying it used to be every 10 minutes when it was every 12 minutes though.

Adrian



9,589
18 Sep 2023, 7:00 pm #1,845
(18 Sep 2023, 6:59 pm)Storx Yeah thought that was what it's like, something in back of my head is saying it used to be every 10 minutes when it was every 12 minutes though.

When it was first introduced, it was every 10 minutes. It was a combined frequency at Washington from the X1, X2 and X3. Then when the routes were merged, it was a 10 minute frequency throughout, before being one of the services dropped to every 12 minutes in order to apparently aid reliability.

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Adrian
18 Sep 2023, 7:00 pm #1,845

(18 Sep 2023, 6:59 pm)Storx Yeah thought that was what it's like, something in back of my head is saying it used to be every 10 minutes when it was every 12 minutes though.

When it was first introduced, it was every 10 minutes. It was a combined frequency at Washington from the X1, X2 and X3. Then when the routes were merged, it was a 10 minute frequency throughout, before being one of the services dropped to every 12 minutes in order to apparently aid reliability.


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F114TML



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18 Sep 2023, 9:04 pm #1,846
(18 Sep 2023, 6:07 pm)Michael Stagecoach Sunderland was bad today, every bus was at least 10 mins + late.

Mine weren't.
F114TML
18 Sep 2023, 9:04 pm #1,846

(18 Sep 2023, 6:07 pm)Michael Stagecoach Sunderland was bad today, every bus was at least 10 mins + late.

Mine weren't.

Unber43



3,566
19 Sep 2023, 8:35 am #1,847
I was in Eldon Square and as I was leaving Gateshead I saw a 25 to Gateshead it was the last 25 of the night no one knew it was terminating at Gateshead nothing on GNE or anything, it was only 20 mins late, I kinda thought it was a bit of a to use a nice word... inconsiderate
Unber43
19 Sep 2023, 8:35 am #1,847

I was in Eldon Square and as I was leaving Gateshead I saw a 25 to Gateshead it was the last 25 of the night no one knew it was terminating at Gateshead nothing on GNE or anything, it was only 20 mins late, I kinda thought it was a bit of a to use a nice word... inconsiderate

19 Sep 2023, 6:07 pm #1,848
(19 Sep 2023, 8:35 am)Unber43 I was in Eldon Square and as I was leaving Gateshead I saw a 25 to Gateshead it was the last 25 of the night no one knew it was terminating at Gateshead nothing on GNE or anything, it was only 20 mins late, I kinda thought it was a bit of a to use a nice word... inconsiderate

I am not suprised. at least the 25 has other routes like the X1, 21, 28, 56.
NEbushopper
19 Sep 2023, 6:07 pm #1,848

(19 Sep 2023, 8:35 am)Unber43 I was in Eldon Square and as I was leaving Gateshead I saw a 25 to Gateshead it was the last 25 of the night no one knew it was terminating at Gateshead nothing on GNE or anything, it was only 20 mins late, I kinda thought it was a bit of a to use a nice word... inconsiderate

I am not suprised. at least the 25 has other routes like the X1, 21, 28, 56.

L469 YVK



3,554
19 Sep 2023, 7:48 pm #1,849
Why has the 309, 353, 354 not operated via Westminster Avenue and Norham Road North during the evenings and instead missed New York completely despite only the Shell & Vauxhall garage side being closed off.

Only thing I could put down too is inexperienced / new drivers or drivers from other depots being drafted in....hence avoiding the stress of a diversion.
L469 YVK
19 Sep 2023, 7:48 pm #1,849

Why has the 309, 353, 354 not operated via Westminster Avenue and Norham Road North during the evenings and instead missed New York completely despite only the Shell & Vauxhall garage side being closed off.

Only thing I could put down too is inexperienced / new drivers or drivers from other depots being drafted in....hence avoiding the stress of a diversion.

Busu284



219
19 Sep 2023, 9:24 pm #1,850
(19 Sep 2023, 7:48 pm)L469 YVK Why has the 309, 353, 354 not operated via Westminster Avenue and Norham Road North during the evenings and instead missed New York completely despite only the Shell & Vauxhall garage side being closed off.

Only thing I could put down too is inexperienced / new drivers or drivers from other depots being drafted in....hence avoiding the stress of a diversion.
Work being done on thr Road and its closed on evenings
Busu284
19 Sep 2023, 9:24 pm #1,850

(19 Sep 2023, 7:48 pm)L469 YVK Why has the 309, 353, 354 not operated via Westminster Avenue and Norham Road North during the evenings and instead missed New York completely despite only the Shell & Vauxhall garage side being closed off.

Only thing I could put down too is inexperienced / new drivers or drivers from other depots being drafted in....hence avoiding the stress of a diversion.
Work being done on thr Road and its closed on evenings

Unber43



3,566
21 Sep 2023, 11:44 pm #1,851
4 355's are cancelled in a row, and the last 3 351's are
Unber43
21 Sep 2023, 11:44 pm #1,851

4 355's are cancelled in a row, and the last 3 351's are

Thomas12



467
22 Sep 2023, 12:01 am #1,852
(21 Sep 2023, 11:44 pm)Unber43 4 355's are cancelled in a row, and the last 3 351's are

They’re a disgrace, the last two Q3 services from Wallsend are cancelled too. 

There was an hour and a half gap in the services in the 1 today too - this is fine if you live on a section where the 22 or 306 duplicates the service, but is an absolute disgrace otherwise.
 
The cancellations published on the website by Percy Main are also not reflective of the reality.
Thomas12
22 Sep 2023, 12:01 am #1,852

(21 Sep 2023, 11:44 pm)Unber43 4 355's are cancelled in a row, and the last 3 351's are

They’re a disgrace, the last two Q3 services from Wallsend are cancelled too. 

There was an hour and a half gap in the services in the 1 today too - this is fine if you live on a section where the 22 or 306 duplicates the service, but is an absolute disgrace otherwise.
 
The cancellations published on the website by Percy Main are also not reflective of the reality.

Dan

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18,126
22 Sep 2023, 4:34 am #1,853
(22 Sep 2023, 12:01 am)Thomas12 The cancellations published on the website by Percy Main are also not reflective of the reality.

The list on the website is accurate.

What that list doesn’t include is any journeys cancelled at short notice due to breakdowns or regulation.

There are a number of ETMs not communicating at the moment and are awaiting an engineer to attend. Lots of people on this forum use bustimes as if it is gospel to check for additional journeys not running, but there a few buses (or ticket machines) not tracking correctly at the moment.


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Dan
22 Sep 2023, 4:34 am #1,853

(22 Sep 2023, 12:01 am)Thomas12 The cancellations published on the website by Percy Main are also not reflective of the reality.

The list on the website is accurate.

What that list doesn’t include is any journeys cancelled at short notice due to breakdowns or regulation.

There are a number of ETMs not communicating at the moment and are awaiting an engineer to attend. Lots of people on this forum use bustimes as if it is gospel to check for additional journeys not running, but there a few buses (or ticket machines) not tracking correctly at the moment.


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Thomas12



467
22 Sep 2023, 10:55 am #1,854
(22 Sep 2023, 4:34 am)Dan The list on the website is accurate.

What that list doesn’t include is any journeys cancelled at short notice due to breakdowns or regulation.

There are a number of ETMs not communicating at the moment and are awaiting an engineer to attend. Lots of people on this forum use bustimes as if it is gospel to check for additional journeys not running, but there a few buses (or ticket machines) not tracking correctly at the moment.


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Fair enough, there must be a lot of breakdowns then!
Thomas12
22 Sep 2023, 10:55 am #1,854

(22 Sep 2023, 4:34 am)Dan The list on the website is accurate.

What that list doesn’t include is any journeys cancelled at short notice due to breakdowns or regulation.

There are a number of ETMs not communicating at the moment and are awaiting an engineer to attend. Lots of people on this forum use bustimes as if it is gospel to check for additional journeys not running, but there a few buses (or ticket machines) not tracking correctly at the moment.


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Fair enough, there must be a lot of breakdowns then!

Unber43



3,566
22 Sep 2023, 11:34 am #1,855
(22 Sep 2023, 10:55 am)Thomas12 Fair enough, there must be a lot of breakdowns then!
Of course there is have you seen what they have at PM
Unber43
22 Sep 2023, 11:34 am #1,855

(22 Sep 2023, 10:55 am)Thomas12 Fair enough, there must be a lot of breakdowns then!
Of course there is have you seen what they have at PM

Unber43



3,566
22 Sep 2023, 2:28 pm #1,856
Something need to be done about the 21 currently on Brandon Service left Eldon Square on time by the time we got to Gateshead we were 10 mins late, there are Angels 25 mins late, its especially bad from Brandon and Durham as half the time they run dead to CLS like 4 did in a row the other day, no 21 for over 2 hrs
Unber43
22 Sep 2023, 2:28 pm #1,856

Something need to be done about the 21 currently on Brandon Service left Eldon Square on time by the time we got to Gateshead we were 10 mins late, there are Angels 25 mins late, its especially bad from Brandon and Durham as half the time they run dead to CLS like 4 did in a row the other day, no 21 for over 2 hrs

Adrian



9,589
22 Sep 2023, 3:13 pm #1,857
(22 Sep 2023, 2:28 pm)Unber43 Something need to be done about the 21 currently on Brandon Service left Eldon Square on time by the time we got to Gateshead we were 10 mins late, there are angles 25 mins late, its especially bad from Brandon and Durham as half the time they run dead to CLS like 4 did in a row the other day, no 21 for over 2 hrs

Including right angles? 

Or even Kurt?

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Adrian
22 Sep 2023, 3:13 pm #1,857

(22 Sep 2023, 2:28 pm)Unber43 Something need to be done about the 21 currently on Brandon Service left Eldon Square on time by the time we got to Gateshead we were 10 mins late, there are angles 25 mins late, its especially bad from Brandon and Durham as half the time they run dead to CLS like 4 did in a row the other day, no 21 for over 2 hrs

Including right angles? 

Or even Kurt?


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MurdnunoC



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22 Sep 2023, 3:22 pm #1,858
(22 Sep 2023, 3:13 pm)Adrian Including right angles? 

Or even Kurt?
If it's not a right angle, it's a WRONG! angle.

- Eddie Murphy, Beverly Hills Cop II (1987).

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MurdnunoC
22 Sep 2023, 3:22 pm #1,858

(22 Sep 2023, 3:13 pm)Adrian Including right angles? 

Or even Kurt?
If it's not a right angle, it's a WRONG! angle.

- Eddie Murphy, Beverly Hills Cop II (1987).

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Jimmi



10,974
22 Sep 2023, 3:48 pm #1,859
(22 Sep 2023, 3:22 pm)MurdnunoC If it's not a right angle, it's a WRONG! angle.

- Eddie Murphy, Beverly Hills Cop II (1987).

I'll get Sergeant Angle on the case[Image: d8ccc9c21e69f6118f378f7a9b333827.gif]
Jimmi
22 Sep 2023, 3:48 pm #1,859

(22 Sep 2023, 3:22 pm)MurdnunoC If it's not a right angle, it's a WRONG! angle.

- Eddie Murphy, Beverly Hills Cop II (1987).

I'll get Sergeant Angle on the case[Image: d8ccc9c21e69f6118f378f7a9b333827.gif]

j986986



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23 Sep 2023, 5:14 pm #1,860
[Image: c86fc05c68faaa5c913aabd7b91b5428.jpg]
There’s quite a lot of posts and comments similar to this on the Forest Hall and Killingworth Facebook groups. People are sick of having terrible bus services and it sums up the public’s view on buses.


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23 Sep 2023, 5:14 pm #1,860

[Image: c86fc05c68faaa5c913aabd7b91b5428.jpg]
There’s quite a lot of posts and comments similar to this on the Forest Hall and Killingworth Facebook groups. People are sick of having terrible bus services and it sums up the public’s view on buses.


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