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Jimmi



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24 Mar 2024, 1:21 pm #3,581
(24 Mar 2024, 12:07 pm)Storx It's a shame someone couldn't use their brain and make Brafferton Lane, one way towards Aycliffe so there wouldn't be any time penalty at all...

No doubt everyone else, will be rat running along there regardless.

No doubt that will happen, be a nightmare trying to get round there as parts of that route ain't the widest either.

Buses aside, anyone with a brain and knowledge of the area would take alternative routes anyway to completely dodge it although this has been suddenly sprung on us with little to no communication, despite the bridge being coned off down to one lane for about 2 years now.
Jimmi
24 Mar 2024, 1:21 pm #3,581

(24 Mar 2024, 12:07 pm)Storx It's a shame someone couldn't use their brain and make Brafferton Lane, one way towards Aycliffe so there wouldn't be any time penalty at all...

No doubt everyone else, will be rat running along there regardless.

No doubt that will happen, be a nightmare trying to get round there as parts of that route ain't the widest either.

Buses aside, anyone with a brain and knowledge of the area would take alternative routes anyway to completely dodge it although this has been suddenly sprung on us with little to no communication, despite the bridge being coned off down to one lane for about 2 years now.

Storx



4,647
24 Mar 2024, 2:17 pm #3,582
(24 Mar 2024, 1:21 pm)Jimmi No doubt that will happen, be a nightmare trying to get round there as parts of that route ain't the widest either.

Buses aside, anyone with a brain and knowledge of the area would take alternative routes anyway to completely dodge it although this has been suddenly sprung on us with little to no communication, despite the bridge being coned off down to one lane for about 2 years now.

Yeah you're right there mind, I haven't seen it mentioned it anywhere and it's quite a big closure aswell considering it's the main route out of Darlington North and also to large parts of Teesside aswell without using the Sadberge / Great Stainton rat run.
Storx
24 Mar 2024, 2:17 pm #3,582

(24 Mar 2024, 1:21 pm)Jimmi No doubt that will happen, be a nightmare trying to get round there as parts of that route ain't the widest either.

Buses aside, anyone with a brain and knowledge of the area would take alternative routes anyway to completely dodge it although this has been suddenly sprung on us with little to no communication, despite the bridge being coned off down to one lane for about 2 years now.

Yeah you're right there mind, I haven't seen it mentioned it anywhere and it's quite a big closure aswell considering it's the main route out of Darlington North and also to large parts of Teesside aswell without using the Sadberge / Great Stainton rat run.

ross13



99
24 Mar 2024, 6:01 pm #3,583
(24 Mar 2024, 2:17 pm)Storx Yeah you're right there mind, I haven't seen it mentioned it anywhere and it's quite a big closure aswell considering it's the main route out of Darlington North and also to large parts of Teesside aswell without using the Sadberge / Great Stainton rat run.

Brafferton was considered as a diversion but the residents and Darlington borough council didn't want buses and hgvs going through especially if u meet on the little bridge then your stuck
ross13
24 Mar 2024, 6:01 pm #3,583

(24 Mar 2024, 2:17 pm)Storx Yeah you're right there mind, I haven't seen it mentioned it anywhere and it's quite a big closure aswell considering it's the main route out of Darlington North and also to large parts of Teesside aswell without using the Sadberge / Great Stainton rat run.

Brafferton was considered as a diversion but the residents and Darlington borough council didn't want buses and hgvs going through especially if u meet on the little bridge then your stuck

Storx



4,647
24 Mar 2024, 6:22 pm #3,584
(24 Mar 2024, 6:01 pm)ross13 Brafferton was considered as a diversion but the residents and Darlington borough council didn't want buses and hgvs going through especially if u meet on the little bridge then your stuck

Aye it's a shame they couldn't have made it one way tbh and banned HGV's along it or even everyone 'except for access' like they've done in other areas so the Brafferton lot can still get along.

It's going to be a nightmare because, let's be honest, anyone local will be going along it anyway tbh.
Storx
24 Mar 2024, 6:22 pm #3,584

(24 Mar 2024, 6:01 pm)ross13 Brafferton was considered as a diversion but the residents and Darlington borough council didn't want buses and hgvs going through especially if u meet on the little bridge then your stuck

Aye it's a shame they couldn't have made it one way tbh and banned HGV's along it or even everyone 'except for access' like they've done in other areas so the Brafferton lot can still get along.

It's going to be a nightmare because, let's be honest, anyone local will be going along it anyway tbh.

Andreos1



14,261
25 Mar 2024, 5:57 pm #3,585
https://www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk/...1711360896

More on the new Saturday services

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
25 Mar 2024, 5:57 pm #3,585

https://www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk/...1711360896

More on the new Saturday services


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

mb134



4,165
25 Mar 2024, 6:43 pm #3,586
(25 Mar 2024, 5:57 pm)Andreos1 https://www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk/...1711360896

More on the new Saturday services

Dropping countless runs per day on all their other services but can find the staff for this. Should be stripped of all recent contract awards given they can't run any of them without decimating their other services.

Quote from Head of Commercial Richard McGowan just over a year ago: "We are not going to try and achieve something we know we cannot do, we have learned our lessons from that." (https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/tran...es-3986555).  Evidently they have not learned their lessons.
Edited 25 Mar 2024, 6:50 pm by mb134.
mb134
25 Mar 2024, 6:43 pm #3,586

(25 Mar 2024, 5:57 pm)Andreos1 https://www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk/...1711360896

More on the new Saturday services

Dropping countless runs per day on all their other services but can find the staff for this. Should be stripped of all recent contract awards given they can't run any of them without decimating their other services.

Quote from Head of Commercial Richard McGowan just over a year ago: "We are not going to try and achieve something we know we cannot do, we have learned our lessons from that." (https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/tran...es-3986555).  Evidently they have not learned their lessons.

26 Mar 2024, 7:39 am #3,587
(25 Mar 2024, 6:43 pm)mb134 Dropping countless runs per day on all their other services but can find the staff for this. Should be stripped of all recent contract awards given they can't run any of them without decimating their other services.

Thing is, if they're running all the contracted services, but dumping the commercial stuff to do it, the folks overseeing the contracts will have nothing to complain about, as the work is being correctly done.  The "passengers" on the commercial routes are well stuffed, but nothing's going to happen about that unless the Traffic Commissioner gets involved, which could take some time.
Ianthegoon
26 Mar 2024, 7:39 am #3,587

(25 Mar 2024, 6:43 pm)mb134 Dropping countless runs per day on all their other services but can find the staff for this. Should be stripped of all recent contract awards given they can't run any of them without decimating their other services.

Thing is, if they're running all the contracted services, but dumping the commercial stuff to do it, the folks overseeing the contracts will have nothing to complain about, as the work is being correctly done.  The "passengers" on the commercial routes are well stuffed, but nothing's going to happen about that unless the Traffic Commissioner gets involved, which could take some time.

mb134



4,165
26 Mar 2024, 9:19 am #3,588
(26 Mar 2024, 7:39 am)Ianthegoon Thing is, if they're running all the contracted services, but dumping the commercial stuff to do it, the folks overseeing the contracts will have nothing to complain about, as the work is being correctly done.  The "passengers" on the commercial routes are well stuffed, but nothing's going to happen about that unless the Traffic Commissioner gets involved, which could take some time.

The worst part is they're not even running all of the contracted services. Countless Morpeth 43 extensions (BSIP funded) and 57A extensions (BSIP funded) have been dropped over the past few weeks.
mb134
26 Mar 2024, 9:19 am #3,588

(26 Mar 2024, 7:39 am)Ianthegoon Thing is, if they're running all the contracted services, but dumping the commercial stuff to do it, the folks overseeing the contracts will have nothing to complain about, as the work is being correctly done.  The "passengers" on the commercial routes are well stuffed, but nothing's going to happen about that unless the Traffic Commissioner gets involved, which could take some time.

The worst part is they're not even running all of the contracted services. Countless Morpeth 43 extensions (BSIP funded) and 57A extensions (BSIP funded) have been dropped over the past few weeks.

Storx



4,647
26 Mar 2024, 9:27 am #3,589
(26 Mar 2024, 9:19 am)mb134 The worst part is they're not even running all of the contracted services. Countless Morpeth 43 extensions (BSIP funded) and 57A extensions (BSIP funded) have been dropped over the past few weeks.

Happy to be corrected but apart from a breakdown the other week, I don't believe there's been any cancellations on the 57A. Some of the buses, especially 1538, are just a bit dodgy on the tracking.

It's a bit of a mess today with multiple buses tracking on multiple routes, namely 1538 and 1574 plus two spare machines.
Edited 26 Mar 2024, 9:29 am by Storx.
Storx
26 Mar 2024, 9:27 am #3,589

(26 Mar 2024, 9:19 am)mb134 The worst part is they're not even running all of the contracted services. Countless Morpeth 43 extensions (BSIP funded) and 57A extensions (BSIP funded) have been dropped over the past few weeks.

Happy to be corrected but apart from a breakdown the other week, I don't believe there's been any cancellations on the 57A. Some of the buses, especially 1538, are just a bit dodgy on the tracking.

It's a bit of a mess today with multiple buses tracking on multiple routes, namely 1538 and 1574 plus two spare machines.

mb134



4,165
26 Mar 2024, 9:49 am #3,590
(26 Mar 2024, 9:27 am)Storx Happy to be corrected but apart from a breakdown the other week, I don't believe there's been any cancellations on the 57A. Some of the buses, especially 1538, are just a bit dodgy on the tracking.

It's a bit of a mess today with multiple buses tracking on multiple routes, namely 1538 and 1574 plus two spare machines.

From memory the other Saturday was particularly bad on the 57/A, with multiple 2 hour gaps. It's certainly nowhere near as bad as the 43s, which got to the point that the same evening (contracted) trip was cancelled virtually daily. Agreed that it's not been as bad recently, but they certainly have dropped them.
mb134
26 Mar 2024, 9:49 am #3,590

(26 Mar 2024, 9:27 am)Storx Happy to be corrected but apart from a breakdown the other week, I don't believe there's been any cancellations on the 57A. Some of the buses, especially 1538, are just a bit dodgy on the tracking.

It's a bit of a mess today with multiple buses tracking on multiple routes, namely 1538 and 1574 plus two spare machines.

From memory the other Saturday was particularly bad on the 57/A, with multiple 2 hour gaps. It's certainly nowhere near as bad as the 43s, which got to the point that the same evening (contracted) trip was cancelled virtually daily. Agreed that it's not been as bad recently, but they certainly have dropped them.

Storx



4,647
26 Mar 2024, 10:01 am #3,591
(26 Mar 2024, 9:49 am)mb134 From memory the other Saturday was particularly bad on the 57/A, with multiple 2 hour gaps. It's certainly nowhere near as bad as the 43s, which got to the point that the same evening (contracted) trip was cancelled virtually daily. Agreed that it's not been as bad recently, but they certainly have dropped them.

Must've missed that day, I know it's generally been alright, which can't be said about the X7, the alternative round here. Seen there's an 90 minute gap at rush hour, again, tonight.

The 43 is a bit of a mess though mind, like everything else to be honest.
Storx
26 Mar 2024, 10:01 am #3,591

(26 Mar 2024, 9:49 am)mb134 From memory the other Saturday was particularly bad on the 57/A, with multiple 2 hour gaps. It's certainly nowhere near as bad as the 43s, which got to the point that the same evening (contracted) trip was cancelled virtually daily. Agreed that it's not been as bad recently, but they certainly have dropped them.

Must've missed that day, I know it's generally been alright, which can't be said about the X7, the alternative round here. Seen there's an 90 minute gap at rush hour, again, tonight.

The 43 is a bit of a mess though mind, like everything else to be honest.

mb134



4,165
13 May 2024, 1:54 pm #3,592
Arriva are consulting on a route change to the X12, which would see it serve Fishburn but omit Teesside Park.

Quote of the Facebook post, and a link to the survey, below:

"Proposed changes to Service X12 in the Sedgefield/Fishburn Area.

We are proposing to make changes to the X12 that subject to feedback may come into effect from October this year.

? For full info and to provide feedback on the proposed changes visit bit.ly/3QJAD5E"
mb134
13 May 2024, 1:54 pm #3,592

Arriva are consulting on a route change to the X12, which would see it serve Fishburn but omit Teesside Park.

Quote of the Facebook post, and a link to the survey, below:

"Proposed changes to Service X12 in the Sedgefield/Fishburn Area.

We are proposing to make changes to the X12 that subject to feedback may come into effect from October this year.

? For full info and to provide feedback on the proposed changes visit bit.ly/3QJAD5E"

Andreos1



14,261
13 May 2024, 3:40 pm #3,593
(13 May 2024, 1:54 pm)mb134 Arriva are consulting on a route change to the X12, which would see it serve Fishburn but omit Teesside Park.

Quote of the Facebook post, and a link to the survey, below:

"Proposed changes to Service X12 in the Sedgefield/Fishburn Area.

We are proposing to make changes to the X12 that subject to feedback may come into effect from October this year.

? For full info and to provide feedback on the proposed changes visit bit.ly/3QJAD5E"

That's an interesting one. 
Bit of a gamble too, assuming there is a greater demand for travel to/from Fisburn, than there is people inconvenienced travelling to/from Teesside Park or the extended journey for Sedgefield punters.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
13 May 2024, 3:40 pm #3,593

(13 May 2024, 1:54 pm)mb134 Arriva are consulting on a route change to the X12, which would see it serve Fishburn but omit Teesside Park.

Quote of the Facebook post, and a link to the survey, below:

"Proposed changes to Service X12 in the Sedgefield/Fishburn Area.

We are proposing to make changes to the X12 that subject to feedback may come into effect from October this year.

? For full info and to provide feedback on the proposed changes visit bit.ly/3QJAD5E"

That's an interesting one. 
Bit of a gamble too, assuming there is a greater demand for travel to/from Fisburn, than there is people inconvenienced travelling to/from Teesside Park or the extended journey for Sedgefield punters.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Storx



4,647
13 May 2024, 6:19 pm #3,594
(13 May 2024, 3:40 pm)Andreos1 That's an interesting one. 
Bit of a gamble too, assuming there is a greater demand for travel to/from Fisburn, than there is people inconvenienced travelling to/from Teesside Park or the extended journey for Sedgefield punters.

This is wild speculation, but it seems like they're covering the X22, in areas without a service. Future withdrawal coming soon or more cutting it short somewhere, ie Peterlee to Trimdon only and working with the 22B/23? It seems to be struggling as an understatement with the recent cuts.
Edited 13 May 2024, 6:26 pm by Storx.
Storx
13 May 2024, 6:19 pm #3,594

(13 May 2024, 3:40 pm)Andreos1 That's an interesting one. 
Bit of a gamble too, assuming there is a greater demand for travel to/from Fisburn, than there is people inconvenienced travelling to/from Teesside Park or the extended journey for Sedgefield punters.

This is wild speculation, but it seems like they're covering the X22, in areas without a service. Future withdrawal coming soon or more cutting it short somewhere, ie Peterlee to Trimdon only and working with the 22B/23? It seems to be struggling as an understatement with the recent cuts.

Jimmi



10,977
13 May 2024, 7:37 pm #3,595
(13 May 2024, 6:19 pm)Storx This is wild speculation, but it seems like they're covering the X22, in areas without a service. Future withdrawal coming soon or more cutting it short somewhere, ie Peterlee to Trimdon only and working with the 22B/23? It seems to be struggling as an understatement with the recent cuts.

Seeing that plan for the X12 did raise the cynicism in me to think X22 could be getting scaled back, hourly Peterlee to Trimdon Village running off 22B is certainly plausible, I would say it would almost entirely eliminate a direct bus from Trimdons towards Sedgefield but doubt that bothers Arriva too much.

Unsure if there's ang contractual requirements on any portion of the X22 in the daytime? Evenings are, so could wind up like the 35A which serves areas which doesn't even have a daytime service/links.
Jimmi
13 May 2024, 7:37 pm #3,595

(13 May 2024, 6:19 pm)Storx This is wild speculation, but it seems like they're covering the X22, in areas without a service. Future withdrawal coming soon or more cutting it short somewhere, ie Peterlee to Trimdon only and working with the 22B/23? It seems to be struggling as an understatement with the recent cuts.

Seeing that plan for the X12 did raise the cynicism in me to think X22 could be getting scaled back, hourly Peterlee to Trimdon Village running off 22B is certainly plausible, I would say it would almost entirely eliminate a direct bus from Trimdons towards Sedgefield but doubt that bothers Arriva too much.

Unsure if there's ang contractual requirements on any portion of the X22 in the daytime? Evenings are, so could wind up like the 35A which serves areas which doesn't even have a daytime service/links.

Storx



4,647
13 May 2024, 8:35 pm #3,596
(13 May 2024, 7:37 pm)Jimmi Seeing that plan for the X12 did raise the cynicism in me to think X22 could be getting scaled back, hourly Peterlee to Trimdon Village running off 22B is certainly plausible, I would say it would almost entirely eliminate a direct bus from Trimdons towards Sedgefield but doubt that bothers Arriva too much.

Unsure if there's ang contractual requirements on any portion of the X22 in the daytime? Evenings are, so could wind up like the 35A which serves areas which doesn't even have a daytime service/links.

Yeah that was my thoughts aswell, mind I was more thinking they'd keep it fully 30 minutes, didn't realise the 22B was standalone so maybe it could be:

22B -> X22 -> X22 -> X22 -> X22 -> 22B. Would still a bus off the PVR if I worked it out right ie.

22B, 11:53 DUR -> 12:45 PTL
X22: 12:50 PTL -> 13:32 SDG
X22: 13:33 SDG -> 14:15 PTL
X22: 14:20 PTL -> 15:02 SDG
X22: 15:03 SDG -> 15:45 PTL
22B: 15:55 PTL -> 16:45 DUR

Nice hours for a driver shift and there's no timetable changes either as the 22B / X22 connect anyway.
Edited 13 May 2024, 9:21 pm by Storx.
Storx
13 May 2024, 8:35 pm #3,596

(13 May 2024, 7:37 pm)Jimmi Seeing that plan for the X12 did raise the cynicism in me to think X22 could be getting scaled back, hourly Peterlee to Trimdon Village running off 22B is certainly plausible, I would say it would almost entirely eliminate a direct bus from Trimdons towards Sedgefield but doubt that bothers Arriva too much.

Unsure if there's ang contractual requirements on any portion of the X22 in the daytime? Evenings are, so could wind up like the 35A which serves areas which doesn't even have a daytime service/links.

Yeah that was my thoughts aswell, mind I was more thinking they'd keep it fully 30 minutes, didn't realise the 22B was standalone so maybe it could be:

22B -> X22 -> X22 -> X22 -> X22 -> 22B. Would still a bus off the PVR if I worked it out right ie.

22B, 11:53 DUR -> 12:45 PTL
X22: 12:50 PTL -> 13:32 SDG
X22: 13:33 SDG -> 14:15 PTL
X22: 14:20 PTL -> 15:02 SDG
X22: 15:03 SDG -> 15:45 PTL
22B: 15:55 PTL -> 16:45 DUR

Nice hours for a driver shift and there's no timetable changes either as the 22B / X22 connect anyway.

Unber43



3,567
13 May 2024, 8:45 pm #3,597
quite tight timing
Unber43
13 May 2024, 8:45 pm #3,597

quite tight timing

Storx



4,647
13 May 2024, 9:30 pm #3,598
(13 May 2024, 8:45 pm)Unber43 quite tight timing

Aye I made a mistake, fixed it now. I didn't change any times there though, it's basically just the current timetable with the Stockton X22 curtailed.

Apart from the Trimdons to Stockton, there's not really any lost links, well and the villages between Sedgefield and Stockton being unserved but I'd doubt they'd care about them.
Edited 13 May 2024, 9:32 pm by Storx.
Storx
13 May 2024, 9:30 pm #3,598

(13 May 2024, 8:45 pm)Unber43 quite tight timing

Aye I made a mistake, fixed it now. I didn't change any times there though, it's basically just the current timetable with the Stockton X22 curtailed.

Apart from the Trimdons to Stockton, there's not really any lost links, well and the villages between Sedgefield and Stockton being unserved but I'd doubt they'd care about them.

Ambassador



1,866
13 May 2024, 11:36 pm #3,599
They could quite easily withdraw the northern route of the X12 past Durham.

It’s so lightly loaded aside a match day or if GNE has one of its 21 melt downs

That would help timings
Ambassador
13 May 2024, 11:36 pm #3,599

They could quite easily withdraw the northern route of the X12 past Durham.

It’s so lightly loaded aside a match day or if GNE has one of its 21 melt downs

That would help timings

BusLoverMum



5,289
14 May 2024, 1:13 pm #3,600
(13 May 2024, 11:36 pm)Ambassador They could quite easily withdraw the northern route of the X12 past Durham.

It’s so lightly loaded aside a match day or if GNE has one of its 21 melt downs

That would help timings

It's always been fairly busy when I've used it, even yesterday, when it sailed through Chester le Street because the X21 and 21s had already cleared the stands.
BusLoverMum
14 May 2024, 1:13 pm #3,600

(13 May 2024, 11:36 pm)Ambassador They could quite easily withdraw the northern route of the X12 past Durham.

It’s so lightly loaded aside a match day or if GNE has one of its 21 melt downs

That would help timings

It's always been fairly busy when I've used it, even yesterday, when it sailed through Chester le Street because the X21 and 21s had already cleared the stands.

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