Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - June 2014
Stagecoach North East: Latest News & Discussion - June 2014
apparently all of slatyfords T-reg ALX 300S are to be withdrawn in the next coming weeks/months and replaced with newer south shields and sunderland ALX 300S. 22072 and I think 22021 (not 100% on that one) have already been re- allocated to slatyford, rumoured to replace 22479 and 22492 which are already delicensed. also rumoured is that slatyford will be receiving a unspecified euro 6 vehicle
(22 Jun 2014, 6:34 am)Richard Smiles While speculation is always interesting, I prefer to work directly from the Official Stagecoach North East Fleet Allocation Cards, kindly supplied each month.South Shields would only be able to release 2 MAN ALX300 as we are only getting 2 NEW buses, if we do release buses to Slatyford it would imagine it will be 22049/50 as they are the 2 we have the most trouble with
I am somewhat puzzled, as to why Slatyford would suddenly wish to replace 22479 & 22492, as these two vehicles, as you have rightly pointed out, have already been de-licenced, but they have been so now, for many months.
It would be just about possible, to replace ALL 12 of Slatyford's T4xxBNL non-DDA compliant MANs, but this in part would be down to whether South Shields could reduce the capacity slightly on Service X20 from a MAN operation (ALX 300) to an Enviro 200, using slightly fewer seats. Perhaps the South Shields Members of the Forum MrNutt85 & Half Pint could help us with this, as those two gentlemen, are in a far better position to know than I.
Sunderland are currently in the process of receiving 23 Scania GAS buses, replacing 23 MANs, but there is a requirement of 27 vehicles, so at least four of the DDA compliant MANs will have to be retained at Sunderland. Lets say for argument sake 22079 - 22082. This would then release 8 DDA compliant MANs (22021, 22072-22078) from Sunderland to Slatyford, to replace 8 out of their 12 non-DDA compliant vehicles, so you now need to find a further four.
South Shields have an Allocation of 5 MANs, of which only two appear to be formally allocated for use on Service X20.
I would therefore surmise that the additional 3 MANs allocated to South Shields, act as back up vehicles, probably for Service X34. So, if service X20 were to be operated by E200s, say the two New vehicles 37143 & 37144, potentially 4 MANs could be transferred to Slatyford to replace the remaining four non-DDA compliant vehicles, with the remaining MAN, acting as the X34 back up vehicle.
This is pure speculation on my part of course & so as previously mentioned, would rather wait for the Official Fleet Cards & the feedback to my comments from our South Shields Members.
There will still be several non-DDA compliant MANs to be replaced at Stockton Depot, even after delivery of our 25 New E300s later this year. So perhaps for next year, South Shields could get a batch of the New Enviro E400 MMC Double Deckers to Upgrade the E services, allowing the 27723 - 27740 batch of E300s to be cascaded to Stockton to oust the remaining non-DDA compliant MANs, and thus keeping ALL of the same type, at the one Depot.
Or better still, for Stockton to receive a batch of New Enviro 400 MMC vehicles. Just spotted a Flying Pig!!!!.
(22 Jun 2014, 6:34 am)Richard Smiles While speculation is always interesting, I prefer to work directly from the Official Stagecoach North East Fleet Allocation Cards, kindly supplied each month.South Shields would only be able to release 2 MAN ALX300 as we are only getting 2 NEW buses, if we do release buses to Slatyford it would imagine it will be 22049/50 as they are the 2 we have the most trouble with
I am somewhat puzzled, as to why Slatyford would suddenly wish to replace 22479 & 22492, as these two vehicles, as you have rightly pointed out, have already been de-licenced, but they have been so now, for many months.
It would be just about possible, to replace ALL 12 of Slatyford's T4xxBNL non-DDA compliant MANs, but this in part would be down to whether South Shields could reduce the capacity slightly on Service X20 from a MAN operation (ALX 300) to an Enviro 200, using slightly fewer seats. Perhaps the South Shields Members of the Forum MrNutt85 & Half Pint could help us with this, as those two gentlemen, are in a far better position to know than I.
Sunderland are currently in the process of receiving 23 Scania GAS buses, replacing 23 MANs, but there is a requirement of 27 vehicles, so at least four of the DDA compliant MANs will have to be retained at Sunderland. Lets say for argument sake 22079 - 22082. This would then release 8 DDA compliant MANs (22021, 22072-22078) from Sunderland to Slatyford, to replace 8 out of their 12 non-DDA compliant vehicles, so you now need to find a further four.
South Shields have an Allocation of 5 MANs, of which only two appear to be formally allocated for use on Service X20.
I would therefore surmise that the additional 3 MANs allocated to South Shields, act as back up vehicles, probably for Service X34. So, if service X20 were to be operated by E200s, say the two New vehicles 37143 & 37144, potentially 4 MANs could be transferred to Slatyford to replace the remaining four non-DDA compliant vehicles, with the remaining MAN, acting as the X34 back up vehicle.
This is pure speculation on my part of course & so as previously mentioned, would rather wait for the Official Fleet Cards & the feedback to my comments from our South Shields Members.
There will still be several non-DDA compliant MANs to be replaced at Stockton Depot, even after delivery of our 25 New E300s later this year. So perhaps for next year, South Shields could get a batch of the New Enviro E400 MMC Double Deckers to Upgrade the E services, allowing the 27723 - 27740 batch of E300s to be cascaded to Stockton to oust the remaining non-DDA compliant MANs, and thus keeping ALL of the same type, at the one Depot.
Or better still, for Stockton to receive a batch of New Enviro 400 MMC vehicles. Just spotted a Flying Pig!!!!.
(22 Jun 2014, 2:16 pm)Dan Judging by a poor-quality photo which has been sent to me, the registration appears to be YP14 TGN, meaning that said vehicle is 28039.
(22 Jun 2014, 2:16 pm)Dan Judging by a poor-quality photo which has been sent to me, the registration appears to be YP14 TGN, meaning that said vehicle is 28039.
(22 Jun 2014, 2:47 pm)Richard Smiles I am sort of hoping that 28040 is already here somewhere. The deadline for delivery of ALL 23 is this coming Friday 27 June 2014.
However, the Period 2 Fleet Card period expires today, with Period 3 starting tomorrow, hopefully with the Period 3 Cards arriving by email in my inbox by around Thursday, allowing me to do a full Fleet List Update. It would be therefore much easier, if all were able to be recorded.
However, as the vehicles usually take a few days to be prepared for service, it is likely we will have to wait until the Period 4 Card, before we can see the full vehicle cascade picture.
(22 Jun 2014, 2:47 pm)Richard Smiles I am sort of hoping that 28040 is already here somewhere. The deadline for delivery of ALL 23 is this coming Friday 27 June 2014.
However, the Period 2 Fleet Card period expires today, with Period 3 starting tomorrow, hopefully with the Period 3 Cards arriving by email in my inbox by around Thursday, allowing me to do a full Fleet List Update. It would be therefore much easier, if all were able to be recorded.
However, as the vehicles usually take a few days to be prepared for service, it is likely we will have to wait until the Period 4 Card, before we can see the full vehicle cascade picture.
(22 Jun 2014, 3:06 pm)Richard Smiles Yes, The Period 3 Allocation Period starts tomorrow Michael, but it usually towards the end of the week Thursday or Friday, before I get a copy. That is just down though, to how the production system works, as more than one party and more than one Depot are involved in the Fleet Allocation Cards production.
(22 Jun 2014, 3:06 pm)Richard Smiles Yes, The Period 3 Allocation Period starts tomorrow Michael, but it usually towards the end of the week Thursday or Friday, before I get a copy. That is just down though, to how the production system works, as more than one party and more than one Depot are involved in the Fleet Allocation Cards production.
(22 Jun 2014, 3:13 pm)Richard Smiles Yes, cant wait for the New Stockton E300s to arrive. We should have at least 10 by the time the Open Day at Stockton takes place.
Deliveries are due to start from Mid September and run through until Mid October.
(22 Jun 2014, 3:13 pm)Richard Smiles Yes, cant wait for the New Stockton E300s to arrive. We should have at least 10 by the time the Open Day at Stockton takes place.
Deliveries are due to start from Mid September and run through until Mid October.
(22 Jun 2014, 3:20 pm)Michael Doesn't seem that far away, once they're all in service, we will be discussing next years orders
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(22 Jun 2014, 3:20 pm)Michael Doesn't seem that far away, once they're all in service, we will be discussing next years orders
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(22 Jun 2014, 3:35 pm)tyresmoke You'd be surprised how early next years orders are being decided - probably around now! Of course it takes a whole for the information to filter through... Depending what contacts you have of course!
(22 Jun 2014, 3:35 pm)tyresmoke You'd be surprised how early next years orders are being decided - probably around now! Of course it takes a whole for the information to filter through... Depending what contacts you have of course!
(22 Jun 2014, 3:44 pm)Richard Smiles Its a fairly long drawn out Process for Stagecoach UK Bus, as first The Individual Divisions have to put together Bids for vehicles & specify the Services they will be used on. Once the bidding process is completed, it takes a while for them to be processed & once the requirements are totalled, a second Bidding Process goes out to The Manufacturers to build the vehicles & how many of each type etc.
Though I doubt, they will land on Teesside, It would be nice to see Stagecoach North East get a supply of the New Enviro 400 MMC. Judging by previous posts, it sounds like the X34 would be a good candidate for an upgrade.
(22 Jun 2014, 3:44 pm)Richard Smiles Its a fairly long drawn out Process for Stagecoach UK Bus, as first The Individual Divisions have to put together Bids for vehicles & specify the Services they will be used on. Once the bidding process is completed, it takes a while for them to be processed & once the requirements are totalled, a second Bidding Process goes out to The Manufacturers to build the vehicles & how many of each type etc.
Though I doubt, they will land on Teesside, It would be nice to see Stagecoach North East get a supply of the New Enviro 400 MMC. Judging by previous posts, it sounds like the X34 would be a good candidate for an upgrade.
(22 Jun 2014, 3:44 pm)Richard Smiles Its a fairly long drawn out Process for Stagecoach UK Bus, as first The Individual Divisions have to put together Bids for vehicles & specify the Services they will be used on. Once the bidding process is completed, it takes a while for them to be processed & once the requirements are totalled, a second Bidding Process goes out to The Manufacturers to build the vehicles & how many of each type etc.
Though I doubt, they will land on Teesside, It would be nice to see Stagecoach North East get a supply of the New Enviro 400 MMC. Judging by previous posts, it sounds like the X34 would be a good candidate for an upgrade.
(22 Jun 2014, 3:44 pm)Richard Smiles Its a fairly long drawn out Process for Stagecoach UK Bus, as first The Individual Divisions have to put together Bids for vehicles & specify the Services they will be used on. Once the bidding process is completed, it takes a while for them to be processed & once the requirements are totalled, a second Bidding Process goes out to The Manufacturers to build the vehicles & how many of each type etc.
Though I doubt, they will land on Teesside, It would be nice to see Stagecoach North East get a supply of the New Enviro 400 MMC. Judging by previous posts, it sounds like the X34 would be a good candidate for an upgrade.
(22 Jun 2014, 3:52 pm)Dan Would personally like to see service 4 and 12 in Sunderland upgraded to gas buses (PVR 15, so 17 buses ordered), and also the Economic & X34 services upgraded to E400MMC (PVR 19, so 22 ordered).
This would total 39 vehicles, and hopefully there would be room for another upgrade somewhere too - perhaps in Newcastle.
(22 Jun 2014, 3:52 pm)Dan Would personally like to see service 4 and 12 in Sunderland upgraded to gas buses (PVR 15, so 17 buses ordered), and also the Economic & X34 services upgraded to E400MMC (PVR 19, so 22 ordered).
This would total 39 vehicles, and hopefully there would be room for another upgrade somewhere too - perhaps in Newcastle.
(22 Jun 2014, 4:29 pm)Richard Smiles In reply to your comment about Newcastle Services getting an upgrade, I do wonder about replacements for 27506 - 27510 on Service 100, as they don't appear to be the most reliable of vehicles ?.
(22 Jun 2014, 4:29 pm)Richard Smiles In reply to your comment about Newcastle Services getting an upgrade, I do wonder about replacements for 27506 - 27510 on Service 100, as they don't appear to be the most reliable of vehicles ?.
(22 Jun 2014, 4:36 pm)Richard Smiles Yeah, you could be right there Dan, I think the reason for that particular Model was indeed based on Seating Capacity specifically for Service 100, to provide more capacity.
(22 Jun 2014, 4:36 pm)Richard Smiles Yeah, you could be right there Dan, I think the reason for that particular Model was indeed based on Seating Capacity specifically for Service 100, to provide more capacity.
(22 Jun 2014, 4:44 pm)Michael What is the capacity on them?
Only being on them once and i liked them.
Can they not use decker's on the 100?
(22 Jun 2014, 4:44 pm)Michael What is the capacity on them?
Only being on them once and i liked them.
Can they not use decker's on the 100?
(22 Jun 2014, 4:44 pm)Michael What is the capacity on them?
Only being on them once and i liked them.
Can they not use decker's on the 100?
(22 Jun 2014, 4:44 pm)Michael What is the capacity on them?
Only being on them once and i liked them.
Can they not use decker's on the 100?
(22 Jun 2014, 4:44 pm)Michael Can they not use decker's on the 100?
