In anticipation of the new park and ride at Eighton Lodge (due next year)

The Angelic PR (or the erm...24)

Eighton Lodge - Western Bypass - Askew Road - St James Boulevard -Redheugh Bridge - Percy Street - Eldon Square

Other nonsense ideas I've had....

21B - Durham - Framwellgate - Pity Me - CLS - Barley Mow - Birtley - Eighton Lodge Roundabout - Birtley to Durham

21C - CLS - Birtley - Eighton Lodge (Evenings, Sunday and occasional peak workings)

Idea is to take pressure off the 21 to some extent....

2/2a - As GNE changes

20/20a - Durham - Town End Farm on 10 min combined frequency. Circular around North Sunderland Estates and Queen Alexandra Bridge or Fawcett Street.
This will maintain connections to North Sunderland Estates, whilst not hitting traffic issues it would extending to Shields.

35 - Shields to Low Moorsley via Hospital and Durham Road on 20 min frequency
Offers alternative to 20/20a along Durham Road, speeds journeys up between various points. Encourages use on service between Sunderland and Houghton.

35a - Shields to Houghton via Burnside, Silksworth and Hospital on 20 min frequency
Connections maintained between various points, lost with introduction of quicker 35. Operates between Park Lane and Silksworth at opposite ends of clock to 2/2a, offering a frequent service between the two points.

X35 - Hartlepool - Sunderland on half hourly frequency.
Returning to previous workings.

X36 - Hartlepool - Sunderland for Newcastle via A19, Dalton Park, Doxford Park and Durham Road to current route on hourly frequency.
Marketed as through service. New links opened, existing links maintained/extended.

X37 - Peterlee - Newcastle via X7 route and then 56 route to Nissan, A19/A184 on hourly frequency.
Marketed as through service, complementing X7 and offering alternative to 56 in Sunderland.


I haven't worked out PVR's, timings etc - only looking at this, from a passenger perspective.

For the Angel, why not do this:

- 21 revised to operate every 10 minutes between Durham and Newcastle throughout Monday to Saturday daytime.
- 21 revised to operate every 20 minutes between Durham and Newcastle between 7pm and 9pm - 9:30pm then every 30 minutes after that until last service.
- 21 revised to operate every 20 minutes between Durham and Newcastle until 7pm on a Sunday then every 30 minutes after that until last service.
- Coaster service 1 increased to every 15 minutes between Wrekenton and Gateshead Monday to Saturday daytime to assist with loadings and punctuality on the 21.
- Coaster services 1/1a revised to combine with Angel service 21 every 15 minutes between Low Fell and Newcastle after 9-9:30pm during the evenings and after 7pm on a Sunday.

(06 Dec 2014, 4:17 pm)DaveyBowyer wrote For the Angel, why not do this:

- 21 revised to operate every 10 minutes between Durham and Newcastle throughout Monday to Saturday daytime.
- 21 revised to operate every 20 minutes between Durham and Newcastle between 7pm and 9pm - 9:30pm then every 30 minutes after that until last service.
- 21 revised to operate every 20 minutes between Durham and Newcastle until 7pm on a Sunday then every 30 minutes after that until last service.
- Coaster service 1 increased to every 15 minutes between Wrekenton and Gateshead Monday to Saturday daytime to assist with loadings and punctuality on the 21.
- Coaster services 1/1a revised to combine with Angel service 21 every 15 minutes between Low Fell and Newcastle after 9-9:30pm during the evenings and after 7pm on a Sunday.

Wrekenton or the surrounding estates don't need that level of service.

Keep the 1 as it is, send a 1a to Harlow Green Bridge and straight back round onto Durham Road, using the slip road on the other side of the bridge.

It doesn't improve reliability for anyone in Birtley though.

(06 Dec 2014, 4:03 pm)Andreos1 wrote 2/2a - As GNE changes

20/20a - Durham - Town End Farm on 10 min combined frequency. Circular around North Sunderland Estates and Queen Alexandra Bridge or Fawcett Street.
This will maintain connections to North Sunderland Estates, whilst not hitting traffic issues it would extending to Shields.

35 - Shields to Low Moorsley via Hospital and Durham Road on 20 min frequency
Offers alternative to 20/20a along Durham Road, speeds journeys up between various points. Encourages use on service between Sunderland and Houghton.

35a - Shields to Houghton via Burnside, Silksworth and Hospital on 20 min frequency
Connections maintained between various points, lost with introduction of quicker 35. Operates between Park Lane and Silksworth at opposite ends of clock to 2/2a, offering a frequent service between the two points.

X35 - Hartlepool - Sunderland on half hourly frequency.
Returning to previous workings.

X36 - Hartlepool - Sunderland for Newcastle via A19, Dalton Park, Doxford Park and Durham Road to current route on hourly frequency.
Marketed as through service. New links opened, existing links maintained/extended.

X37 - Peterlee - Newcastle via X7 route and then 56 route to Nissan, A19/A184 on hourly frequency.
Marketed as through service, complementing X7 and offering alternative to 56 in Sunderland.


I haven't worked out PVR's, timings etc - only looking at this, from a passenger perspective.

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(06 Dec 2014, 7:29 pm)marxistafozzski wrote #FPFMarathon
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Thought you would have approved a bus to Newcastle?

(06 Dec 2014, 9:16 pm)Andreos1 wrote #servicesforthepeople
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Thought you would have approved a bus to Newcastle?

I do canny journey tho

Of course I approve, it is a bit of a hike, but then any service from Hartlepool-Sunderland for Newcastle will be a canny hike

(07 Dec 2014, 8:40 am)marxistafozzski wrote Of course I approve, it is a bit of a hike, but then any service from Hartlepool-Sunderland for Newcastle will be a canny hike

Ahhhh.... The 231

Now that was a hike that Malarkey would be proud of

In the 1970s, the 230 used to extend beyond its 80s/90s/00s terminal point of Sunderland onto Newcastle.

Now that's a hike - possibly moreso than the 231

From my 1974 TWPTE South Tyneside Timetable booklet:



Every 15 minutes too!

The 230 used to be service 40.

originally service 230 was split, the 230 used to go from Newcastle to Hartlepool via Sunderland on a 30 minute freq and then their was a 230 Sunderland to Middlesbrough 30 minute freq with Sunderland to Hartlepool on a 15 minute freq. later on in life the 230 was renumbered 130 Newcastle to Sunderland and when the Metro was introduced the 130 terminated at Heworth Metro. But the 230 was still kept between Sunderland and Hartlepool.

There was also a 131 between Sunderland and Heworth.
If I remember right, it went through the North Sunderland estates - similar route to the X36

yea the new 131/135/136 started up to replace service 131/132 from the north estates.  got some timetables when their first started up,  just have to wait until the bygone era section starts up again (and Dan enters lol).   

Was the 231 the service that went round Chester-le-Street before it reached Easington Lane...

Got on it one day when I was about 10 with a couple of pubes and pretty much had a fully developed bush by the time I got off as it took that long

yep the 231 Newcastle-Chester-Le-Street-Fence Houses-Houghton-Easington Lane-Peterlee-Hartlepool
and the 735 Newcastle-Chester-Le-Street-Fence Houses-Houghton, both providing a 30 minute service. 735 used to go through Houghton to Seaham but wasn't profitable for Northern, so the Houghton to Seaham had to be secured with a 148 service.

(10 Dec 2014, 7:19 pm)cbma06 wrote yep the 231 Newcastle-Chester-Le-Street-Fence Houses-Houghton-Easington Lane-Peterlee-Hartlepool
and the 735 Newcastle-Chester-Le-Street-Fence Houses-Houghton, both providing a 30 minute service. 735 used to go through Houghton to Seaham but wasn't profitable for Northern, so the Houghton to Seaham had to be secured with a 148 service.

It was a long old haul...

The Marathon Master would be proud of that

To give Northern their due, the 231 missed out Lumley - saving a few miles/mins.
The 735 went through Lumley.

There may have been the odd exception to that over the years like.
The old stops which the 231 called at are still standing - flags and shelters.

edit: Just to clarify - meant the stretch between Castle Dene and Back Lane on Lumley New Road.

(10 Dec 2014, 7:27 pm)Andreos1 wrote To give Northern their due, the 231 missed out Lumley - saving a few miles/mins.
The 735 went through Lumley.

There may have been the odd exception to that over the years like.
The old stops which the 231 called at are still standing - flags and shelters.

edit: Just to clarify - meant the stretch between Castle Dene and Back Lane on Lumley New Road.

Yep the 231 and 778 went passed Lumley and the 735 and 775 went through lumley.

(10 Dec 2014, 7:27 pm)Andreos1 wrote To give Northern their due, the 231 missed out Lumley - saving a few miles/mins.
The 735 went through Lumley.

There may have been the odd exception to that over the years like.
The old stops which the 231 called at are still standing - flags and shelters.

edit: Just to clarify - meant the stretch between Castle Dene and Back Lane on Lumley New Road.

Although it's since been removed, there was, up until a few years ago, a bus-stop located on Ivyway in Pelton near to The Avenue (The estate behind where the Co-op is located for those unfamiliar with the streets of Pelton)

Presumably, some bus served this bus-stop once upon a time.

Does anyone know which service?

I know Ivyway (behind community centre), but have no idea which service or indeed where the stop was.

Due to the narrow road leading out onto the main road next to the Co-op, I am guessing it did some sort of loop around Middlefield.

(10 Dec 2014, 9:38 pm)Andreos1 wrote I know Ivyway (behind community centre), but have no idea which service or indeed where the stop was.

Due to the narrow road leading out onto the main road next to the Co-op, I am guessing it did some sort of loop around Middlefield.

I think it probably came up Ernest Street (where the post-office is now) and used Ivyway to loop back round to the main road. IIRC, the stop was located on the South-side of Ivyway, and I think Ernest Street probably could've accommodated a bus in the past. 

(10 Dec 2014, 9:42 pm)AdamY wrote I think it probably came up Ernest Street (where the post-office is now) and used Ivyway to loop back round to the main road. IIRC, the stop was located on the South-side of Ivyway, and I think Ernest Street probably could've accommodated a bus in the past. 

I have a 1986 County Durham timetable and it shows a service 741 operating 3 times a day (not Sundays) from Chester-le-Street to Pelton (Ivy Way) via Pelton Fell and Station Lane, but no indication of how the bus turned round at Pelton. I think this route finished at the time of deregulation (October 1986).
The departures from Chester were at 0915, 1215 and 1415, departures from Pelton 11 minutes later. No idea if it worked in with any other route though.
Hope that helps,
Chris

We have talked about Station Lane in the past, with the 733 being the only service (we found), that used it.

If it came along that way, it would make sense if it called along Front Street and up the route AdamY suggested.

Personally I would have a few of the old routes reinstalled through Barley Mow, for example 183 or 777

service 741 timetable from 1986 era:

(19 Dec 2014, 4:58 pm)leestransportphotos wrote Personally I would have a few of the old routes reinstalled through Barley Mow, for example 183 or 777

Barley Mow has a decent-ish service with the X25 (outskirts) and the 82/83 and 23 services. There's some similar sized estates that don't get near the levels of service.

It would be nice to see Birtley get a link to Sunderland though

Just saw the queue at Haymarket for the 20:45 309 and there was about 10 - 20 (could be 15-20) waiting for it. GNE should terminate the 58 in Newcastle on a night time (not Sunday daytime), re-route the 310 through Hadrian Park (evenings but not Sunday daytime), and increase both the 309 and 310 to every 30 minutes during all evenings (Monday to Sunday) and they would then run every 15 mins combined between Battle Hill and Newcastle (well 13-17 through Battle Hill)

(19 Dec 2014, 7:04 pm)cbma06 wrote service 741 timetable from 1986 era:

Hylton Terrace? (then Ivy Way, Ernest Street...)

It'd be pretty tight getting a bus up there like. 

What a strange little route.

Apart from Station Road being narrow, the rest of the streets it served aren't exactly known for their wide avenues.

Genuinely thought it would have gone into the council estate at some point.