Reversing the decline in passenger numbers
Reversing the decline in passenger numbers
(15 Nov 2022, 8:25 pm)Unber43 When I was out on Friday I saw that there was several new housing estates being built one at Blackhall Mill, one near Newcastle Business Park (on 12 route), and I just wondered those routes are in GNE territory very minor changes would have to be made to incorporate these into the network, has GNE done any leaflet drops or anything or any surveys to ask where they want to go
(15 Nov 2022, 8:25 pm)Unber43 When I was out on Friday I saw that there was several new housing estates being built one at Blackhall Mill, one near Newcastle Business Park (on 12 route), and I just wondered those routes are in GNE territory very minor changes would have to be made to incorporate these into the network, has GNE done any leaflet drops or anything or any surveys to ask where they want to go
I agree with message behind this article. However, I think only Stagecoach will benefit
in the North East as they've not already taken a hammer to the network.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/cbwmagazine...-bite/amp/
(23 Nov 2022, 5:28 pm)DeltaMan I agree with message behind this article. However, I think only Stagecoach will benefit
in the North East as they've not already taken a hammer to the network.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/cbwmagazine...-bite/amp/
(23 Nov 2022, 5:28 pm)DeltaMan I agree with message behind this article. However, I think only Stagecoach will benefit
in the North East as they've not already taken a hammer to the network.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/cbwmagazine...-bite/amp/
(23 Nov 2022, 6:59 pm)DeltaMan The Megarider is extremely good value. I'm not sure you can say that try about the GNE and Arriva ticketsDayriders are so cheap that Stagecoach don't offer returns (at least in Sunderland but I imagine it's the same for the rest of Busways).
(24 Nov 2022, 7:26 am)F114TML Dayriders are so cheap that Stagecoach don't offer returns (at least in Sunderland but I imagine it's the same for the rest of Busways).
(24 Nov 2022, 7:26 am)F114TML Dayriders are so cheap that Stagecoach don't offer returns (at least in Sunderland but I imagine it's the same for the rest of Busways).
(23 Nov 2022, 6:59 pm)DeltaMan The Megarider is extremely good value. I'm not sure you can say that try about the GNE and Arriva tickets
(24 Nov 2022, 8:10 am)Storx The day riders aren't cheap imo, it's all good comparing to the other 2 but the distance you can travel with them both is much further.
Something like a return from General Hospital to Newcastle (a grand total of 3 miles) is £1.50 a mile - that's not cheap and is what the vast majority of Stagecoach fares are like. (single is £2.40).
It's all good saying, 'well you can travel to Killingworth' but no-one wants to.
(23 Nov 2022, 6:59 pm)DeltaMan The Megarider is extremely good value. I'm not sure you can say that try about the GNE and Arriva tickets
(24 Nov 2022, 8:10 am)Storx The day riders aren't cheap imo, it's all good comparing to the other 2 but the distance you can travel with them both is much further.
Something like a return from General Hospital to Newcastle (a grand total of 3 miles) is £1.50 a mile - that's not cheap and is what the vast majority of Stagecoach fares are like. (single is £2.40).
It's all good saying, 'well you can travel to Killingworth' but no-one wants to.
(24 Nov 2022, 1:57 pm)logidoodah Yes they may not be cheaper vs distance or time on the vehicle. However everywhere SNE operate they have little competition due to having the most stable network in Tyne and Wear and Teeside. You can also get from Throckley to Whitley Bay for a day ticket (although it takes a while, but good for budgeting)
It is also a lot simpler having the same ticketing and prices across all operating areas. Being Singles, Dayrider, Megarider (& + options for cross boundary eXpress services) and U19.
(24 Nov 2022, 1:57 pm)logidoodah Yes they may not be cheaper vs distance or time on the vehicle. However everywhere SNE operate they have little competition due to having the most stable network in Tyne and Wear and Teeside. You can also get from Throckley to Whitley Bay for a day ticket (although it takes a while, but good for budgeting)
It is also a lot simpler having the same ticketing and prices across all operating areas. Being Singles, Dayrider, Megarider (& + options for cross boundary eXpress services) and U19.
Any ideas for USP's a independent could use in order to gain an advantage over the big three.
My example would be to buy an ev with 12, 16 or 20 luxury seats, four wheel steering, panoramic-esque windows, a completely flat floor, NSA, Wi-Fi, charging points etc....
(26 Nov 2022, 11:35 am)ASX_Terranova Any ideas for USP's a independent could use in order to gain an advantage over the big three.
My example would be to buy an ev with 12, 16 or 20 luxury seats, four wheel steering, panoramic-esque windows, a completely flat floor, NSA, Wi-Fi, charging points etc....
(26 Nov 2022, 11:35 am)ASX_Terranova Any ideas for USP's a independent could use in order to gain an advantage over the big three.
My example would be to buy an ev with 12, 16 or 20 luxury seats, four wheel steering, panoramic-esque windows, a completely flat floor, NSA, Wi-Fi, charging points etc....
(26 Nov 2022, 11:35 am)ASX_Terranova Any ideas for USP's a independent could use in order to gain an advantage over the big three.I hate buses with a completely flat floor, I prefer to be higher, I've never seen anyone complain about a bus having steps at the back.
My example would be to buy an ev with 12, 16 or 20 luxury seats, four wheel steering, panoramic-esque windows, a completely flat floor, NSA, Wi-Fi, charging points etc....
(26 Nov 2022, 1:32 pm)Andreos1 Reasonable vfm fares, journey times being attractive, decent reliability and taking passengers to the places they need to be.Should be enough for anyone who needs to take the bus, but not for someone who has a car who may be thinking of getting the bus
Should be enough.
(26 Nov 2022, 11:35 am)ASX_Terranova Any ideas for USP's a independent could use in order to gain an advantage over the big three.I hate buses with a completely flat floor, I prefer to be higher, I've never seen anyone complain about a bus having steps at the back.
My example would be to buy an ev with 12, 16 or 20 luxury seats, four wheel steering, panoramic-esque windows, a completely flat floor, NSA, Wi-Fi, charging points etc....
(26 Nov 2022, 1:32 pm)Andreos1 Reasonable vfm fares, journey times being attractive, decent reliability and taking passengers to the places they need to be.Should be enough for anyone who needs to take the bus, but not for someone who has a car who may be thinking of getting the bus
Should be enough.
(26 Nov 2022, 1:49 pm)Unber43 I hate buses with a completely flat floor, I prefer to be higher, I've never seen anyone complain about a bus having steps at the back.Some of those people would want to do something about having to share a space with other passengers, though. Not everyone appreciates the education regarding the county Durham drug trade to be had at the back of the 16.
Should be enough for anyone who needs to take the bus, but not for someone who has a car who may be thinking of getting the bus
(26 Nov 2022, 1:49 pm)Unber43 I hate buses with a completely flat floor, I prefer to be higher, I've never seen anyone complain about a bus having steps at the back.Some of those people would want to do something about having to share a space with other passengers, though. Not everyone appreciates the education regarding the county Durham drug trade to be had at the back of the 16.
Should be enough for anyone who needs to take the bus, but not for someone who has a car who may be thinking of getting the bus
When I was stuck in Dunston yesterday waiting for a bus to turn up, there was one thing that really surprised me.
As it happened to be 3pm-ish, the stop was full of youths from Kingsmeadow, at least 10+ of them, and guess how many of them checked the GNE app to see when their bus was turning up?
None.
They were all checking the timetable at the stop and complaining how the bus hadn't turned up.
I thought they were supposed to be glued to their phones, and love nothing more than using apps!
(26 Nov 2022, 5:16 pm)BusLoverMum Some of those people would want to do something about having to share a space with other passengers, though. Not everyone appreciates the education regarding the county Durham drug trade to be had at the back of the 16.
(26 Nov 2022, 5:16 pm)BusLoverMum Some of those people would want to do something about having to share a space with other passengers, though. Not everyone appreciates the education regarding the county Durham drug trade to be had at the back of the 16.
(03 Dec 2022, 6:20 pm)streetdeckfan When I was stuck in Dunston yesterday waiting for a bus to turn up, there was one thing that really surprised me.I have to say, a couple missed their stop on my 13, and approached me when I got to Doxford. After explaining that I couldn't take them to where they wanted to be, as I had to go and form an X1, I advised them that there'd be a bus shortly. Did I check the app? No - I didn't even think of it until after I'd left - I got out and looked on the timetable poster and pointed it out. Mercifully my little gamble paid off when I saw a bus going up to the 12/13 terminus as I approached the Morrisons.
As it happened to be 3pm-ish, the stop was full of youths from Kingsmeadow, at least 10+ of them, and guess how many of them checked the GNE app to see when their bus was turning up?
None.
They were all checking the timetable at the stop and complaining how the bus hadn't turned up.
I thought they were supposed to be glued to their phones, and love nothing more than using apps!
(03 Dec 2022, 6:20 pm)streetdeckfan When I was stuck in Dunston yesterday waiting for a bus to turn up, there was one thing that really surprised me.I have to say, a couple missed their stop on my 13, and approached me when I got to Doxford. After explaining that I couldn't take them to where they wanted to be, as I had to go and form an X1, I advised them that there'd be a bus shortly. Did I check the app? No - I didn't even think of it until after I'd left - I got out and looked on the timetable poster and pointed it out. Mercifully my little gamble paid off when I saw a bus going up to the 12/13 terminus as I approached the Morrisons.
As it happened to be 3pm-ish, the stop was full of youths from Kingsmeadow, at least 10+ of them, and guess how many of them checked the GNE app to see when their bus was turning up?
None.
They were all checking the timetable at the stop and complaining how the bus hadn't turned up.
I thought they were supposed to be glued to their phones, and love nothing more than using apps!
(03 Dec 2022, 9:21 pm)F114TML I have to say, a couple missed their stop on my 13, and approached me when I got to Doxford. After explaining that I couldn't take them to where they wanted to be, as I had to go and form an X1, I advised them that there'd be a bus shortly. Did I check the app? No - I didn't even think of it until after I'd left - I got out and looked on the timetable poster and pointed it out. Mercifully my little gamble paid off when I saw a bus going up to the 12/13 terminus as I approached the Morrisons.
(03 Dec 2022, 9:21 pm)F114TML I have to say, a couple missed their stop on my 13, and approached me when I got to Doxford. After explaining that I couldn't take them to where they wanted to be, as I had to go and form an X1, I advised them that there'd be a bus shortly. Did I check the app? No - I didn't even think of it until after I'd left - I got out and looked on the timetable poster and pointed it out. Mercifully my little gamble paid off when I saw a bus going up to the 12/13 terminus as I approached the Morrisons.
(03 Dec 2022, 6:20 pm)streetdeckfan When I was stuck in Dunston yesterday waiting for a bus to turn up, there was one thing that really surprised me.Its a constant thing when I am out aswell people checking timetables, something i've noticed is that young people don't use the app, some do but most don't.
As it happened to be 3pm-ish, the stop was full of youths from Kingsmeadow, at least 10+ of them, and guess how many of them checked the GNE app to see when their bus was turning up?
None.
They were all checking the timetable at the stop and complaining how the bus hadn't turned up.
I thought they were supposed to be glued to their phones, and love nothing more than using apps!
(03 Dec 2022, 6:20 pm)streetdeckfan When I was stuck in Dunston yesterday waiting for a bus to turn up, there was one thing that really surprised me.Its a constant thing when I am out aswell people checking timetables, something i've noticed is that young people don't use the app, some do but most don't.
As it happened to be 3pm-ish, the stop was full of youths from Kingsmeadow, at least 10+ of them, and guess how many of them checked the GNE app to see when their bus was turning up?
None.
They were all checking the timetable at the stop and complaining how the bus hadn't turned up.
I thought they were supposed to be glued to their phones, and love nothing more than using apps!
(03 Dec 2022, 11:14 pm)Unber43 Its a constant thing when I am out aswell people checking timetables, something i've noticed is that young people don't use the app, some do but most don't.
I have seen a massive increase in people tracking buses when I first started using bustimes tracking buses seemed weird now everyone does it, I suppose if people know they're able to track their bus it might persude them to get on, however it can be misleading in tracking especially when they're jumping tracking, with 5-10 min gaps between.
Also bring back how many seats are free massively improved my experience on the bus
(03 Dec 2022, 11:14 pm)Unber43 Its a constant thing when I am out aswell people checking timetables, something i've noticed is that young people don't use the app, some do but most don't.
I have seen a massive increase in people tracking buses when I first started using bustimes tracking buses seemed weird now everyone does it, I suppose if people know they're able to track their bus it might persude them to get on, however it can be misleading in tracking especially when they're jumping tracking, with 5-10 min gaps between.
Also bring back how many seats are free massively improved my experience on the bus
(03 Dec 2022, 11:20 pm)streetdeckfan When I was waiting for an X21 at Eldon Square, I think there was only 2 of us that were tracking the buses. To be fair, it was completely pointless because all it did was get your hopes up, then you'd realise it was turned around at Gateshead!Reliability is a massive issue and its need to be fixed asap, however with all the different bus types/branding there isn't a lot which you can do.
(03 Dec 2022, 11:20 pm)streetdeckfan When I was waiting for an X21 at Eldon Square, I think there was only 2 of us that were tracking the buses. To be fair, it was completely pointless because all it did was get your hopes up, then you'd realise it was turned around at Gateshead!Reliability is a massive issue and its need to be fixed asap, however with all the different bus types/branding there isn't a lot which you can do.