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RE: September 2022 Service Changes - RMF1254 - 05 Sep 2022

(04 Sep 2022, 10:52 pm)P814VTY wrote I'll be amazed if the 41A survives the next chop. For what it carries, it would make a Fiat 500 look too big.
That’s not correct, it does actually carry decent loads at certain times of the day.


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - F114TML - 05 Sep 2022

(04 Sep 2022, 8:25 pm)lloyd647 wrote Does anyone know the pay rates for go north east I know the starting rate is 10.50 but don't know what the top rate of pay is and how long it takes.
From what I've heard from ex-GNE drivers top rate is about 11.50 after 5 years.


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - morritt89 - 05 Sep 2022

Starting pay is currently £10.50 but pay vote this week and it would increase to £11.00. Top rate, if it's voted, in would be achieved in year 2 with a rate of £12.83.


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Aaron21 - 05 Sep 2022

Was the 65 change a good idea


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RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Unber43 - 05 Sep 2022

(05 Sep 2022, 10:43 am)Aaron21 wrote Was the 65 change a good idea
Same with the 6, since that moved to consett reliability has went down the drain due to the driver shortage.

BetterThanEver tho


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Andreos1 - 05 Sep 2022

(05 Sep 2022, 10:43 am)Aaron21 wrote Was the 65 change a good idea

So not only is it the people who don't have a bus to meet their needs or who have abandoned the bus, getting the blame. 
The people using it are getting it too.


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Unber43 - 05 Sep 2022

Also I just realised that the A690 went from 8 buses an hour to 4, they've been halved in frequency with schools going back and colleges, Sunderland & Durham it will be a nightmare.


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Unber43 - 05 Sep 2022

There are currently 2 65 on, One running 47 mins late, one 17 mins late.


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - streetdeckfan - 05 Sep 2022

(05 Sep 2022, 2:10 pm)Unber43 wrote There are currently 2 65 on, One running 47 mins late, one 17 mins late.

Do you have anything better to do than sit on BusTimes? It's frankly boring seeing your constant updates!


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - MurdnunoC - 05 Sep 2022

(05 Sep 2022, 2:22 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Do you have anything better to do than sit on BusTimes? It's frankly boring seeing your constant updates!

It's the sensationalism that annoys me.

A690 CORRIDOR FREQUENCY REDUCED BY HALF! WHAT A DISGRACE! 
8 OUT OF 11 BUSES CANCELLED. SHAMBLES!!!

I mean, he's not wrong, but his reporting is reminiscent of an attention-seeking gammon rag.


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Adrian - 05 Sep 2022

(05 Sep 2022, 10:43 am)Aaron21 wrote Was the 65 change a good idea

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It's more so a stupid and premature tweet to put out. Talk about scoring own goals!

Looking at bustimes now (and in hope Streetdeckfan doesn't have a pop at me too!), I can see that out of the three buses on the map, there's only the one running with any delay (10 minutes) late into Hetton. To get through Durham/Gilesgate/Belmont and only be 10 minutes late is good going in term time & rush hour, no matter whether your bus is every 10 minutes or every hour.

(05 Sep 2022, 2:22 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Do you have anything better to do than sit on BusTimes? It's frankly boring seeing your constant updates!

I mean on the same token, he could ask whether you have better things to do than berate enthusiasts that are using BusTimes?


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - streetdeckfan - 05 Sep 2022

(05 Sep 2022, 3:34 pm)Adrian wrote It's more so a stupid and premature tweet to put out. Talk about scoring own goals!

Looking at bustimes now (and in hope Streetdeckfan doesn't have a pop at me too!), I can see that out of the three buses on the map, there's only the one running with any delay (10 minutes) late into Hetton. To get through Durham/Gilesgate/Belmont and only be 10 minutes late is good going in term time & rush hour, no matter whether your bus is every 10 minutes or every hour.


I mean on the same token, he could ask whether you have better things to do than berate enthusiasts that are using BusTimes?

If 90% of your posts were just regurgitating what we can all see on Bustimes, then maybe I'd have a pop at you. But you're clear for the moment!


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - streetdeckfan - 05 Sep 2022

Is Consett running the peak X21? Apparently there was an E400 running it and I don't believe any transferred to Riverside


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Unber43 - 05 Sep 2022

(05 Sep 2022, 6:08 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Is Consett running the peak X21? Apparently there was an E400 running it and I don't believe any transferred to Riverside
It runs off a 91 which is operated by consett


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Andreos1 - 05 Sep 2022

(05 Sep 2022, 3:45 pm)streetdeckfan wrote If 90% of your posts were just regurgitating what we can all see on Bustimes, then maybe I'd have a pop at you. But you're clear for the moment!

I think we are all guilty of regurgitation.

Anyway, how's that X21 doing?


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - streetdeckfan - 05 Sep 2022

(05 Sep 2022, 6:11 pm)Andreos1 wrote I think we are all guilty of regurgitation.

Anyway, how's that X21 doing?

Good question, I haven't been out on it so I wouldn't know! But from what has been regurgitated things haven't been going well.

And, unlike some others, I don't pretend I've been out just to complain!


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - V514DFT - 06 Sep 2022

(05 Sep 2022, 3:13 pm)MurdnunoC wrote It's the sensationalism that annoys me.

A690 CORRIDOR FREQUENCY REDUCED BY HALF! WHAT A DISGRACE! 
8 OUT OF 11 BUSES CANCELLED. SHAMBLES!!!

I mean, he's not wrong, but his reporting is reminiscent of an attention-seeking gammon rag.
Attention seeking gammon rag,im in tears with laughter


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Dan - 06 Sep 2022

(05 Sep 2022, 3:13 pm)MurdnunoC wrote It's the sensationalism that annoys me.

A690 CORRIDOR FREQUENCY REDUCED BY HALF! WHAT A DISGRACE! 
8 OUT OF 11 BUSES CANCELLED. SHAMBLES!!!

I mean, he's not wrong, but his reporting is reminiscent of an attention-seeking gammon rag.

We import two thirds of our cheese...

THAT. IS. A. DISGRACE.


September 2022 Service Changes - cbma06 - 06 Sep 2022

(06 Sep 2022, 7:38 am)Dan wrote We import two thirds of our cheese...

THAT. IS. A. DISGRACE.


We import everything since the government sold everything off, the conditions of joining the EU was to close down our industrial factories, ship building and close the coal mines and just import everything, since leaving the EU (sort of leaving, due to boris bent over and asked the EU how far do you want to go [emoji23] ) we need to start up industries instead of being a 3rd,4th,5th,6th world country , the EU bleed this country dry to the bones.


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RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Drifter60 - 06 Sep 2022

(05 Sep 2022, 2:22 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Do you have anything better to do than sit on BusTimes? It's frankly boring seeing your constant updates!

Glass houses and stones. Anyhow, While I agree with what you’re saying, it can be tedious, he does have a point on this one. The 65 was heavily delayed before this recent drop in frequency with parts of the route dropped altogether due to late running or buses running up to 20 minutes late etc. So the fact that now people have less buses each hour, 1ph instead of 2ph and it’s still running 20 minutes late - it’s quite frankly a shambles. A gap of 1hr20mins between services? No doubt people will stop using it as its as reliable as a chocolate fireguard, then in a few months time, the ‘there isn’t enough passengers to cover our costs’ line will be trotted out…


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - streetdeckfan - 06 Sep 2022

Thanks to bad management (of my headphones), I had to double back on myself this morning to pick them up meaning I got to ride a new StreetDeck, a B5, and the 6 cylinder StreetDeck back to back to back.
I must say, I'm very impressed with the new StreetDecks on the X21 route, they are really comfortable in comparison to the B5s, they also seem a lot quieter. At the speed limiter they're nowhere near as loud as the older batches, and probably actually a bit nicer than the B5s. It did struggle quite a bit on the bank at Coundon, but once it eventually kicked down it was fine.
I still think the seats are a downgrade though, they don't seem to be as soft as the red/blue leather ones, but they are a bit softer than the blue e-leather of the 16 plates.

As for the 6 cylinder StreetDeck, the suspension doesn't seem to be anywhere as near as nice as on the 4 cylinders, it's a lot more crashy and harsh, especially along the A688 at Binchester. It also seemed to be a bit poorly, with the stop/start system refusing to start back up! Every time it kicked in, the driver would have to fully turn off the bus, wait, and restart it to get it going again. One thing that was great about it was how smooth the engine was, at idle you genuinely couldn't tell upstairs that the engine was still running, and even at the speed limiter it was nice and quiet. Much better than it was last time I was on it (which I think was when it was brand new, so probably not broken in properly). I think the biggest compliment I could give it is that I forgot to even pay attention to what it was like!

Basically, despite now quite liking the B5s, if they were to replace them with the new StreetDecks, I think it would be alright, but I really would prefer if they swapped the old interiors over!


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Andreos1 - 06 Sep 2022

(06 Sep 2022, 3:31 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Thanks to bad management (of my headphones), I had to double back on myself this morning to pick them up meaning I got to ride a new StreetDeck, a B5, and the 6 cylinder StreetDeck back to back to back.
I must say, I'm very impressed with the new StreetDecks on the X21 route, they are really comfortable in comparison to the B5s, they also seem a lot quieter. At the speed limiter they're nowhere near as loud as the older batches, and probably actually a bit nicer than the B5s. It did struggle quite a bit on the bank at Coundon, but once it eventually kicked down it was fine.
I still think the seats are a downgrade though, they don't seem to be as soft as the red/blue leather ones, but they are a bit softer than the blue e-leather of the 16 plates.

As for the 6 cylinder StreetDeck, the suspension doesn't seem to be anywhere as near as nice as on the 4 cylinders, it's a lot more crashy and harsh, especially along the A688 at Binchester. It also seemed to be a bit poorly, with the stop/start system refusing to start back up! Every time it kicked in, the driver would have to fully turn off the bus, wait, and restart it to get it going again. One thing that was great about it was how smooth the engine was, at idle you genuinely couldn't tell upstairs that the engine was still running, and even at the speed limiter it was nice and quiet. Much better than it was last time I was on it (which I think was when it was brand new, so probably not broken in properly). I think the biggest compliment I could give it is that I forgot to even pay attention to what it was like!

Basically, despite now quite liking the B5s, if they were to replace them with the new StreetDecks, I think it would be alright, but I really would prefer if they swapped the old interiors over!

Do you have nothing better to do than talk about the X21 and get the X21?
Frankly, it's getting boring  Wink


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Rob44 - 06 Sep 2022

(06 Sep 2022, 4:29 pm)Andreos1 wrote Do you have nothing better to do than talk about the X21 and get the X21?
Frankly, it's getting boring  Wink
 like Wink


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - streetdeckfan - 06 Sep 2022

(06 Sep 2022, 4:29 pm)Andreos1 wrote Do you have nothing better to do than talk about the X21 and get the X21?
Frankly, it's getting boring  Wink
Sadly I don't!
Frankly, I'm boring

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RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Robbie64 - 06 Sep 2022

The short notice journey notifications page on the GNE website hasn't been updated for a couple of days and a message has now appeared that states "Unfortunately, due to unforeseen technical issues, we’re currently unable to provide an update regarding short notice cancellations. We’re hoping to be back up and running very soon. If your bus hasn’t turned up, we’re very sorry that we couldn’t let you know in advance.". Apparently, the customer service line was also down yesterday though I don't know if it was back up again today. The twitter feed hasn't been updated since yesterday. The last twitter message stated "Unfortunately, we're currently experiencing technical problems and we're unable to respond to messages or answer phone calls. We're very sorry, we'll get back to you as soon as we can."

I'm assuming these technical issues must be serious enough to effectively stop any communication from GNE from happening by any means (other than checking the GNE app for live bus times or even using bustimes). Given how many buses had been cancelled yesterday (Monday) it's going to cause even more problems if people don't even have an indication in advance that a particular service isn't running.

Does anyone know what these technical issues are (someone on twitter posted there was a company wide problem that was affecting all web based services with a suggestion that there may have been a server hack).


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Rob44 - 06 Sep 2022

(06 Sep 2022, 8:41 pm)Robbie64 wrote The short notice journey notifications page on the GNE website hasn't been updated for a couple of days and a message has now appeared that states "Unfortunately, due to unforeseen technical issues, we’re currently unable to provide an update regarding short notice cancellations. We’re hoping to be back up and running very soon. If your bus hasn’t turned up, we’re very sorry that we couldn’t let you know in advance.". Apparently, the customer service line was also down yesterday though I don't know if it was back up again today. The twitter feed hasn't been updated since yesterday. The last twitter message stated "Unfortunately, we're currently experiencing technical problems and we're unable to respond to messages or answer phone calls. We're very sorry, we'll get back to you as soon as we can."

I'm assuming these technical issues must be serious enough to effectively stop any communication from GNE from happening by any means (other than checking the GNE app for live bus times or even using bustimes). Given how many buses had been cancelled yesterday (Monday) it's going to cause even more problems if people don't even have an indication in advance that a particular service isn't running.

Does anyone know what these technical issues are (someone on twitter posted there was a company wide problem that was affecting all web based services with a suggestion that there may have been a server hack).
Cyber attack


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - nova347 - 07 Sep 2022

It looks like the change for the 65 to hourly isn't working that well, large and constant delays, and buses are full. It needs deckers to stay at an hour frequency. There were 2 65's today running constant 20-minute delays. One was 35 mins late. A Joke.


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - DeltaMan - 07 Sep 2022

(07 Sep 2022, 8:01 pm)nova347 wrote It looks like the change for the 65 to hourly isn't working that well, large and constant delays, and buses are full. It needs deckers to stay at an hour frequency. There were 2 65's today running constant 20-minute delays. One was 35 mins late. A Joke.
Depending on how "temporary" the latest changes are, they just interwork it with the 20A and increase the running time of the 65, the problems should be solved!


RE: September 2022 Service Changes - nova347 - 07 Sep 2022

(07 Sep 2022, 8:31 pm)DeltaMan wrote Depending on how "temporary" the latest changes are, they just interwork it with the 20A and increase the running time of the 65, the problems should be solved!
You know what they say. "Nothing more permanent than a temporary solution". If they interwork it with the 20A and increase the running time of the 65, that just creates a boat load of problems.


September 2022 Service Changes - streetdeckfan - 07 Sep 2022

Just cancel it altogether, then it can't be full or run late

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