(29 Sep 2025, 6:46 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote I’m unsure if the 4 are from Slatyford’s or Sunderland’s half but with Slatyford having 10922, 10923, 10924 and 10928 from Ardrossan it could be 4 from Slatyford’s 9.

(01 Oct 2025, 1:00 pm)Arriva7446 wrote Electric buses are so boring, have no character at all, each model sounds the exact same. They are slow and will barely last 10 years without major expensive overhaul. That's why the gas buses and hybrids got retired early due to overhaul costs. They are not economical to buy or overhaul. Imagine how many more diesel buses could be bought for the same amount of cash. With the investment in electric buses you could probably replace every single bus in the North East with a brand new diesel for the same cost as the electrics coming.

As the finances simply don't add up that's why the taxpayer has had to fork out for all these buses as no well run financially competent business would ever touch one.

Passenger experience is worse as the silence when the bus is idle means you have no privacy for any conversations and everyone will hear what you say. There will be no engine noise to drown out squeaks and rattles so these will be more noticeable.

I've ridden plenty of electric buses to make these conclusions. Optare, Wright, ADL +BYD, ADL Integral, Yutong, all of them are soulless. Generally try to avoid them as much as possible but rode Arriva Blyth's Enviro 400EV just for the novelty of riding a bus to Blyth which is not 15 years old, but it's slower than the very worst of their awful 12 plate Pulsars.

In 15 years bus enthusiasm will no longer exist as a hobby due to electric buses. The hobby will be dead. I have no idea why anyone is interested in the latest news of Stagecoach getting so many electric buses, other than to avoid them at all costs of course. Hope Stagecoach Walkergate don't get any as I use the 37 often these days. I know Walkergate had the Enviro 400H which i actually kind of liked as they did have character and still the diesel engine but I know they were unreliable and not well liked. They have been retired early as 11 plates all went in last 2 years whereas still plenty of 58 plate pure diesel around and plenty older elsewhere.  Will be 10X as bad with pure electric.

(01 Oct 2025, 6:25 pm)Storx wrote I respect I'm not really someone who gets excited over vehicles types etc but is it much better than the last 10 year or so?

The Enviro classic and MMC of all sizes are dull as dishwater and that's before going into complete junk like Streetlite's, Streetdecks and whatever rubbish Optare/Switch is pumping out this week. Other than that there's not an awful lot out there other than the Volvo vehicles with the B8TL being decent enough but the B5TL is just as bad as the rest imo.

(01 Oct 2025, 1:00 pm)Arriva7446 wrote Electric buses are so boring, have no character at all, each model sounds the exact same. They are slow and will barely last 10 years without major expensive overhaul. That's why the gas buses and hybrids got retired early due to overhaul costs. They are not economical to buy or overhaul. Imagine how many more diesel buses could be bought for the same amount of cash. With the investment in electric buses you could probably replace every single bus in the North East with a brand new diesel for the same cost as the electrics coming.

As the finances simply don't add up that's why the taxpayer has had to fork out for all these buses as no well run financially competent business would ever touch one.

Passenger experience is worse as the silence when the bus is idle means you have no privacy for any conversations and everyone will hear what you say. There will be no engine noise to drown out squeaks and rattles so these will be more noticeable.

I've ridden plenty of electric buses to make these conclusions. Optare, Wright, ADL +BYD, ADL Integral, Yutong, all of them are soulless. Generally try to avoid them as much as possible but rode Arriva Blyth's Enviro 400EV just for the novelty of riding a bus to Blyth which is not 15 years old, but it's slower than the very worst of their awful 12 plate Pulsars.

In 15 years bus enthusiasm will no longer exist as a hobby due to electric buses. The hobby will be dead. I have no idea why anyone is interested in the latest news of Stagecoach getting so many electric buses, other than to avoid them at all costs of course. Hope Stagecoach Walkergate don't get any as I use the 37 often these days. I know Walkergate had the Enviro 400H which i actually kind of liked as they did have character and still the diesel engine but I know they were unreliable and not well liked. They have been retired early as 11 plates all went in last 2 years whereas still plenty of 58 plate pure diesel around and plenty older elsewhere.  Will be 10X as bad with pure electric.

(01 Oct 2025, 6:47 pm)stagecoachfan wrote Optare/Switch aren't building anything anymore!

(01 Oct 2025, 9:04 pm)Youngymmv wrote Does anyone know what happened with 27242? Has it left the region or Vor?

Many thanks

(01 Oct 2025, 1:00 pm)Arriva7446 wrote Electric buses are so boring, have no character at all, each model sounds the exact same. They are slow and will barely last 10 years without major expensive overhaul. That's why the gas buses and hybrids got retired early due to overhaul costs. They are not economical to buy or overhaul. Imagine how many more diesel buses could be bought for the same amount of cash. With the investment in electric buses you could probably replace every single bus in the North East with a brand new diesel for the same cost as the electrics coming.

As the finances simply don't add up that's why the taxpayer has had to fork out for all these buses as no well run financially competent business would ever touch one.

Passenger experience is worse as the silence when the bus is idle means you have no privacy for any conversations and everyone will hear what you say. There will be no engine noise to drown out squeaks and rattles so these will be more noticeable.

I've ridden plenty of electric buses to make these conclusions. Optare, Wright, ADL +BYD, ADL Integral, Yutong, all of them are soulless. Generally try to avoid them as much as possible but rode Arriva Blyth's Enviro 400EV just for the novelty of riding a bus to Blyth which is not 15 years old, but it's slower than the very worst of their awful 12 plate Pulsars.

In 15 years bus enthusiasm will no longer exist as a hobby due to electric buses. The hobby will be dead. I have no idea why anyone is interested in the latest news of Stagecoach getting so many electric buses, other than to avoid them at all costs of course. Hope Stagecoach Walkergate don't get any as I use the 37 often these days. I know Walkergate had the Enviro 400H which i actually kind of liked as they did have character and still the diesel engine but I know they were unreliable and not well liked. They have been retired early as 11 plates all went in last 2 years whereas still plenty of 58 plate pure diesel around and plenty older elsewhere.  Will be 10X as bad with pure electric.

(01 Oct 2025, 1:00 pm)Arriva7446 wrote Electric buses are so boring, have no character at all, each model sounds the exact same. They are slow and will barely last 10 years without major expensive overhaul. That's why the gas buses and hybrids got retired early due to overhaul costs. They are not economical to buy or overhaul. Imagine how many more diesel buses could be bought for the same amount of cash. With the investment in electric buses you could probably replace every single bus in the North East with a brand new diesel for the same cost as the electrics coming.

As the finances simply don't add up that's why the taxpayer has had to fork out for all these buses as no well run financially competent business would ever touch one.

Passenger experience is worse as the silence when the bus is idle means you have no privacy for any conversations and everyone will hear what you say. There will be no engine noise to drown out squeaks and rattles so these will be more noticeable.

I've ridden plenty of electric buses to make these conclusions. Optare, Wright, ADL +BYD, ADL Integral, Yutong, all of them are soulless. Generally try to avoid them as much as possible but rode Arriva Blyth's Enviro 400EV just for the novelty of riding a bus to Blyth which is not 15 years old, but it's slower than the very worst of their awful 12 plate Pulsars.

In 15 years bus enthusiasm will no longer exist as a hobby due to electric buses. The hobby will be dead. I have no idea why anyone is interested in the latest news of Stagecoach getting so many electric buses, other than to avoid them at all costs of course. Hope Stagecoach Walkergate don't get any as I use the 37 often these days. I know Walkergate had the Enviro 400H which i actually kind of liked as they did have character and still the diesel engine but I know they were unreliable and not well liked. They have been retired early as 11 plates all went in last 2 years whereas still plenty of 58 plate pure diesel around and plenty older elsewhere.  Will be 10X as bad with pure electric.

(01 Oct 2025, 1:00 pm)Arriva7446 wrote Electric buses are so boring, have no character at all, each model sounds the exact same. They are slow and will barely last 10 years without major expensive overhaul. That's why the gas buses and hybrids got retired early due to overhaul costs. They are not economical to buy or overhaul. Imagine how many more diesel buses could be bought for the same amount of cash. With the investment in electric buses you could probably replace every single bus in the North East with a brand new diesel for the same cost as the electrics coming.

As the finances simply don't add up that's why the taxpayer has had to fork out for all these buses as no well run financially competent business would ever touch one.

Passenger experience is worse as the silence when the bus is idle means you have no privacy for any conversations and everyone will hear what you say. There will be no engine noise to drown out squeaks and rattles so these will be more noticeable.

I've ridden plenty of electric buses to make these conclusions. Optare, Wright, ADL +BYD, ADL Integral, Yutong, all of them are soulless. Generally try to avoid them as much as possible but rode Arriva Blyth's Enviro 400EV just for the novelty of riding a bus to Blyth which is not 15 years old, but it's slower than the very worst of their awful 12 plate Pulsars.

In 15 years bus enthusiasm will no longer exist as a hobby due to electric buses. The hobby will be dead. I have no idea why anyone is interested in the latest news of Stagecoach getting so many electric buses, other than to avoid them at all costs of course. Hope Stagecoach Walkergate don't get any as I use the 37 often these days. I know Walkergate had the Enviro 400H which i actually kind of liked as they did have character and still the diesel engine but I know they were unreliable and not well liked. They have been retired early as 11 plates all went in last 2 years whereas still plenty of 58 plate pure diesel around and plenty older elsewhere.  Will be 10X as bad with pure electric.

(02 Oct 2025, 11:20 am)Glen1974 wrote When is U11dd double decker getting delivered to stockton depot i know park up buses and coach.

(01 Oct 2025, 1:00 pm)Arriva7446 wrote Electric buses are so boring, have no character at all, each model sounds the exact same. They are slow and will barely last 10 years without major expensive overhaul. That's why the gas buses and hybrids got retired early due to overhaul costs. They are not economical to buy or overhaul. Imagine how many more diesel buses could be bought for the same amount of cash. With the investment in electric buses you could probably replace every single bus in the North East with a brand new diesel for the same cost as the electrics coming.

As the finances simply don't add up that's why the taxpayer has had to fork out for all these buses as no well run financially competent business would ever touch one.

Passenger experience is worse as the silence when the bus is idle means you have no privacy for any conversations and everyone will hear what you say. There will be no engine noise to drown out squeaks and rattles so these will be more noticeable.

I've ridden plenty of electric buses to make these conclusions. Optare, Wright, ADL +BYD, ADL Integral, Yutong, all of them are soulless. Generally try to avoid them as much as possible but rode Arriva Blyth's Enviro 400EV just for the novelty of riding a bus to Blyth which is not 15 years old, but it's slower than the very worst of their awful 12 plate Pulsars.

In 15 years bus enthusiasm will no longer exist as a hobby due to electric buses. The hobby will be dead. I have no idea why anyone is interested in the latest news of Stagecoach getting so many electric buses, other than to avoid them at all costs of course. Hope Stagecoach Walkergate don't get any as I use the 37 often these days. I know Walkergate had the Enviro 400H which i actually kind of liked as they did have character and still the diesel engine but I know they were unreliable and not well liked. They have been retired early as 11 plates all went in last 2 years whereas still plenty of 58 plate pure diesel around and plenty older elsewhere.  Will be 10X as bad with pure electric.

(02 Oct 2025, 7:54 am)bob22222 wrote sunderland seem to have 10631 now

(01 Oct 2025, 10:27 am)ReDemPTiion wrote Makes sense. I’ve just gone along to Slatyford depot, there’s one new one on the back yard unsure which one but means either 73182 or 73190 have gone somewhere else then. 

73176 is still being used for training so won’t be going back to Stockton yet.

(03 Oct 2025, 11:06 am)stagecoachfan wrote 182 is outside and 190 inside, both at Slatyford

(03 Oct 2025, 4:34 pm)Glen1974 wrote Yutongs 73053,6 post be leave stockton want replace them or stay at stockton depot.

(03 Oct 2025, 5:42 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote With Hartlepools 37311 getting a new engine, could it be a Euro 6 engine and sent to Slatyford? I’m wonder if that’s the case could the same happen with 37309 and 37310 and Slatyford’s 364**’s go to Hartlepool?

Any one know where 37309 is hasn’t been seen since the 12th September?

(03 Oct 2025, 5:42 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote With Hartlepools 37311 getting a new engine, could it be a Euro 6 engine and sent to Slatyford? I’m wonder if that’s the case could the same happen with 37309 and 37310 and Slatyford’s 364**’s go to Hartlepool?

Any one know where 37309 is hasn’t been seen since the 12th September?

(03 Oct 2025, 5:42 pm)ReDemPTiion wrote With Hartlepools 37311 getting a new engine, could it be a Euro 6 engine and sent to Slatyford? I’m wonder if that’s the case could the same happen with 37309 and 37310 and Slatyford’s 364**’s go to Hartlepool?

Any one know where 37309 is hasn’t been seen since the 12th September?

(03 Oct 2025, 7:13 pm)Michael wrote Looks like Sunderland have been giving 73184 now, so Sunderland now have 184-189.

Yet, can't seem to have a full allocation of Yutongs on the 16 again..............

(03 Oct 2025, 7:49 pm)F114TML wrote The 16s officially are now a mix of Yutongs and diesels, according to the fleetlist.