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RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - streetdeckfan - 07 Sep 2019 (07 Sep 2019, 7:28 am)Rob44 wroteI get that you also have to take into account the convenience factor. However I was just going off the point that she made about the bus being more expensive than the car. On the surface it may be, but once you start looking at the whole picture it might not necessarily be. My mother for instance could save a lot of money travelling by bus, but she finishes work at 2am so it's impossible for her to use public transport. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Andreos1 - 07 Sep 2019 (06 Sep 2019, 5:59 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Appreciate we are going off topic slightly, but isn't time - money too? Depending where she lives in Wallsend (regardless of the start times she could have), we are talking 2 or 3 buses and potentially a metro. (06 Sep 2019, 6:31 pm)Arcticrossy92 wrote I was chatting with Mrs Constantopolous a few weeks back about using the river more. Without trying to fall in to the trap of bringing London in to the equation, the river is used quite well down there. A network of river boats travelling between key points surely will have some impact? (06 Sep 2019, 9:28 pm)Storx wrote I get the point you're making about the traffic jams and agree that something needs doing in those areas. However the council themselves state that within the city centre, there are 4 areas that fall foul of emissions targets and that is where they have installed facilities to monitor emissions.
More than happy for someone to point out if I'm in the wrong, but aren't each of those locations key sections of our bus network? I'm not saying buses are the root of the problem, but if cars arent the dominant mode of transport in the majority of those areas, then why should car drivers be penalised elsewhere - such as the Tyne Bridge? RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Chris 1 - 10 Sep 2019 (06 Sep 2019, 5:59 pm)streetdeckfan wrote I would look at it the opposite way. Yes, your fuel is a variable cost. But the more you use your car, the more your sunk cost is recovered. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Andreos1 - 08 Apr 2020 Hearing that the CAZ scheme has been postponed by Defra. All schemes have been delayed until next year at the earliest - even the ones due to start this year, such as Leeds and Birmingham. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - BusLoverMum - 08 Apr 2020 (08 Apr 2020, 1:33 pm)Andreos1 wrote Hearing that the CAZ scheme has been postponed by Defra.Makes sense. The problem's probably temporarily resolved with the lack of traffic, anyhow. I know that Framwellgate Peth, which is usually one of the most polluted streets in the NE, has never smelled so sweet. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - citaro5284 - 09 Apr 2020 Major doubts over Newcastle Clean Air Zone as leaders warn cash offer falls 'significantly' short https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/newcastle-clean-air-funding-doubts-18064280 RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - idiot - 25 Jun 2020 Cycled across Tyne Bridge today to Gosforth. Cycle infrastructure is great now! Only slight thing is sensors could do with some improvement on cycle lights. Newcastle City Centre Developments - TEN 6083 - 30 Jul 2020 https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/stoneyhurst-bridge-closure-traffic-gosforth-18681528 Warning of ‘absolute chaos’ on roads amid battle over plans to shut Newcastle rat run bridges Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Ne14ne1 - ne14ne1 - 30 Jul 2020 (30 Jul 2020, 7:19 pm)TEN 6083 wrote https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/stoneyhurst-bridge-closure-traffic-gosforth-18681528 ‘Absolute chaos’ = slight inconvenience for some, but beneficial for many. Anyway, these plans don’t affect buses though as far as I can tell. Unless I’m missing something, TEN6083? Newcastle City Centre Developments - TEN 6083 - 30 Jul 2020 (30 Jul 2020, 7:47 pm)ne14ne1 wrote ‘Absolute chaos’ = slight inconvenience for some, but beneficial for many. Not familiar with that area so wasn’t sure if buses use it Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Storx - 30 Jul 2020 (30 Jul 2020, 7:19 pm)TEN 6083 wrote https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/stoneyhurst-bridge-closure-traffic-gosforth-18681528 This is blatently so they don't have to maintain them as much to save money. It's no-coincidence that it's all bridges. Haldane and Stoneyhurst aren't rat runs and there's no houses anywhere near Argyle Street and Castle Road Farm so it's nonsense blaming residents. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - MetrolineGA1511 - 10 Jan 2021 Have there been any updates recently on when the Newcastle Clean Air Zone could be introduced? Newcastle City Centre Developments - Dan - 10 Jan 2021 (10 Jan 2021, 11:43 am)Metroline1511 wrote Have there been any updates recently on when the Newcastle Clean Air Zone could be introduced? No, still postponed for the foreseeable future. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - streetdeckfan - 10 Jan 2021 (10 Jan 2021, 11:57 am)Dan wrote No, still postponed for the foreseeable future. Hopefully with the evidence that buses aren't the problem, and the fact without all the cars the air was suddenly very clean, they may reconsider charging buses and not cars... Yeah, that won't happen! RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Rob44 - 10 Jan 2021 but they are only charging the really polluting buses aren't they? You want to charge all cars even fully electric or part electric ones? RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - streetdeckfan - 10 Jan 2021 (10 Jan 2021, 2:37 pm)Rob44 wrote but they are only charging the really polluting buses aren't they? You want to charge all cars even fully electric or part electric ones? I wouldn't say Euro 5 buses are 'really polluting', especially per passenger, yet they're going to be charged to enter. I'd apply exactly the same criteria to cars as they are to buses. With the current proposals, 50 people could drive into Newcastle in 25 year old diesel and they aren't bothered, but if those same 50 people get on an 8 year old Euro 5 bus suddenly the world is ending and they need to pay £50 to enter. Just doesn't make any sense to me! RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - MetrolineGA1511 - 10 Jan 2021 (10 Jan 2021, 11:57 am)Dan wrote No, still postponed for the foreseeable future. Thank you for letting me know. If it's unlikely to be taking place before late summer I would probably come before then. I want to time my visit carefully to avoid any blockade on the Metro and not to narrowly miss out any changes resulting from the CAZ. Unlikely before May at the earliest. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Storx - 10 Jan 2021 (10 Jan 2021, 3:29 pm)streetdeckfan wrote I wouldn't say Euro 5 buses are 'really polluting', especially per passenger, yet they're going to be charged to enter. You need to build a suitable bypass around Newcastle before you can do stuff like that. It's all good charging people, 'going into Newcastle'. The problem is they aren't. They're doing journeys such as Byker to Team Valley or Felling to Killingworth. Without something built like the Friars Goose Crossing, there's no alternative for these people and the charges would be unfair. You just need to travel along the Coast Road or Central Motorway now there is still a fair chuck of traffic yet Newcastle is a ghost town. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - streetdeckfan - 10 Jan 2021 (10 Jan 2021, 5:38 pm)Storx wrote You need to build a suitable bypass around Newcastle before you can do stuff like that. It's all good charging people, 'going into Newcastle'. The problem is they aren't. They're doing journeys such as Byker to Team Valley or Felling to Killingworth. Without something built like the Friars Goose Crossing, there's no alternative for these people and the charges would be unfair. You just need to travel along the Coast Road or Central Motorway now there is still a fair chuck of traffic yet Newcastle is a ghost town. But equally charging buses that aren't Euro 6 to enter Newcastle isn't going to do anything either! If the problem is the sheer volume of people travelling through, then they need to solve that RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Storx - 10 Jan 2021 (10 Jan 2021, 5:47 pm)streetdeckfan wrote But equally charging buses that aren't Euro 6 to enter Newcastle isn't going to do anything either! Yeah agreed really but then again is there much left that isn't Euro 6 now anyway. Believe pretty much everything at GNE and Arriva is done now bar a the odd route or 2. Not a clue with Stagecoach though. If it's the kick up the arse to do something for the bus companies I'm not complaining it's better for everyone. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Rob44 - 16 Jan 2021 just seen on FB the worsick streets old bus station has eventually come down. Anyone know what's going up in its place or has it just ben taken down for some other reason like safty? RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Andreos1 - 16 Jan 2021 (16 Jan 2021, 12:12 pm)Rob44 wrote just seen on FB the worsick streets old bus station has eventually come down. Anyone know what's going up in its place or has it just ben taken down for some other reason like safty? A shame it's gone and a shame it stood empty for so long. I didn't use it much pre-86, as like most, I made the switch to the Metro with the bus feeding in to the metro at Gateshead. Post-86 and the extension of buses over the river, meant I used it more often. There was always something about it that I liked. Whether it was the danger aspect, the fact H&S had obviously missed it when doing their rounds or something else. The left hand turn in off Market Street, the dip in the road as it entered Worswick Street and the ramp up in to the bus station... Then straight out and back over the bridge and no faffing about with traffic lights across the town. The time and resource saved compared to now and the 15mins in/15mins out it takes must be massive. A shame. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Andreos1 - 03 Nov 2021 https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/free-alive-after-five-car-22033508 An interesting one. Whilst I agree with the idea in principle, in reality it's going to have a negative effect on the city. Relying on public transport to get home at the end of the night - that doesn't exist for a huge part of the region or is slow, awkward, cumbersome, involves changes and doesn't allow for much shopping bag space - isn't going to be attractive to the majority of those people who choose to drive/park in the city centre on an evening. Forcing people out of their cars isn't the way forward imo. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Storx - 03 Nov 2021 (03 Nov 2021, 10:27 am)Andreos1 wrote https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/free-alive-after-five-car-22033508 It's a terrible idea. The council are naive to believe people will change to public transport. All that'll happen is people will go to the Metro Centre, Morpeth, Silverlink, Boldon, Cramlington and so on instead where there's still free parking. They seem to forget that cars don't have to go into Newcastle and people driving in are very unlikely drinking anyway so the options are all over the place. There's plenty of nice restaurants and entertainment ie. cinemas throughout the region without touching Newcastle (most which are cheaper anyway). RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Andreos1 - 03 Nov 2021 (03 Nov 2021, 10:32 am)Storx wrote It's a terrible idea. The council are naive to believe people will change to public transport. All that'll happen is people will go to the Metro Centre, Morpeth, Silverlink, Boldon, Cramlington and so on instead where there's still free parking. They seem to forget that cars don't have to go into Newcastle and people driving in are very unlikely drinking anyway so the options are all over the place. There's plenty of nice restaurants and entertainment ie. cinemas throughout the region without touching Newcastle (most which are cheaper anyway). Assuming those people parking after 5 are actually leisure customers and not people working in the night time economy. It almost defeats the point of a low waged worker, going to work. Bearing in mind a chunk of their hourly wage will be spent on parking now. Then there's this: https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2021-11-03/newcastles-weak-public-transport-costs-economy-17bn-a-year-says-report?utm_source=NewsApp&utm_medium=SocialShare 'weak public transport costing economy'. Yet they're wanting to get rid of free parking There's also a quote from a bloke who lives in Crawcrook and relies on lifts to get to work 7 miles down the road. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Storx - 03 Nov 2021 (03 Nov 2021, 8:19 pm)Andreos1 wrote Assuming those people parking after 5 are actually leisure customers and not people working in the night time economy. Yeah that's fair point but don't they all shut at 10pm/11pm so wouldn't be much use for people working late anyway. Think only Grainger Town is open 24/7 (or it used to be, that might have changed aswell now). I think it's counter productive it was proven that the free parking improved the economy massively now all of the sudden removing it is going to improve the economy aswell. Something doesn't add up. Can't argue about the poor public transport though tbh. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - ne14ne1 - 04 Nov 2021 If the city has been told it needs to address it’s illegal levels of pollution as quickly as possible, and therefore encourage sustainable travel options, it would be ridiculous to meanwhile continue offer free parking which acts as a magnet drawing cars into the city centre. Metro offering free parking at their Park & Ride sites is a good move to help regain patronage. Many people can’t afford cars and Newcastle has a lower than average car ownership. It’s rather unfair free parking has been offered for so long but not free (or at least cheaper) public transport. https://twitter.com/newcastlecc/status/1456202316609200134?s=21 RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Andreos1 - 04 Nov 2021 (04 Nov 2021, 1:26 pm)ne14ne1 wrote If the city has been told it needs to address it’s illegal levels of pollution as quickly as possible, and therefore encourage sustainable travel options, it would be ridiculous to meanwhile continue offer free parking which acts as a magnet drawing cars into the city centre. I agree with all of the points you have made - but it doesn't alter the fact that we have public transport system which doesn't offer a viable alternative to parking the car for quite a large portion of the population. Until there is some sort of joined up thinking, network development and whatever else - people are going to go where it is free (pollution problem solved for NCC) or continue parking in the city centre (pollution problem not solved but revenues are huge). RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - 54APhotography - 04 Nov 2021 (04 Nov 2021, 6:41 pm)Andreos1 wrote I agree with all of the points you have made - but it doesn't alter the fact that we have public transport system which doesn't offer a viable alternative to parking the car for quite a large portion of the population.Joined up thinking is something that is impossible in transport. Even individual bus companies cant timetable busses to connect . RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Andreos1 - 04 Nov 2021 (04 Nov 2021, 6:47 pm)54APhotography wrote Joined up thinking is something that is impossible in transport. Even individual bus companies cant timetable busses to connect . I don't think it's impossible. Granted that's often in short supply within operators, but I reckon thet could muster up some joined up thinking if they really wanted to. |