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RE: Arriva North East: Order Predictions - streetdeckfan - 15 Aug 2019
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(15 Aug 2019, 9:22 pm)Andreos1 wrote </p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>Exactly that. </p><p>If the seats are the same, but the overall width is smaller - then by virtue, that gangway is going to appear narrower and you're gonna get that bag whacking in to you.</p><p><br></p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>Having said that, I've also noticed the walls on the Streetlite are also a lot thicker than the walls on the Pulsar so you get even less space!</p>
RE: Arriva North East: Order Predictions - V514DFT - 15 Aug 2019
Anyone know what the fleet numbers will be for the new buses arriving at Jesmond
RE: Arriva North East: Order Predictions - S830OFT - 16 Aug 2019
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(15 Aug 2019, 10:56 pm)V514DFT wrote Anyone know what the fleet numbers will be for the new buses arriving at Jesmond
</p><p>I would imagine if they are minibuses then they'll be from 2872 +, or if they are StreetLites I would presume they'd be 1615 +...</p>
RE: Arriva North East: Order Predictions - V514DFT - 16 Aug 2019
Cool thanks mate
RE: Arriva North East: Order Predictions - BusLoverMum - 16 Aug 2019
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(15 Aug 2019, 7:42 pm)deanmachine wrote </p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>Yep, Streetlites are definitely narrower, makes them great for driving through congestion though, you can squeeze them through anywhere.</p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>Just looked it up and 5.5 cm narrower than the pulsar. There's a couple of points on the X4 route where that's a bonus. Did that full journey in a temsa, which is 11cm wider than a streetlite, a couple of weeks ago and it was a tight squeeze! </p>
RE: Arriva North East: Order Predictions - JM03 - 17 Aug 2019
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(16 Aug 2019, 1:13 am)S830OFT wrote </p><p>
</p><p>I would imagine if they are minibuses then they'll be from 2872 +, or if they are StreetLites I would presume they'd be 1615 +...</p><p>
</p><p>Thought it was mentioned before it was E400s arriving at Jesmond</p>
RE: Arriva North East: Order Predictions - S830OFT - 17 Aug 2019
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(17 Aug 2019, 3:28 am)JM03 wrote </p><p>
</p><p>Thought it was mentioned before it was E400s arriving at Jesmond</p><p>
</p><p>No, it's new buses for services 47 & 553...</p>
RE: Arriva North East: Order Predictions - S830OFT - 18 Aug 2019
Some order predictions and cascades for Arriva North East South of Newcastle...
Cascades:
4x Optare Solo SRs - Whitby (3050 - 3053 from Selby)
The allocaton change to Optare Solo SRs will assist improve reliability, and ensure that service 95 can have a full midibus allocaton to ensure vehicle loans and service cancellations remain at a minimum.
2828 will transfer to Redcar in a spare role position, and act as an additional for Whitby should they be short. The transfer of this will allow 1759 to finally be withdrawn.
2862/2870/2871 will transfer to Arriva Northumbria allowing the withdrawl of some of their MPDs.
6x 2008 ADL Enviro 400s - Belmont
The confirmed transfer of these will allow for some journeys on service X46 to be upgraded, and allow the 2005 Volvo B7TL to transfer elsewhere in the region.
7416 - 7421 will transfer to Jesmond, this allow the withdrawl of 7410/7412 - 7415/7488.
7422/7423*/7427* will remain at Belmont as spares for service X46, aswell as forming part of the allocaton for MAX X12.
*Will swap with 7445/7446 from Ashington.
Order Predictions:
8x New ADL Enviro 400MMCs - Whitby for MAX X93 & Whitby Park and Ride.
7401 - 7406 will transfer to Darlington for MAX services X66/X67, ensuring some journeys operate with more capacity, and are allocated with more reliable buses. Stockton will continue to allocate 1404/1405.
7609/7610 will transfer back to Blyth, this will allow the withdrawl of 7485/7487.
9x New Optare MetroCity's - Belmont for Frequenta 64.
1320 - 1328 will transfer to Stockton for use on local services, this will allow for 9x Wright Pulsar 2s to go for refurbishment, prior to transferring to Darlington for MAX services X21/X26/X27.
1420 - 1428 will transfer to Darlington via Refurbishment, and will replace more Scania CN94UBs, and ex Demonstrator Gas Buses (4643 - 4648/4812 - 4814).
Service X21 will be relaunched to "MAX" to ensure all vehicles operate to the same standard, and offer all advertised features.
The Scania CN94UBs will be reallocated across the region, this will allow for older or less reliable vehicles to be replaced. The ex Demonstrator Gas Buses will be withdrawn from service at Arriva, as their unreliability have restricted them to local services only.
4643 - 4646 will transfer to Blyth, this will allow the immediate withdrawl of 1401 - 1403/7411.
4647/4648 will transfer to Ashington, this will allow for 7484/7486 to be withdrawn.
4649/4650 will also transfer to Ashington, this will allow 1579/1580 to transfer to Jesmond allowing the withdrawl of 7490/7491.
7445/7446 will transfer to Belmont in exchange for 7423/7427, this will allow service 35 to be upgraded to MAX standard.
4651 will remain as spare for services X75/X76, although will also act as an appropriate spare for all other MAX services aswell.
4655 - 4657 will transfer to Redcar for service 81, although will return to Darlington for summer season X93s, in exchange for 3x Volvo B9TLs. As a result of this transfer 7424 - 7426 will transfer to Jesmond allowing the withdrawl of 7492 - 7494. During the summer periods service 81 will revert back to being allocated Temsa Avenues.
Arriva North East: Order Predictions - cbma06 - 18 Aug 2019
(18 Aug 2019, 7:12 pm)S830OFT wrote Some order predictions and cascades for Arriva North East South of Newcastle...
Cascades:
4x Optare Solo SRs - Whitby (3050 - 3053 from Selby)
The allocaton change to Optare Solo SRs will assist improve reliability, and ensure that service 95 can have a full midibus allocaton to ensure vehicle loans and service cancellations remain at a minimum.
2828 will transfer to Redcar in a spare role position, and act as an additional for Whitby should they be short. The transfer of this will allow 1759 to finally be withdrawn.
2862/2870/2871 will transfer to Arriva Northumbria allowing the withdrawl of some of their MPDs.
6x 2008 ADL Enviro 400s - Belmont
The confirmed transfer of these will allow for some journeys on service X46 to be upgraded, and allow the 2005 Volvo B7TL to transfer elsewhere in the region.
7416 - 7421 will transfer to Jesmond, this allow the withdrawl of 7410/7412 - 7415/7488.
7422/7423*/7427* will remain at Belmont as spares for service X46, aswell as forming part of the allocaton for MAX X12.
*Will swap with 7445/7446 from Ashington.
Order Predictions:
8x New ADL Enviro 400MMCs - Whitby for MAX X93 & Whitby Park and Ride.
7401 - 7406 will transfer to Darlington for MAX services X66/X67, ensuring some journeys operate with more capacity, and are allocated with more reliable buses. Stockton will continue to allocate 1404/1405.
7609/7610 will transfer back to Blyth, this will allow the withdrawl of 7485/7487.
9x New Optare MetroCity's - Belmont for Frequenta 64.
1320 - 1328 will transfer to Stockton for use on local services, this will allow for 9x Wright Pulsar 2s to go for refurbishment, prior to transferring to Darlington for MAX services X21/X26/X27.
1420 - 1428 will transfer to Darlington via Refurbishment, and will replace more Scania CN94UBs, and ex Demonstrator Gas Buses (4643 - 4648/4812 - 4814).
Service X21 will be relaunched to "MAX" to ensure all vehicles operate to the same standard, and offer all advertised features.
The Scania CN94UBs will be reallocated across the region, this will allow for older or less reliable vehicles to be replaced. The ex Demonstrator Gas Buses will be withdrawn from service at Arriva, as their unreliability have restricted them to local services only.
4643 - 4646 will transfer to Blyth, this will allow the immediate withdrawl of 1401 - 1403/7411.
4647/4648 will transfer to Ashington, this will allow for 7484/7486 to be withdrawn.
4649/4650 will also transfer to Ashington, this will allow 1579/1580 to transfer to Jesmond allowing the withdrawl of 7490/7491.
7445/7446 will transfer to Belmont in exchange for 7423/7427, this will allow service 35 to be upgraded to MAX standard.
4651 will remain as spare for services X75/X76, although will also act as an appropriate spare for all other MAX services aswell.
4655 - 4657 will transfer to Redcar for service 81, although will return to Darlington for summer season X93s, in exchange for 3x Volvo B9TLs. As a result of this transfer 7424 - 7426 will transfer to Jesmond allowing the withdrawl of 7492 - 7494. During the summer periods service 81 will revert back to being allocated Temsa Avenues.
I thought that the MAX brand is defunct now?
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RE: Arriva North East: Order Predictions - Storx - 18 Aug 2019
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(18 Aug 2019, 7:12 pm)S830OFT wrote Some order predictions and cascades for Arriva North East South of Newcastle...<br></p><p><br></p><p>
Cascades:
4x Optare Solo SRs - Whitby (3050 - 3053 from Selby)
The allocaton change to Optare Solo SRs will assist improve reliability, and ensure that service 95 can have a full midibus allocaton to ensure vehicle loans and service cancellations remain at a minimum.
2828 will transfer to Redcar in a spare role position, and act as an additional for Whitby should they be short. The transfer of this will allow 1759 to finally be withdrawn.
2862/2870/2871 will transfer to Arriva Northumbria allowing the withdrawl of some of their MPDs.
6x 2008 ADL Enviro 400s - Belmont
The confirmed transfer of these will allow for some journeys on service X46 to be upgraded, and allow the 2005 Volvo B7TL to transfer elsewhere in the region.
7416 - 7421 will transfer to Jesmond, this allow the withdrawl of 7410/7412 - 7415/7488.
7422/7423*/7427* will remain at Belmont as spares for service X46, aswell as forming part of the allocaton for MAX X12.
*Will swap with 7445/7446 from Ashington.
Order Predictions:
8x New ADL Enviro 400MMCs - Whitby for MAX X93 & Whitby Park and Ride.
7401 - 7406 will transfer to Darlington for MAX services X66/X67, ensuring some journeys operate with more capacity, and are allocated with more reliable buses. Stockton will continue to allocate 1404/1405.
7609/7610 will transfer back to Blyth, this will allow the withdrawl of 7485/7487.
9x New Optare MetroCity's - Belmont for Frequenta 64.
1320 - 1328 will transfer to Stockton for use on local services, this will allow for 9x Wright Pulsar 2s to go for refurbishment, prior to transferring to Darlington for MAX services X21/X26/X27.
1420 - 1428 will transfer to Darlington via Refurbishment, and will replace more Scania CN94UBs, and ex Demonstrator Gas Buses (4643 - 4648/4812 - 4814).
Service X21 will be relaunched to "MAX" to ensure all vehicles operate to the same standard, and offer all advertised features.
The Scania CN94UBs will be reallocated across the region, this will allow for older or less reliable vehicles to be replaced. The ex Demonstrator Gas Buses will be withdrawn from service at Arriva, as their unreliability have restricted them to local services only.
4643 - 4646 will transfer to Blyth, this will allow the immediate withdrawl of 1401 - 1403/7411.
4647/4648 will transfer to Ashington, this will allow for 7484/7486 to be withdrawn.
4649/4650 will also transfer to Ashington, this will allow 1579/1580 to transfer to Jesmond allowing the withdrawl of 7490/7491.
7445/7446 will transfer to Belmont in exchange for 7423/7427, this will allow service 35 to be upgraded to MAX standard.
4651 will remain as spare for services X75/X76, although will also act as an appropriate spare for all other MAX services aswell.
4655 - 4657 will transfer to Redcar for service 81, although will return to Darlington for summer season X93s, in exchange for 3x Volvo B9TLs. As a result of this transfer 7424 - 7426 will transfer to Jesmond allowing the withdrawl of 7492 - 7494. During the summer periods service 81 will revert back to being allocated Temsa Avenues.
<!--StartFragment--><p>Surely a better place for the Optare Solo SR's if they ever came up
here would be Ashington for the 57/A which has a PVR of 4 to then
withdraw 1800/1 and send the 2 solos to Blyth to withdraw 2 MPD's from
there. Then with the rumoured new buses for Jesmond which will see off
some solos there send them also to Blyth to see the end of the MPD's
altogether.</p><p><br></p><p>Ashington badly need something better as the Streetlites / Deckers are on the 57 almost daily lately.</p><!--EndFragment--> </p><p>Also replacing Deckers for Scanias at Ashington and replacing the commanders with them at the same time is pointless. Causing microfleets for no reason at all with little benefit (reduced capacity / only 1.5 year age difference).<br></p>
RE: Arriva North East: Order Predictions - Kuyoyo - 19 Aug 2019
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(18 Aug 2019, 7:12 pm)S830OFT wrote Some order predictions and cascades for Arriva North East South of Newcastle... </p><p><br></p><p>Let's break these down shall we:</p><p><br></p><p>Solo SRs from Yorkshire - let's wait and see what happens with them. I agree Whitby for the 95 is the best place for them - already fitted with Next Stop Announcements so one improvement straight away. As to where 2870/1 go (2862 is at Gardeners for accident repairs at present), I would suggest Darlington allowing 2815/7 to move to Blyth to replace MPDs. 2828, I'd send straight to Blyth or Ashington as an MPD replacement.</p><p><br></p><p>Envrio400s to Durham - that sounds like the plan judging by the current rumours (there's main versions going round). MAX ALX400s to Jesmond yes but likely to be replacing some of 7488/90-4 at Jesmond rather than the MAX spec examples.</p><p><br></p><p>The rest - we enter fantasy land. New buses for the 64 are about as likely as new buses for Blyth's 1. The E200s from there would be useless at Stockton - the majority of Stockton's routes require Pulsars in terms of capacity even the 7 (as the frequency reduction on there came at the start of the 6 weeks, nothing yet to say how many of the boards will hit the schools at finishing time - 4 out of the 6 previously used to get the kids from the various schools along the route). Plus the Pulsars you've suggested to move from Stockton are required - the 17/17a are supposed to be allocated 'NSA-fitted Pulsars' which at Stockton are 1423-8 - 1423/4 indeed are fitted with 2 of the 6 NSA systems previously fitted to the Solos prior to their transfer to Yorkshire Tiger. The OmniCitys at Darlington will see out this year - their depot duty controller (the well known Mr Wise) has confirmed on photos of them on Facebook that they are earmarked for replacement by Pulsars next year. As for the B9TLs - they'll be staying at Whitby for the foreseeable. 7609/10 are the interesting one however - the Park & Ride contract stipulates vehicles used on there must be 10 years or younger, hence P2B running board is booked for 1440 outside the Summer Holidays (when all that board does is the 0920 X93 from Scarborough to Whitby). Therefore, they will be due for replacement next year or at the end of the 2020 summer season.</p>
Cascades:
4x Optare Solo SRs - Whitby (3050 - 3053 from Selby)
The allocaton change to Optare Solo SRs will assist improve reliability, and ensure that service 95 can have a full midibus allocaton to ensure vehicle loans and service cancellations remain at a minimum.
2828 will transfer to Redcar in a spare role position, and act as an additional for Whitby should they be short. The transfer of this will allow 1759 to finally be withdrawn.
2862/2870/2871 will transfer to Arriva Northumbria allowing the withdrawl of some of their MPDs.
6x 2008 ADL Enviro 400s - Belmont
The confirmed transfer of these will allow for some journeys on service X46 to be upgraded, and allow the 2005 Volvo B7TL to transfer elsewhere in the region.
7416 - 7421 will transfer to Jesmond, this allow the withdrawl of 7410/7412 - 7415/7488.
7422/7423*/7427* will remain at Belmont as spares for service X46, aswell as forming part of the allocaton for MAX X12.
*Will swap with 7445/7446 from Ashington.
Order Predictions:
8x New ADL Enviro 400MMCs - Whitby for MAX X93 & Whitby Park and Ride.
7401 - 7406 will transfer to Darlington for MAX services X66/X67, ensuring some journeys operate with more capacity, and are allocated with more reliable buses. Stockton will continue to allocate 1404/1405.
7609/7610 will transfer back to Blyth, this will allow the withdrawl of 7485/7487.
9x New Optare MetroCity's - Belmont for Frequenta 64.
1320 - 1328 will transfer to Stockton for use on local services, this will allow for 9x Wright Pulsar 2s to go for refurbishment, prior to transferring to Darlington for MAX services X21/X26/X27.
1420 - 1428 will transfer to Darlington via Refurbishment, and will replace more Scania CN94UBs, and ex Demonstrator Gas Buses (4643 - 4648/4812 - 4814).
Service X21 will be relaunched to "MAX" to ensure all vehicles operate to the same standard, and offer all advertised features.
The Scania CN94UBs will be reallocated across the region, this will allow for older or less reliable vehicles to be replaced. The ex Demonstrator Gas Buses will be withdrawn from service at Arriva, as their unreliability have restricted them to local services only.
4643 - 4646 will transfer to Blyth, this will allow the immediate withdrawl of 1401 - 1403/7411.
4647/4648 will transfer to Ashington, this will allow for 7484/7486 to be withdrawn.
4649/4650 will also transfer to Ashington, this will allow 1579/1580 to transfer to Jesmond allowing the withdrawl of 7490/7491.
7445/7446 will transfer to Belmont in exchange for 7423/7427, this will allow service 35 to be upgraded to MAX standard.
4651 will remain as spare for services X75/X76, although will also act as an appropriate spare for all other MAX services aswell.
4655 - 4657 will transfer to Redcar for service 81, although will return to Darlington for summer season X93s, in exchange for 3x Volvo B9TLs. As a result of this transfer 7424 - 7426 will transfer to Jesmond allowing the withdrawl of 7492 - 7494. During the summer periods service 81 will revert back to being allocated Temsa Avenues.
RE: Arriva North East: Order Predictions - S830OFT - 19 Aug 2019
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(19 Aug 2019, 12:05 pm)Kuyoyo wrote </p><p> </p><p><br></p><p>Let's break these down shall we:</p><p><br></p><p>Solo SRs from Yorkshire - let's wait and see what happens with them. I agree Whitby for the 95 is the best place for them - already fitted with Next Stop Announcements so one improvement straight away. As to where 2870/1 go (2862 is at Gardeners for accident repairs at present), I would suggest Darlington allowing 2815/7 to move to Blyth to replace MPDs. 2828, I'd send straight to Blyth or Ashington as an MPD replacement.</p><p><br></p><p>Envrio400s to Durham - that sounds like the plan judging by the current rumours (there's main versions going round). MAX ALX400s to Jesmond yes but likely to be replacing some of 7488/90-4 at Jesmond rather than the MAX spec examples.</p><p><br></p><p>The rest - we enter fantasy land. New buses for the 64 are about as likely as new buses for Blyth's 1. The E200s from there would be useless at Stockton - the majority of Stockton's routes require Pulsars in terms of capacity even the 7 (as the frequency reduction on there came at the start of the 6 weeks, nothing yet to say how many of the boards will hit the schools at finishing time - 4 out of the 6 previously used to get the kids from the various schools along the route). Plus the Pulsars you've suggested to move from Stockton are required - the 17/17a are supposed to be allocated 'NSA-fitted Pulsars' which at Stockton are 1423-8 - 1423/4 indeed are fitted with 2 of the 6 NSA systems previously fitted to the Solos prior to their transfer to Yorkshire Tiger. The OmniCitys at Darlington will see out this year - their depot duty controller (the well known Mr Wise) has confirmed on photos of them on Facebook that they are earmarked for replacement by Pulsars next year. As for the B9TLs - they'll be staying at Whitby for the foreseeable. 7609/10 are the interesting one however - the Park & Ride contract stipulates vehicles used on there must be 10 years or younger, hence P2B running board is booked for 1440 outside the Summer Holidays (when all that board does is the 0920 X93 from Scarborough to Whitby). Therefore, they will be due for replacement next year or at the end of the 2020 summer season.</p><p>
</p><p>In regards to the cascades from Yorkshire, I believe 2826 & 2831 can also transfer back to Blyth, directly replacing 2x MPDs.</p><p><br></p><p>As for Stockton, the 7 managed to survive using MPDs & Solos, and if they do have issues with capacity I'm sure the Enviro 200s can easily manage the likes of the 8 & 15...</p><p><br></p><p>Finally to Whitby, if 7609 & 7610 don't transfer back to Blyth, they could make an exchange with Yorkshire for 2x 2015 Enviro 400s off the 202/203. And for the additional summer board I'm sure Arriva could get away with using one of the X3/X4 StreetLites, as one is always used on Moorsbus on a weekend anyways...</p>
RE: Arriva North East: Order Predictions - S830OFT - 29 Aug 2019
14x ADL Enviro 200MMCs - Redcar for Sapphire X3/X4.
1560 - 1570 will remain at Redcar for service 63, this service will be relaunched as Sapphire, and will allow for 1429 - 1439 to be refurbished for MAX Darlington.
1571 - 1573 will transfer to Stockton for service X22, this releases 1467 - 1469 for MAX refurbishment.
1440 will remain as the Sapphire spare for services at Redcar...
The Temsa Avenues will remain allocated to Redcar with no fleet changes to them...
1429 - 1439 + 1467 - 1469 will transfer to Darlington, this will allow the withdrawl of 4643 - 4652 + 4654 - 4657.
1429 - 1439 + 1496 will form the allocaton for MAX services X26/X27/X66/X67.
1467 - 1469 will form the allocaton for MAX services X75/X76.
4658 will swap with 1496 at Belmont, this will allow service 685 to have a dedicated spare.
Most Scania CN94UBs will be retained in reserve roles, although only on a temporary basis...
RE: Arriva North East: Order Predictions - omnicity4659 - 05 Sep 2019
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(18 Aug 2019, 8:33 pm)cbma06 wrote I thought that the MAX brand is defunct now?
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</p><p><br></p><p>It is. Only specs available is Standard and Sapphire. </p>