(13 May 2016, 5:58 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]Reported by 29721 on the 'South Yorkshire Transport Forum', unique MAN 18.240/East Lancs Kinetic 22508-15 (SF56 FKL/M/N/O/P/R/S/T) are due to transfer to the North East with the service changes down in the Dearne Valley (and Doncaster) from Sunday.
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Stagecoach in Yorkshire 22510 (SF56 FKN) by Tony Kuy, on Flickr
Shall we begin the guessing game of which depot gets the delights........
This has also been confirmed on "Steven Knight Media - Fleet News Ramblings". I won't be surprised if they arrive at Sunderland first for a repaint, and so on - like 19641-7 did when they were transferred from Scotland. I assume they will start to arrive some point this week? I haven't a clue which depot and route they will be for!
(16 May 2016, 6:36 pm)AIG20 wrote [ -> ]This has also been confirmed on "Steven Knight Media - Fleet News Ramblings". I won't be surprised if they arrive at Sunderland first for a repaint, and so on - like 19641-7 did when they were transferred from Scotland. I assume they will start to arrive some point this week? I haven't a clue which depot and route they will be for!
Please for the following Newcastle services:
6
7
8
32
32A
18
(16 May 2016, 7:44 pm)NK53 TKT wrote [ -> ]Please for the following Newcastle services:
6
7
8
32
32A
18
They could displace 35188 -95 to other depots alike
35188 replaces 34611
35189/90 replaces 22067 ,70
35190 replaces 34605
35191 ,92,93,94,95 replace 34550 ,61,62,63,64.
I actually hope this happens to allow newcastle to have 3 darts left
I hope come to stackton but Waite and see.
Not sure they be repainted as they were repainted not too long ago down in Yorkshire. But if they are going anywhere, my guess would be Stockton.
(16 May 2016, 3:38 pm)South Tyne Lad wrote [ -> ]Shields Doesn't need 4 Full Size Single Decker's though, 22067 and 22070 are in very good condition compared to Slatyfords examples, It will also benefit Stagecoach more to replace Slatyford's first id imagine.
I agree, The queue in Middlesbrough for the 1 is ridiculous every time I'm up there, Either bigger buses or the frequency needs to be doubled, Though the latter might need more buses than Hartlepool has.
You know for certain that Shields doesn't need any full size single deckers do you?
Similar to most other local Stagecoach passengers we are fed up being crammed into E200s and would welcome larger buses with open arms.
(16 May 2016, 10:03 pm)ifm001 wrote [ -> ]You know for certain that Shields doesn't need any full size single deckers do you?
Similar to most other local Stagecoach passengers we are fed up being crammed into E200s and would welcome larger buses with open arms.
Yes because I live in Shields myself.
The commercial decisions Stagecoach take, Shouldn't see anything longer than 10.8M on our local services for years to come. We could've kept hold of 39702-39714 as they are longer and have a bigger capacity, They could of replaced them with last years batch of E300s or 11.8M E200MMCs but they didn't, They replaced them with more integral E200s which are smaller and more compact than 397**s.
E300s are too Big Engine wise to have running a circular town service, That's why they gone with E200s, If DDA wasn't around then Stageocach would've had leeway to keep the MANs at Shields for another year and replace them with 11.8M E200MMCs, Though so many older MANs to replace Stagecoach had to rush a decision and of course took the cheapest and most viable option.
Hi south Tyne lad. If 34611 was to leave South Shields would any of the 35's come back to where they first started if so which one's would come back let's hope we get them all back except 35187 which court fire a couple of months ago. Regards Robin
(17 May 2016, 6:45 pm)Robin Tait wrote [ -> ]Hi south Tyne lad. If 34611 was to leave South Shields would any of the 35's come back to where they first started if so which one's would come back let's hope we get them all back except 35187 which court fire a couple of months ago. Regards Robin
The only service that wiuld need those 56 reg darts id say is the x20
(17 May 2016, 7:19 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote [ -> ]The only service that wiuld need those 56 reg darts id say is the x20
No, The X20 requires a Full size Single Decker during the day, Only on a night time or Sunday can it be a smaller vehicle.
(17 May 2016, 6:45 pm)Robin Tait wrote [ -> ]Hi south Tyne lad. If 34611 was to leave South Shields would any of the 35's come back to where they first started if so which one's would come back let's hope we get them all back except 35187 which court fire a couple of months ago. Regards Robin
Hello Robin, Doubt all 351**s will come back to Shields though there could be a chance of one returning to replace 34611 as Spare.
So are they coming or not if 34611 goes??
(17 May 2016, 7:23 pm)Robin Tait wrote [ -> ]So are they coming or not if 34611 goes??
To put it clearly, No one knows.
Ok thanks. It would be great to see one may be two come back I hope. Regards Robin
(16 May 2016, 9:43 pm)GMitchelhill wrote [ -> ]Not sure they be repainted as they were repainted not too long ago down in Yorkshire. But if they are going anywhere, my guess would be Stockton.
It would make sense since there are 13 ALX300's at stockton, it is reported that it's likely the 8? E400's are coming likely to replace (I'm guessing 8) ALX300's, and since the ALX400's are leaving Stockton it would technically mean they need some more cover buses (as they are used as spares) the 8 Kinetics along with the E400's would bring a 16 buses. Which should be enough cover for Stockton.
If everything is correct, it would mean that the e400's would all be out, 5 Kinetics would be on service 13 allowing 3 Kinetics spare to perhaps swap with the e400's when some routes don't need them.
It would also make sense as it means Teesside buses won't need upgrading for some years (oldest bus being 9/10 years old), unless they wanted to put more deckers into the area.
(17 May 2016, 7:40 pm)benambro wrote [ -> ]It would make sense since there are 13 ALX300's at stockton, it is reported that it's likely the 8? E400's are coming likely to replace (I'm guessing 8) ALX300's, and since the ALX400's are leaving Stockton it would technically mean they need some more cover buses (as they are used as spares) the 8 Kinetics along with the E400's would bring a 16 buses. Which should be enough cover for Stockton.
If everything is correct, it would mean that the e400's would all be out, 5 Kinetics would be on service 13 allowing 3 Kinetics spare to perhaps swap with the e400's when some routes don't need them.
It would also make sense as it means Teesside buses won't need upgrading for some years (oldest bus being 9/10 years old), unless they wanted to put more deckers into the area.
Or 5 at stockton and 3 at shields for x20
(17 May 2016, 7:49 pm)biglugs@yahoo.com wrote [ -> ]Or 5 at stockton and 3 at shields for x20
For engineering logistical purposes it's highly likely they'll all be based at one depot
When stagecoach on teesside were call cleveland trianst There had more double deckers then single deckers in 1990s why not but some e 400 teesside service.
(17 May 2016, 8:04 pm)James101 wrote [ -> ]For engineering logistical purposes it's highly likely they'll all be based at one depot
I agree, Be costly training different depots how to maintain a unique batch of buses, When they can be concentrated on single depot.
Similar to how Arriva are concentrating there Scania's on Darlington depot only.
(17 May 2016, 8:07 pm)glen wrote [ -> ]When stagecoach on teesside were call cleveland trianst There had more double deckers then single deckers in 1990s why not but some e 400 teesside service.
Markets change, Some routes might not be viable anymore for double deck operation.
Though I'm not sure on how well loadings are up in Teeside.
(17 May 2016, 8:07 pm)glen wrote [ -> ]When stagecoach on teesside were call cleveland trianst There had more double deckers then single deckers in 1990s why not but some e 400 teesside service.
Mainly economy reasons, same reason why many routes were changed. Yes, deckers will be helpful on some journeys but they are not essential on services all day.
Why does 39706 never see service at sunderland haven't seen it for ages.
(17 May 2016, 8:20 pm)South Tyne Lad wrote [ -> ]Be costly training different depots how to maintain a unique batch of buses,
A qualified engineer wouldn't get any training. If you get stuck you phone around.
According to a member of the "Stagecoach Enthusiasts" Facebook Group, Kinetics 22508-15 will be transferring to Stockton.
(19 May 2016, 4:52 pm)AIG20 wrote [ -> ]According to a member of the "Stagecoach Enthusiasts" Facebook Group, Kinetics 22508-15 will be transferring to Stockton.
22014 -20 could leave i think.
Hopefully they allow 2206? To leave also allowing the 13 to retain the manalxs
Tell that member to mind his Owen business they should share them out not send them to one depot only.?
(19 May 2016, 6:38 pm)Robin Tait wrote [ -> ]Tell that member to mind his Owen business they should share them out not send them to one depot only.?
Why?, hes only letting you know what he has heard.
If it wasn't shared, it'll only be asked 100 times if anyone has heard anything....
(19 May 2016, 6:38 pm)Robin Tait wrote [ -> ]Tell that member to mind his Owen business they should share them out not send them to one depot only.?
(19 May 2016, 6:48 pm)Michael wrote [ -> ]Why?, hes only letting you know what he has heard.
If it wasn't shared, it'll only be asked 100 times if anyone has heard anything....
And surely, it would make sense to keep all of the batch in one place - especially in the case given the fact they are less common vehicles!
A quick google search seems to suggest that its a MAN 18.240 chassis, which is what 24101-15 are (please correct me if I'm incorrect on either of these) albeit with a different body so could this be why Stockton is suggested as their likely destination?
(19 May 2016, 6:57 pm)beefcake wrote [ -> ]A quick google search seems to suggest that its a MAN 18.240 chassis, which is what 24101-15 are (please correct me if I'm incorrect on either of these) albeit with a different body so could this be why Stockton is suggested as their likely destination?
It is indeed, And yes 241** are 18.240s too. And 18.240s are 12.8M in length, Someone on here said that Newcastle's 5 Extra Long E300s on the 100 are longer than the incoming kinetics'.....
Either Stockton or Slatyford by the look of it.
(19 May 2016, 7:05 pm)South Tyne Lad wrote [ -> ]It is indeed, And yes 241** are 18.240s too. And 18.240s are 12.8M in length, Someone on here said that Newcastle's 5 Extra Long E300s on the 100 are longer than the incoming kinetics'.....
Either Stockton or Slatyford by the look of it.
BIB: Only one batch of 18.240/E300s are 12.8m in length and those are 22620-6 with Stagecoach West (at Gloucester, new to Swindon for the 66 between Swindon and Oxford).
(19 May 2016, 7:54 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]BIB: Only one batch of 18.240/E300s are 12.8m in length and those are 22620-6 with Stagecoach West (at Gloucester, new to Swindon for the 66 between Swindon and Oxford).
Stagecoach South Wales received a batch of 12.8M MAN 18.240s for Service X4 in 2009.