(13 Nov 2018, 9:40 am)Rob44 to be fare you cant have a direct bus to everywhere.... but the price of using the bus has risen dramatically in my view When you are trying to get people to leave the car there needs to be a major compensation for have to wait in the cold for the bus, get on and find its full of out of control kids then when you get off you find your connecting bus has just left. For me me that would be no more and 3 quid per day, ideally less tbh!
(13 Nov 2018, 9:40 am)Rob44 to be fare you cant have a direct bus to everywhere.... but the price of using the bus has risen dramatically in my view When you are trying to get people to leave the car there needs to be a major compensation for have to wait in the cold for the bus, get on and find its full of out of control kids then when you get off you find your connecting bus has just left. For me me that would be no more and 3 quid per day, ideally less tbh!
My journey to work is from near team valley up to qe hospital. 160 on bus to valley then 220 from valley to hospital.
you are correct Dan -but Go north east seem to me, from the artical to want to use the stick route of increase prices for motorist and not use the carrot of making public transport more cheap.
also in my car I can listen to music, be guaranteed a seat, be guaranteed my car will turn up, choose who I share my car with etc etc. Its all about making an alternative to car travel as cheap as possible and more convenient ( in my view) others may have different priorities . £3 just seemed an amount per day that would get me out of my car and on to public transport.... but I would still need my car as I sometimes start at 6am and finish at midnight so buying a weekly/monthly/yearly ticket wouldn't help me at all either.
(13 Nov 2018, 11:20 am)Rob44 My journey to work is from near team valley up to qe hospital. 160 on bus to valley then 220 from valley to hospital.Fares are pushed up for a reason, companies would be losing money for cutting fares. Once enough people use a service, thats when prices can be knocked down. That's how I see it anyway.
you are correct Dan -but Go north east seem to me, from the artical to want to use the stick route of increase prices for motorist and not use the carrot of making public transport more cheap.
also in my car I can listen to music, be guaranteed a seat, be guaranteed my car will turn up, choose who I share my car with etc etc. Its all about making an alternative to car travel as cheap as possible and more convenient ( in my view) others may have different priorities . £3 just seemed an amount per day that would get me out of my car and on to public transport.... but I would still need my car as I sometimes start at 6am and finish at midnight so buying a weekly/monthly/yearly ticket wouldn't help me at all either.
(13 Nov 2018, 11:20 am)Rob44 My journey to work is from near team valley up to qe hospital. 160 on bus to valley then 220 from valley to hospital.Fares are pushed up for a reason, companies would be losing money for cutting fares. Once enough people use a service, thats when prices can be knocked down. That's how I see it anyway.
you are correct Dan -but Go north east seem to me, from the artical to want to use the stick route of increase prices for motorist and not use the carrot of making public transport more cheap.
also in my car I can listen to music, be guaranteed a seat, be guaranteed my car will turn up, choose who I share my car with etc etc. Its all about making an alternative to car travel as cheap as possible and more convenient ( in my view) others may have different priorities . £3 just seemed an amount per day that would get me out of my car and on to public transport.... but I would still need my car as I sometimes start at 6am and finish at midnight so buying a weekly/monthly/yearly ticket wouldn't help me at all either.
(13 Nov 2018, 11:22 am)Jamie M Fares are pushed up for a reason, companies would be losing money for cutting fares. Once enough people use a service, thats when prices can be knocked down. That's how I see it anyway.
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(13 Nov 2018, 11:22 am)Jamie M Fares are pushed up for a reason, companies would be losing money for cutting fares. Once enough people use a service, thats when prices can be knocked down. That's how I see it anyway.
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(13 Nov 2018, 11:20 am)Rob44 also in my car I can listen to music, be guaranteed a seat, be guaranteed my car will turn up, choose who I share my car with etc etc. Its all about making an alternative to car travel as cheap as possible and more convenient ( in my view) others may have different priorities . £3 just seemed an amount per day that would get me out of my car and on to public transport.... but I would still need my car as I sometimes start at 6am and finish at midnight so buying a weekly/monthly/yearly ticket wouldn't help me at all either.
(13 Nov 2018, 11:20 am)Rob44 also in my car I can listen to music, be guaranteed a seat, be guaranteed my car will turn up, choose who I share my car with etc etc. Its all about making an alternative to car travel as cheap as possible and more convenient ( in my view) others may have different priorities . £3 just seemed an amount per day that would get me out of my car and on to public transport.... but I would still need my car as I sometimes start at 6am and finish at midnight so buying a weekly/monthly/yearly ticket wouldn't help me at all either.
(13 Nov 2018, 11:22 am)Jamie M Fares are pushed up for a reason, companies would be losing money for cutting fares . Once enough people use a service, thats when prices can be knocked down. That's how I see it anyway.
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(13 Nov 2018, 11:22 am)Jamie M Fares are pushed up for a reason, companies would be losing money for cutting fares . Once enough people use a service, thats when prices can be knocked down. That's how I see it anyway.
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(13 Nov 2018, 1:45 pm)Andreos1 No, that's not the case at all.What happens when you don't get the 20 people coming and there's only the 10 left though?
Simple economics can tell you that.
Many an example of companies making more money by lowering prices. Margins are key.
20 people at £2.00 is more money than 10 people at £3.00.
(13 Nov 2018, 1:45 pm)Andreos1 No, that's not the case at all.What happens when you don't get the 20 people coming and there's only the 10 left though?
Simple economics can tell you that.
Many an example of companies making more money by lowering prices. Margins are key.
20 people at £2.00 is more money than 10 people at £3.00.
Look at the seat sales on the trains, and then similar deals in shops, if it's marketed well enough then the people will come.
(13 Nov 2018, 11:20 am)Rob44 My journey to work is from near team valley up to qe hospital. 160 on bus to valley then 220 from valley to hospital.
you are correct Dan -but Go north east seem to me, from the artical to want to use the stick route of increase prices for motorist and not use the carrot of making public transport more cheap.
also in my car I can listen to music, be guaranteed a seat, be guaranteed my car will turn up, choose who I share my car with etc etc. Its all about making an alternative to car travel as cheap as possible and more convenient ( in my view) others may have different priorities . £3 just seemed an amount per day that would get me out of my car and on to public transport.... but I would still need my car as I sometimes start at 6am and finish at midnight so buying a weekly/monthly/yearly ticket wouldn't help me at all either.
(13 Nov 2018, 11:20 am)Rob44 My journey to work is from near team valley up to qe hospital. 160 on bus to valley then 220 from valley to hospital.
you are correct Dan -but Go north east seem to me, from the artical to want to use the stick route of increase prices for motorist and not use the carrot of making public transport more cheap.
also in my car I can listen to music, be guaranteed a seat, be guaranteed my car will turn up, choose who I share my car with etc etc. Its all about making an alternative to car travel as cheap as possible and more convenient ( in my view) others may have different priorities . £3 just seemed an amount per day that would get me out of my car and on to public transport.... but I would still need my car as I sometimes start at 6am and finish at midnight so buying a weekly/monthly/yearly ticket wouldn't help me at all either.
It's very hard to get people out of their cars and on to public transportation.
Newcastle/Gateshead for example is lucky enough to have the second-largest of four metro systems in the UK, (granted its having a few issues while we await new stock), & we also have a fairly good (but obviously not perfect) bus network.
Many of our bus routes are served by modern comfortable route-branded buses which are fully accessible for wheelchairs & buggies, accept contactless/in-app payments, are often fitted with audio-visual next stop announcements, high backed leather seats, free WiFi and power outlets and some even with tables.
However this is still not enough to entice most car users out of their cars because of course cars are still more convenient.
Therefore in central areas buses must be given priority over private vehicles otherwise car usage just continues to increase along with congestion and pollution.
Central Government have instructed several local authorities across the country (including Newcastle, Gateshead & North Tyneside) to address pollution and bring air quality levels up to legal levels in the quickest time possible, which is why some parts of the country are having to consider congestion/clean air charging zones among other measures.
Our bus network has plenty of room for improvement but I imagine the quickest way to get people out of their cars and onto public transport is to make car usage in central areas either more expensive or less convenient than public transport.
From what I've read about Central Newcastle I think the authority's idea is to get car users to think about how they approach their chosen car park so that you drive TO the city centre, and not THROUGH it/around it as this is what causes the most congestion & pollution in the urban core. (Obviously better still, try to not bring the car into the city centre, or at least not as often). In conjunction with that multiple bus priorities have been put in place around the bus loop, including improved bus lanes, new smart traffic signals, enforcement cameras, better/safer cycling infrastructure and bigger safer pedestrian areas and crossings, all so that buses, pedestrians & cyclists (i.e sustainable/public transport) takes priority over private vehicles.
I imagine the travel mode hierarchy in most growing/successful towns and cities these days will be something like:
Pedestrians
Cyclists
Buses
Hackney Carriages/Private Hire Taxis
Services (goods)
and lastly, Privately owned vehicles.
Like it or not the bus companies do have a point rallying for congestion charge zones, whether they're seen as being selfish or not.
(Although I use buses to & from work in the city centre, I am also a car user who enjoys driving - just incase you think I'm being completely bias to buses).
(13 Nov 2018, 4:00 pm)omnicity4659 Look at the seat sales on the trains, and then similar deals in shops, if it's marketed well enough then the people will come.
(13 Nov 2018, 4:00 pm)omnicity4659 Look at the seat sales on the trains, and then similar deals in shops, if it's marketed well enough then the people will come.
I don't think bus passengers should have to worry about what colour bus is arriving, who operates it, or whether their ticket is going to be accepted or whether it's cheaper on a different bus. A truly standardised integrated transport network for Tyne & Wear would make public transport a more attractive viable option - I'm talking Metro, Buses, Ferry, Local Rail & Bike Hire all controlled by one body.
The bus operators should be competing against each other for contracts to run the services, not scrapping for customers off each other which just puts up barriers.
(14 Nov 2018, 9:32 am)Rob44 Dan.... Ive done that to at the metrocentre.... last Christmas actually but I don't know if you've notice but the signs in the Metrocentre car park say your not allowed to park and ride!The coach park is good. Never had any issues with that'n, especially at the back.
(14 Nov 2018, 9:32 am)Rob44 Dan.... Ive done that to at the metrocentre.... last Christmas actually but I don't know if you've notice but the signs in the Metrocentre car park say your not allowed to park and ride!The coach park is good. Never had any issues with that'n, especially at the back.
I don't know about the coach park.... I think that when the Match day park and ride operates from? I am just on about the parking at the metrocentre its self - its definitely on the signage although not sure how they could prove it unless CCTV followed youfrom your car to the bus station and your were seen jumping on the bus?!
(14 Nov 2018, 9:35 am)Rob44 I don't know about the coach park.... I think that when the Match day park and ride operates from? I am just on about the parking at the metrocentre its self - its definitely on the signage although not sure how they could prove it unless CCTV followed youfrom your car to the bus station and your were seen jumping on the bus?!They dont do any parking enforcement so I doubt it'll matter.
(14 Nov 2018, 9:35 am)Rob44 I don't know about the coach park.... I think that when the Match day park and ride operates from? I am just on about the parking at the metrocentre its self - its definitely on the signage although not sure how they could prove it unless CCTV followed youfrom your car to the bus station and your were seen jumping on the bus?!They dont do any parking enforcement so I doubt it'll matter.
(14 Nov 2018, 9:37 am)Jamie M They dont do any parking enforcement so I doubt it'll matter.
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(14 Nov 2018, 9:37 am)Jamie M They dont do any parking enforcement so I doubt it'll matter.
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(14 Nov 2018, 11:32 am)Andreos1 You sure?Oh I dont know about the main metrocentre, but there's no issues with the coach park for longer stays.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/sho...?t=5902247
(14 Nov 2018, 11:32 am)Andreos1 You sure?Oh I dont know about the main metrocentre, but there's no issues with the coach park for longer stays.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/sho...?t=5902247
