(18 May 2019, 9:04 am)Andreos1 I think we all said the H1 would fail. Surprised its lasted that long.
Its now left to the taxpayer to pick up the gap left by commercial decisions that haven't worked.
I can't remember the exact date the 238 was introduced on a commercial basis, but I'm pretty sure it was well before January last year.
May 2016 or 2017 perhaps? Can vaguely remember using one of the last (if not the last) 79/79a runs.
(18 May 2019, 9:04 am)Andreos1 I think we all said the H1 would fail. Surprised its lasted that long.
Its now left to the taxpayer to pick up the gap left by commercial decisions that haven't worked.
I can't remember the exact date the 238 was introduced on a commercial basis, but I'm pretty sure it was well before January last year.
May 2016 or 2017 perhaps? Can vaguely remember using one of the last (if not the last) 79/79a runs.
Few stand changes in Park Lane tomorrow, so here is a list of where each service will go from...
Stand A – X6/X7 – X21 (Arriva)
Stand B – 22/23 (Arriva)
Stand C - 9
Stand D - 60
Stand E – 38/38C/238
Stand F - 9
Stand G - 700
Stand H – 700
Stand J – 2/2A/39
Stand K – 8/8A/78/78A
Stand L - 20
Stand M – 35/X20
Stand N – 55/55A/55X
Stand P – 35/35A/135/136
Stand Q – 20
Stand R – No Services
Stand S – No Services
Stand T – 56
Stand V – 73 (NEXUS)
(18 May 2019, 9:22 am)JP6004 From ticketing analysis, I believe there was only a few people a week who used it to go to the hospital. The H1 was introduced because of the uproar from residents.
However are you going to run a service through a low catchment area opposed to an area with more passengers?
If people dont use the service then it's obvious that they will re-route to an area that will. Same reason the old M3 route was removed due to low numbers between heworth road and concord.
When I used to live in burnopfield and travelled to Washington on a Sunday, I wished they would merge the X43 and X88 so I didn't have to change buses to get to washy. Doubt they would create that service just for me......
(18 May 2019, 9:22 am)JP6004 From ticketing analysis, I believe there was only a few people a week who used it to go to the hospital. The H1 was introduced because of the uproar from residents.
However are you going to run a service through a low catchment area opposed to an area with more passengers?
If people dont use the service then it's obvious that they will re-route to an area that will. Same reason the old M3 route was removed due to low numbers between heworth road and concord.
When I used to live in burnopfield and travelled to Washington on a Sunday, I wished they would merge the X43 and X88 so I didn't have to change buses to get to washy. Doubt they would create that service just for me......
(18 May 2019, 1:13 pm)Andreos1 I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
They removed the frequent 88/88a, which served the hospital at various times of the day. It operated during visiting hours.
It was partly replaced by the 26.
For those areas now not served by the 88/88a and 26, they introduced the H1.
It isn't frequent and it doesn't serve the hospital during visiting hours.
For the westward part of the route, its living in the shadow of the 27 for a big chunk. Even taking in to account the local journeys people might want to make on it, there's more chance of getting the 27, than the H1.
(18 May 2019, 1:13 pm)Andreos1 I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
They removed the frequent 88/88a, which served the hospital at various times of the day. It operated during visiting hours.
It was partly replaced by the 26.
For those areas now not served by the 88/88a and 26, they introduced the H1.
It isn't frequent and it doesn't serve the hospital during visiting hours.
For the westward part of the route, its living in the shadow of the 27 for a big chunk. Even taking in to account the local journeys people might want to make on it, there's more chance of getting the 27, than the H1.
(18 May 2019, 9:04 am)Andreos1 I think we all said the H1 would fail. Surprised its lasted that long.
Its now left to the taxpayer to pick up the gap left by commercial decisions that haven't worked.
I can't remember the exact date the 238 was introduced on a commercial basis, but I'm pretty sure it was well before January last year.
May 2016 or 2017 perhaps? Can vaguely remember using one of the last (if not the last) 79/79a runs.
(18 May 2019, 9:04 am)Andreos1 I think we all said the H1 would fail. Surprised its lasted that long.
Its now left to the taxpayer to pick up the gap left by commercial decisions that haven't worked.
I can't remember the exact date the 238 was introduced on a commercial basis, but I'm pretty sure it was well before January last year.
May 2016 or 2017 perhaps? Can vaguely remember using one of the last (if not the last) 79/79a runs.
(18 May 2019, 1:41 pm)busmanT It was 30th May 2015 when Go North East took on the 79 commercially (as an extension of the 238).
(18 May 2019, 1:41 pm)busmanT It was 30th May 2015 when Go North East took on the 79 commercially (as an extension of the 238).
(17 May 2019, 5:55 pm)citaro5284 There you are Michael
https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/11...7308098560
(17 May 2019, 5:55 pm)citaro5284 There you are Michael
https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/11...7308098560
I've got a feeling the Blue Arrow Scania Omnicities will be put into Store until they are repainted. Hence why the Scania Solar withdrawals aren't happening until June, as if they are going to Deptford, the staff will need to be type trained on them too.
(18 May 2019, 8:23 pm)JM03 What will tonights vehicle transfers tonight be?
Is their any new planned odd working from tomorrow too?
(18 May 2019, 10:46 pm)Rapidsnap I've got a feeling the Blue Arrow Scania Omnicities will be put into Store until they are repainted. Hence why the Scania Solar withdrawals aren't happening until June, as if they are going to Deptford, the staff will need to be type trained on them too.
(18 May 2019, 8:23 pm)JM03 What will tonights vehicle transfers tonight be?
Is their any new planned odd working from tomorrow too?
(18 May 2019, 10:46 pm)Rapidsnap I've got a feeling the Blue Arrow Scania Omnicities will be put into Store until they are repainted. Hence why the Scania Solar withdrawals aren't happening until June, as if they are going to Deptford, the staff will need to be type trained on them too.
(19 May 2019, 7:44 am)Dan A large number of re-allocations last night:
626, 628, 633, 634 - Riverside to Percy Main
637, 639 - Deptford to Riverside
648 - Percy Main to Hownsgill
649, 650, 651 - Percy Main to Deptford
653, 654 - Percy Main to Peterlee
672, 673, 674, 675, 676, 677, 678 - Percy Main to Deptford
679 - Percy Main to Washington
681, 689, 690 - Deptford to Washington
691, 692, 693, 694 - Peterlee to Percy Main
695, 696 - Hownsgill to Percy Main
697 - Deptford to Hownsgill
698, 699 - Deptford to Percy Main
701, 702, 703, 704 - Washington to Percy Main
718, 719, 720 - Peterlee to Deptford
724, 725 - Crook to Percy Main
4932, 4933, 4940, 4944 - Riverside to float/reserve (Riverside)
4949 - Riverside to Peterlee
4978, 4980, 4981 - Percy Main to float/reserve (Percy Main)
4979, 4982 - Percy Main to withdrawn
5201 - Chester-le-St to float/reserve (Chester-le-St)
5204, 5205 - Float/Reserve (Percy Main) to withdrawn
5206 - Chester-le-St to withdrawn
5229, 5230, 5231, 5232 - Chester-le-St to float/reserve (Percy Main)
5249, 5251, 5252 - Riverside to Chester-le-Street
5263, 5264, 5265, 5266 - Percy Main to Chester-le-Street
5420, 5440, 5441 - Deptford to Riverside
6100 - Deptford to Percy Main
6136 - Percy Main to Chester-le-Street
6332 - Chester-le-Street to Crook
8302, 8304, 8305, 8325, 8326 - Chester-le-Street to Riverside
Solo SR 638 is currently VOR, to be transferred from Deptford to Riverside next week.
Solo 705 is currently VOR, to be transferred to Percy Main on repair (at which point Solo SR 680 will transfer to Washington).
Solo SR 678 is currently VOR (still to undergo repaint for X-lines), so Solo 700 has temporarily remained allocated to Deptford.
Streetlites 5420, 5440 and 5441 are all currently VOR undergoing repaint into fleet livery.
Of the Blue Arrow OmniCitys, 5266 should be sent from Chester-le-St to Saltmeadows on Monday to get repainted. The others will all remain at Percy Main in Blue Arrow livery until space is available in the paintshop to repaint them. There are no intentions for OmniCitys to join the fleet at Deptford.
(19 May 2019, 7:44 am)Dan A large number of re-allocations last night:
626, 628, 633, 634 - Riverside to Percy Main
637, 639 - Deptford to Riverside
648 - Percy Main to Hownsgill
649, 650, 651 - Percy Main to Deptford
653, 654 - Percy Main to Peterlee
672, 673, 674, 675, 676, 677, 678 - Percy Main to Deptford
679 - Percy Main to Washington
681, 689, 690 - Deptford to Washington
691, 692, 693, 694 - Peterlee to Percy Main
695, 696 - Hownsgill to Percy Main
697 - Deptford to Hownsgill
698, 699 - Deptford to Percy Main
701, 702, 703, 704 - Washington to Percy Main
718, 719, 720 - Peterlee to Deptford
724, 725 - Crook to Percy Main
4932, 4933, 4940, 4944 - Riverside to float/reserve (Riverside)
4949 - Riverside to Peterlee
4978, 4980, 4981 - Percy Main to float/reserve (Percy Main)
4979, 4982 - Percy Main to withdrawn
5201 - Chester-le-St to float/reserve (Chester-le-St)
5204, 5205 - Float/Reserve (Percy Main) to withdrawn
5206 - Chester-le-St to withdrawn
5229, 5230, 5231, 5232 - Chester-le-St to float/reserve (Percy Main)
5249, 5251, 5252 - Riverside to Chester-le-Street
5263, 5264, 5265, 5266 - Percy Main to Chester-le-Street
5420, 5440, 5441 - Deptford to Riverside
6100 - Deptford to Percy Main
6136 - Percy Main to Chester-le-Street
6332 - Chester-le-Street to Crook
8302, 8304, 8305, 8325, 8326 - Chester-le-Street to Riverside
Solo SR 638 is currently VOR, to be transferred from Deptford to Riverside next week.
Solo 705 is currently VOR, to be transferred to Percy Main on repair (at which point Solo SR 680 will transfer to Washington).
Solo SR 678 is currently VOR (still to undergo repaint for X-lines), so Solo 700 has temporarily remained allocated to Deptford.
Streetlites 5420, 5440 and 5441 are all currently VOR undergoing repaint into fleet livery.
Of the Blue Arrow OmniCitys, 5266 should be sent from Chester-le-St to Saltmeadows on Monday to get repainted. The others will all remain at Percy Main in Blue Arrow livery until space is available in the paintshop to repaint them. There are no intentions for OmniCitys to join the fleet at Deptford.
(19 May 2019, 8:06 am)Michael So i take it, the 38/238 isn't versa and is Solo?
Someones screwed up on the timetables...
(19 May 2019, 8:06 am)Michael So i take it, the 38/238 isn't versa and is Solo?
Someones screwed up on the timetables...
(19 May 2019, 7:44 am)Dan A large number of re-allocations last night:
626, 628, 633, 634 - Riverside to Percy Main
637, 639 - Deptford to Riverside
648 - Percy Main to Hownsgill
649, 650, 651 - Percy Main to Deptford
653, 654 - Percy Main to Peterlee
672, 673, 674, 675, 676, 677, 678 - Percy Main to Deptford
679 - Percy Main to Washington
681, 689, 690 - Deptford to Washington
691, 692, 693, 694 - Peterlee to Percy Main
695, 696 - Hownsgill to Percy Main
697 - Deptford to Hownsgill
698, 699 - Deptford to Percy Main
701, 702, 703, 704 - Washington to Percy Main
718, 719, 720 - Peterlee to Deptford
724, 725 - Crook to Percy Main
4932, 4933, 4940, 4944 - Riverside to float/reserve (Riverside)
4949 - Riverside to Peterlee
4978, 4980, 4981 - Percy Main to float/reserve (Percy Main)
4979, 4982 - Percy Main to withdrawn
5201 - Chester-le-St to float/reserve (Chester-le-St)
5204, 5205 - Float/Reserve (Percy Main) to withdrawn
5206 - Chester-le-St to withdrawn
5229, 5230, 5231, 5232 - Chester-le-St to float/reserve (Percy Main)
5249, 5251, 5252 - Riverside to Chester-le-Street
5263, 5264, 5265, 5266 - Percy Main to Chester-le-Street
5420, 5440, 5441 - Deptford to Riverside
6100 - Deptford to Percy Main
6136 - Percy Main to Chester-le-Street
6332 - Chester-le-Street to Crook
8302, 8304, 8305, 8325, 8326 - Chester-le-Street to Riverside
Solo SR 638 is currently VOR, to be transferred from Deptford to Riverside next week.
Solo 705 is currently VOR, to be transferred to Percy Main on repair (at which point Solo SR 680 will transfer to Washington).
Solo SR 678 is currently VOR (still to undergo repaint for X-lines), so Solo 700 has temporarily remained allocated to Deptford.
Streetlites 5420, 5440 and 5441 are all currently VOR undergoing repaint into fleet livery.
Of the Blue Arrow OmniCitys, 5266 should be sent from Chester-le-St to Saltmeadows on Monday to get repainted. The others will all remain at Percy Main in Blue Arrow livery until space is available in the paintshop to repaint them. There are no intentions for OmniCitys to join the fleet at Deptford.
(19 May 2019, 7:44 am)Dan A large number of re-allocations last night:
626, 628, 633, 634 - Riverside to Percy Main
637, 639 - Deptford to Riverside
648 - Percy Main to Hownsgill
649, 650, 651 - Percy Main to Deptford
653, 654 - Percy Main to Peterlee
672, 673, 674, 675, 676, 677, 678 - Percy Main to Deptford
679 - Percy Main to Washington
681, 689, 690 - Deptford to Washington
691, 692, 693, 694 - Peterlee to Percy Main
695, 696 - Hownsgill to Percy Main
697 - Deptford to Hownsgill
698, 699 - Deptford to Percy Main
701, 702, 703, 704 - Washington to Percy Main
718, 719, 720 - Peterlee to Deptford
724, 725 - Crook to Percy Main
4932, 4933, 4940, 4944 - Riverside to float/reserve (Riverside)
4949 - Riverside to Peterlee
4978, 4980, 4981 - Percy Main to float/reserve (Percy Main)
4979, 4982 - Percy Main to withdrawn
5201 - Chester-le-St to float/reserve (Chester-le-St)
5204, 5205 - Float/Reserve (Percy Main) to withdrawn
5206 - Chester-le-St to withdrawn
5229, 5230, 5231, 5232 - Chester-le-St to float/reserve (Percy Main)
5249, 5251, 5252 - Riverside to Chester-le-Street
5263, 5264, 5265, 5266 - Percy Main to Chester-le-Street
5420, 5440, 5441 - Deptford to Riverside
6100 - Deptford to Percy Main
6136 - Percy Main to Chester-le-Street
6332 - Chester-le-Street to Crook
8302, 8304, 8305, 8325, 8326 - Chester-le-Street to Riverside
Solo SR 638 is currently VOR, to be transferred from Deptford to Riverside next week.
Solo 705 is currently VOR, to be transferred to Percy Main on repair (at which point Solo SR 680 will transfer to Washington).
Solo SR 678 is currently VOR (still to undergo repaint for X-lines), so Solo 700 has temporarily remained allocated to Deptford.
Streetlites 5420, 5440 and 5441 are all currently VOR undergoing repaint into fleet livery.
Of the Blue Arrow OmniCitys, 5266 should be sent from Chester-le-St to Saltmeadows on Monday to get repainted. The others will all remain at Percy Main in Blue Arrow livery until space is available in the paintshop to repaint them. There are no intentions for OmniCitys to join the fleet at Deptford.
(19 May 2019, 8:56 am)Tom So what is making the additional 1/1A PVR? Solars?
(19 May 2019, 8:56 am)Tom So what is making the additional 1/1A PVR? Solars?
(19 May 2019, 8:11 am)Dan The 38 is still allocated a Scania L94, and the 238 is now allocated a Solo SR in fleet livery (from 649-651). There isn't a drawing done for the Scania L94 in the new fleet livery (on the basis that none of them will receive it), so the agency have clearly substituted L94s for OmniCitys or Versas.
A couple of mistakes on the timetable front by the agency that does them. There was proof-checking done at Go North East's end but not everything could be rectified in time before they went for print.
(19 May 2019, 8:11 am)Dan The 38 is still allocated a Scania L94, and the 238 is now allocated a Solo SR in fleet livery (from 649-651). There isn't a drawing done for the Scania L94 in the new fleet livery (on the basis that none of them will receive it), so the agency have clearly substituted L94s for OmniCitys or Versas.
A couple of mistakes on the timetable front by the agency that does them. There was proof-checking done at Go North East's end but not everything could be rectified in time before they went for print.
(19 May 2019, 9:03 am)Dan For now, two of the Blue Arrow OmniCitys (which will be repainted in the new fleet livery), and Percy Main retain 6069 as a spare for the 14 Coaster branded examples. Longer-term there will be a plan for two double-decks to join Percy Main, one of which will be PVR and the other will be spare (and 6069 will be repainted and branded for Coaster).
The 40/41/42 should be allocated Solo SRs, the 11 should be allocated the older 10-plate Solos, and the 19 should be allocated two Solos too.
(19 May 2019, 9:03 am)Dan For now, two of the Blue Arrow OmniCitys (which will be repainted in the new fleet livery), and Percy Main retain 6069 as a spare for the 14 Coaster branded examples. Longer-term there will be a plan for two double-decks to join Percy Main, one of which will be PVR and the other will be spare (and 6069 will be repainted and branded for Coaster).
The 40/41/42 should be allocated Solo SRs, the 11 should be allocated the older 10-plate Solos, and the 19 should be allocated two Solos too.
(19 May 2019, 9:05 am)Tom Ah right cheers, makes sense I guess.
(19 May 2019, 9:05 am)Tom Ah right cheers, makes sense I guess.
(19 May 2019, 9:09 am)Dan 6100 will be the same-specification spare for the Cobalt & Coast, with 6101-17 all being branded as part of the PVR which is now 17.
The Fab56 PVR has reduced by one, but given there were several 'unbranded' Volvo B9 anyway, it meant that one of the spares could be sent away. 6086 and 6099 will be the spare buses for the 56 going forward, with 6085 forming part of the PVR of the 56 (as it did previously).
(19 May 2019, 9:09 am)Dan 6100 will be the same-specification spare for the Cobalt & Coast, with 6101-17 all being branded as part of the PVR which is now 17.
The Fab56 PVR has reduced by one, but given there were several 'unbranded' Volvo B9 anyway, it meant that one of the spares could be sent away. 6086 and 6099 will be the spare buses for the 56 going forward, with 6085 forming part of the PVR of the 56 (as it did previously).
(19 May 2019, 9:17 am)Michael Its mad at how many Solo's have changed depots.
Which Solo's will be allocated to the 33/33A?, 649, 650, 651?
Basically once June hits, at least 9 Scania will get withdrawn (due to being a spare role), with the other 3 kept as float buses for the B9 refurbs?
(19 May 2019, 9:17 am)Michael Its mad at how many Solo's have changed depots.
Which Solo's will be allocated to the 33/33A?, 649, 650, 651?
Basically once June hits, at least 9 Scania will get withdrawn (due to being a spare role), with the other 3 kept as float buses for the B9 refurbs?