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Jimmi



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03 Aug 2019, 7:44 pm #741
(03 Aug 2019, 12:31 pm)Andreos1


Heard and seen plenty 156's recently - but first time I've positively id'd a 158 on the line.

A nice change to them Pacer's!


142s are better than nowt... speaking of which, various services to/from Bishop Auckland have supposedly been cancelled today due to staff shortages, some services were cancelled on this line last Sunday for same reason, fear this is going to become a trend on weekends between Darlington and Bishop

The previously mentioned 158 was 158860
Jimmi
03 Aug 2019, 7:44 pm #741

(03 Aug 2019, 12:31 pm)Andreos1


Heard and seen plenty 156's recently - but first time I've positively id'd a 158 on the line.

A nice change to them Pacer's!


142s are better than nowt... speaking of which, various services to/from Bishop Auckland have supposedly been cancelled today due to staff shortages, some services were cancelled on this line last Sunday for same reason, fear this is going to become a trend on weekends between Darlington and Bishop

The previously mentioned 158 was 158860

Andreos1



14,155
20 Aug 2019, 5:39 pm #742

https://bdaily.co.uk/articles/2019/08/20...port-links


All go on Teesside with the rail network.


New 'Parkway' station proposed.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
20 Aug 2019, 5:39 pm #742

https://bdaily.co.uk/articles/2019/08/20...port-links


All go on Teesside with the rail network.


New 'Parkway' station proposed.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Andreos1



14,155
20 Sep 2019, 7:00 pm #743

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/traf...ool-634155


Reports that Northern Connect won't be using ECML.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
20 Sep 2019, 7:00 pm #743

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/traf...ool-634155


Reports that Northern Connect won't be using ECML.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

JM03



505
21 Sep 2019, 10:01 pm #744
Clocked a 321 or a 322 sitting at Heaton the other day, are these transferring to here and if so, why?
JM03
21 Sep 2019, 10:01 pm #744

Clocked a 321 or a 322 sitting at Heaton the other day, are these transferring to here and if so, why?

peter



993
22 Sep 2019, 12:32 am #745

(21 Sep 2019, 10:01 pm)JM03 Clocked a 321 or a 322 sitting at Heaton the other day, are these transferring to here and if so, why?


They're at Heaton for warm storage because there isn't enough room at Neville Hill, so essentially withdrawn following the arrival of the new 331s in the Leeds area, but can be used in emergency or during the leaf fall timetable

peter
22 Sep 2019, 12:32 am #745

(21 Sep 2019, 10:01 pm)JM03 Clocked a 321 or a 322 sitting at Heaton the other day, are these transferring to here and if so, why?


They're at Heaton for warm storage because there isn't enough room at Neville Hill, so essentially withdrawn following the arrival of the new 331s in the Leeds area, but can be used in emergency or during the leaf fall timetable

JM03



505
09 Dec 2019, 9:27 am #746
With the changes coming in next Sunday, all pacers will leave the NE and be swapped for 153 units transferred in only to be used in emergency situations
JM03
09 Dec 2019, 9:27 am #746

With the changes coming in next Sunday, all pacers will leave the NE and be swapped for 153 units transferred in only to be used in emergency situations

Ryland



453
09 Dec 2019, 9:40 pm #747
(09 Dec 2019, 9:27 am)JM03 With the changes coming in next Sunday, all pacers will leave the NE and be swapped for 153 units transferred in only to be used in emergency situations
How true is this though surely there be extra 156 and 158s floating around Heaton to cover, honestly don't see how well a class 153 will cope in the north east routes. Plus our drivers would have to be trained again on them
Ryland
09 Dec 2019, 9:40 pm #747

(09 Dec 2019, 9:27 am)JM03 With the changes coming in next Sunday, all pacers will leave the NE and be swapped for 153 units transferred in only to be used in emergency situations
How true is this though surely there be extra 156 and 158s floating around Heaton to cover, honestly don't see how well a class 153 will cope in the north east routes. Plus our drivers would have to be trained again on them

Andreos1



14,155
09 Dec 2019, 10:03 pm #748
(09 Dec 2019, 9:40 pm)Ryland How true is this though surely there be extra 156 and 158s floating around Heaton to cover, honestly don't see how well a class 153 will cope in the north east routes. Plus our drivers would have to be trained again on them

Double 'em up? 
Not a big fan of them personally, but the more stock the better imo.
Can't help thinking the 158's are wasted on the stop/start nature of the local routes and stop/start is certainly not what they were designed for.

Maybe the powers that be are anticipating future problems and feel the 153's are a decent option?

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
09 Dec 2019, 10:03 pm #748

(09 Dec 2019, 9:40 pm)Ryland How true is this though surely there be extra 156 and 158s floating around Heaton to cover, honestly don't see how well a class 153 will cope in the north east routes. Plus our drivers would have to be trained again on them

Double 'em up? 
Not a big fan of them personally, but the more stock the better imo.
Can't help thinking the 158's are wasted on the stop/start nature of the local routes and stop/start is certainly not what they were designed for.

Maybe the powers that be are anticipating future problems and feel the 153's are a decent option?


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Michael



19,141
10 Dec 2019, 3:47 pm #749
(09 Dec 2019, 9:27 am)JM03 With the changes coming in next Sunday, all pacers will leave the NE

best news so far this week, about time!

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
10 Dec 2019, 3:47 pm #749

(09 Dec 2019, 9:27 am)JM03 With the changes coming in next Sunday, all pacers will leave the NE

best news so far this week, about time!


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

JM03



505
11 Dec 2019, 5:46 pm #750
(09 Dec 2019, 9:40 pm)Ryland How true is this though surely there be extra 156 and 158s floating around Heaton to cover, honestly don't see how well a class 153 will cope in the north east routes. Plus our drivers would have to be trained again on them
Was told off Northern conductor on my train Sunday night, seems pretty legit, Id not be surprised to be hooked up with 156s and 158s when not being used, they're only going to be operated in single units when no other units are able to operate
JM03
11 Dec 2019, 5:46 pm #750

(09 Dec 2019, 9:40 pm)Ryland How true is this though surely there be extra 156 and 158s floating around Heaton to cover, honestly don't see how well a class 153 will cope in the north east routes. Plus our drivers would have to be trained again on them
Was told off Northern conductor on my train Sunday night, seems pretty legit, Id not be surprised to be hooked up with 156s and 158s when not being used, they're only going to be operated in single units when no other units are able to operate

11 Dec 2019, 8:59 pm #751
6 of Newton Heath’s 156s will be allocated to Heaton for the new timetable change, with 2 coming up per day starting from tomorrow(?). They should be 156421, 156441, 156468, 156475, 156488, 156489.
Note that 421 and 441 are ones which have been refurbished in the new blue moquette.
EL1TE
11 Dec 2019, 8:59 pm #751

6 of Newton Heath’s 156s will be allocated to Heaton for the new timetable change, with 2 coming up per day starting from tomorrow(?). They should be 156421, 156441, 156468, 156475, 156488, 156489.
Note that 421 and 441 are ones which have been refurbished in the new blue moquette.

JM03



505
12 Dec 2019, 12:50 pm #752
(11 Dec 2019, 8:59 pm)EL1TE 6 of Newton Heath’s 156s will be allocated to Heaton for the new timetable change, with 2 coming up per day starting from tomorrow(?). They should be 156421, 156441, 156468, 156475, 156488, 156489.
Note that 421 and 441 are ones which have been refurbished in the new blue moquette.
Will that be applied on any other Heaton 156? Ive only seen it on 156451
JM03
12 Dec 2019, 12:50 pm #752

(11 Dec 2019, 8:59 pm)EL1TE 6 of Newton Heath’s 156s will be allocated to Heaton for the new timetable change, with 2 coming up per day starting from tomorrow(?). They should be 156421, 156441, 156468, 156475, 156488, 156489.
Note that 421 and 441 are ones which have been refurbished in the new blue moquette.
Will that be applied on any other Heaton 156? Ive only seen it on 156451

12 Dec 2019, 5:24 pm #753
(12 Dec 2019, 12:50 pm)JM03 Will that be applied on any other Heaton 156? Ive only seen it on 156451
Not so sure if any more have been done, sorry. I know that 156451 also has USB’s but not sure on WiFi. I’m sure more will start to get done soon though.
EL1TE
12 Dec 2019, 5:24 pm #753

(12 Dec 2019, 12:50 pm)JM03 Will that be applied on any other Heaton 156? Ive only seen it on 156451
Not so sure if any more have been done, sorry. I know that 156451 also has USB’s but not sure on WiFi. I’m sure more will start to get done soon though.

JM03



505
13 Dec 2019, 4:37 pm #754
(12 Dec 2019, 5:24 pm)EL1TE Not so sure if any more have been done, sorry. I know that 156451 also has USB’s but not sure on WiFi. I’m sure more will start to get done soon though.
It had the wifi Im sure too, personally really like it
JM03
13 Dec 2019, 4:37 pm #754

(12 Dec 2019, 5:24 pm)EL1TE Not so sure if any more have been done, sorry. I know that 156451 also has USB’s but not sure on WiFi. I’m sure more will start to get done soon though.
It had the wifi Im sure too, personally really like it

Jimmi



10,966
14 Dec 2019, 7:26 am #755
WiFi & USBs on Northern?! Don't make me laugh... virtually every 150 & 158 refurb I've had has not had WiFi or USBs despite their social media claiming otherwise, the only 150 I've had with WiFi only had it as somebody forgot to remove it when it transferred up from Great Western Railway

EDIT: can confirm 156451 has WiFi & USBs plus seat re-trim
Jimmi
14 Dec 2019, 7:26 am #755

WiFi & USBs on Northern?! Don't make me laugh... virtually every 150 & 158 refurb I've had has not had WiFi or USBs despite their social media claiming otherwise, the only 150 I've had with WiFi only had it as somebody forgot to remove it when it transferred up from Great Western Railway

EDIT: can confirm 156451 has WiFi & USBs plus seat re-trim

Jimmi



10,966
18 Dec 2019, 8:26 pm #756
The 142s are still putting in appearances on lines in the North East with Northern... one that certainly won't with Northern now is 142001 which departed today and currently resides at Shildon Locomotion Museum (snapped in Aycliffe bound for Shildon).
[Image: 49239550131_20a0488f7d.jpg]142001 by Matthew Jimmison, on Flickr
Jimmi
18 Dec 2019, 8:26 pm #756

The 142s are still putting in appearances on lines in the North East with Northern... one that certainly won't with Northern now is 142001 which departed today and currently resides at Shildon Locomotion Museum (snapped in Aycliffe bound for Shildon).
[Image: 49239550131_20a0488f7d.jpg]142001 by Matthew Jimmison, on Flickr

Andreos1



14,155
02 Jan 2020, 10:09 am #757
Hearing Northern have been stripped of their franchise.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
02 Jan 2020, 10:09 am #757

Hearing Northern have been stripped of their franchise.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

02 Jan 2020, 5:00 pm #758
(02 Jan 2020, 10:09 am)Andreos1 Hearing Northern have been stripped of their franchise.

If they have been, I'm surprised it's taken them this long to do it.
Although, I can't help but think what affect this is going to have on the sale of Arriva. If anything, not having that franchise may make Arriva more appealing to any prospective buyers!

I personally rarely use Northern much these days, the extend of my usage is between Bishop and Darlington these days and it's actually pretty rare that it's late (at least when I use it)
streetdeckfan
02 Jan 2020, 5:00 pm #758

(02 Jan 2020, 10:09 am)Andreos1 Hearing Northern have been stripped of their franchise.

If they have been, I'm surprised it's taken them this long to do it.
Although, I can't help but think what affect this is going to have on the sale of Arriva. If anything, not having that franchise may make Arriva more appealing to any prospective buyers!

I personally rarely use Northern much these days, the extend of my usage is between Bishop and Darlington these days and it's actually pretty rare that it's late (at least when I use it)

Jimmi



10,966
02 Jan 2020, 5:42 pm #759
(02 Jan 2020, 5:00 pm)streetdeckfan If they have been, I'm surprised it's taken them this long to do it.
Although, I can't help but think what affect this is going to have on the sale of Arriva. If anything, not having that franchise may make Arriva more appealing to any prospective buyers!

I personally rarely use Northern much these days, the extend of my usage is between Bishop and Darlington these days and it's actually pretty rare that it's late (at least when I use it)

From a regular user on the Bishop Line, whilst some cancellations occur at times (especially on weekends), the North East side of the network isn't too bad although could be better, the bulk of the issues have come from Yorkshire and the North West where services are being cancelled mostly due to members of train crew being unavailable and sometimes lack of serviceable trains being available.

I'm not quite sure what stripping them of the franchise is going to achieve as it's unlikely the current issues can magically be resolved. The increase of services and the need for more trains in this franchise was always going to be a struggle but delayed delivery of new trains and cascades certainly haven't helped them.
Jimmi
02 Jan 2020, 5:42 pm #759

(02 Jan 2020, 5:00 pm)streetdeckfan If they have been, I'm surprised it's taken them this long to do it.
Although, I can't help but think what affect this is going to have on the sale of Arriva. If anything, not having that franchise may make Arriva more appealing to any prospective buyers!

I personally rarely use Northern much these days, the extend of my usage is between Bishop and Darlington these days and it's actually pretty rare that it's late (at least when I use it)

From a regular user on the Bishop Line, whilst some cancellations occur at times (especially on weekends), the North East side of the network isn't too bad although could be better, the bulk of the issues have come from Yorkshire and the North West where services are being cancelled mostly due to members of train crew being unavailable and sometimes lack of serviceable trains being available.

I'm not quite sure what stripping them of the franchise is going to achieve as it's unlikely the current issues can magically be resolved. The increase of services and the need for more trains in this franchise was always going to be a struggle but delayed delivery of new trains and cascades certainly haven't helped them.

02 Jan 2020, 6:23 pm #760
(02 Jan 2020, 5:42 pm)Jimmi From a regular user on the Bishop Line, whilst some cancellations occur at times (especially on weekends), the North East side of the network isn't too bad although could be better, the bulk of the issues have come from Yorkshire and the North West where services are being cancelled mostly due to members of train crew being unavailable and sometimes lack of serviceable trains being available.

I'm not quite sure what stripping them of the franchise is going to achieve as it's unlikely the current issues can magically be resolved. The increase of services and the need for more trains in this franchise was always going to be a struggle but delayed delivery of new trains and cascades certainly haven't helped them.

I get the feeling the stripping them of the franchise is more for appearances than anything. It doesn't really matter if it was Northern's fault or not, the damage to their reputation is already done. I wouldn't be surprised if Arriva wanted out as much as passengers wanted them out!
streetdeckfan
02 Jan 2020, 6:23 pm #760

(02 Jan 2020, 5:42 pm)Jimmi From a regular user on the Bishop Line, whilst some cancellations occur at times (especially on weekends), the North East side of the network isn't too bad although could be better, the bulk of the issues have come from Yorkshire and the North West where services are being cancelled mostly due to members of train crew being unavailable and sometimes lack of serviceable trains being available.

I'm not quite sure what stripping them of the franchise is going to achieve as it's unlikely the current issues can magically be resolved. The increase of services and the need for more trains in this franchise was always going to be a struggle but delayed delivery of new trains and cascades certainly haven't helped them.

I get the feeling the stripping them of the franchise is more for appearances than anything. It doesn't really matter if it was Northern's fault or not, the damage to their reputation is already done. I wouldn't be surprised if Arriva wanted out as much as passengers wanted them out!

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