Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded
Newcastle Clean Air Zone: services which need to be upgraded
(05 Oct 2021, 2:02 pm)Dan No. Arriva can't bid for Metro Replacement, the only operators that can are Go North East, Stagecoach and JH Coaches.The last time i saw Stagecoach run the 900,was like 2003,theyve probably done again since then but i havent seen it
Stagecoach have never bid for a Metro Replacement contract yet (presumably isn't worth the hassle to them), so it's only really out of Go North East and JH Coaches. As I said before, I'd imagine Nexus will specify that the Miscellaneous Works contracts from September 2022 must be Euro 6. All the buses operating these services currently (Volvo B7TL, Scania OmniDekka, Dennis Trident) can be upgraded to Euro 6.
(05 Oct 2021, 2:02 pm)Dan No. Arriva can't bid for Metro Replacement, the only operators that can are Go North East, Stagecoach and JH Coaches.The last time i saw Stagecoach run the 900,was like 2003,theyve probably done again since then but i havent seen it
Stagecoach have never bid for a Metro Replacement contract yet (presumably isn't worth the hassle to them), so it's only really out of Go North East and JH Coaches. As I said before, I'd imagine Nexus will specify that the Miscellaneous Works contracts from September 2022 must be Euro 6. All the buses operating these services currently (Volvo B7TL, Scania OmniDekka, Dennis Trident) can be upgraded to Euro 6.
(06 Oct 2021, 11:54 pm)V514DFT The last time i saw Stagecoach run the 900,was like 2003,theyve probably done again since then but i havent seen it
(06 Oct 2021, 11:54 pm)V514DFT The last time i saw Stagecoach run the 900,was like 2003,theyve probably done again since then but i havent seen it
(06 Oct 2021, 11:54 pm)V514DFT The last time i saw Stagecoach run the 900,was like 2003,theyve probably done again since then but i havent seen it
(06 Oct 2021, 11:54 pm)V514DFT The last time i saw Stagecoach run the 900,was like 2003,theyve probably done again since then but i havent seen it
(07 Dec 2021, 11:29 pm)Keeiajs Does anyone think there will be a Euro 7,
(07 Dec 2021, 11:29 pm)Keeiajs Does anyone think there will be a Euro 7,
(07 Dec 2021, 11:29 pm)Keeiajs Does anyone think there will be a Euro 7,https://www.aecc.eu/wp-content/uploads/2...Euro-7.pdf
(07 Dec 2021, 11:29 pm)Keeiajs Does anyone think there will be a Euro 7,https://www.aecc.eu/wp-content/uploads/2...Euro-7.pdf
(08 Dec 2021, 8:30 am)54APhotography https://www.aecc.eu/wp-content/uploads/2...Euro-7.pdf
(08 Dec 2021, 8:30 am)54APhotography https://www.aecc.eu/wp-content/uploads/2...Euro-7.pdf
I think this is probably recycled from what Newcastle CC put out at the end of November, but: 'Newcastle calls for grant support ahead of CAZ launch'
"The council has asked the government for £23m to pay for grants that would help towards the cost of upgrading vehicles so that CAZ charges can be avoided.
"However, the council is still awaiting feedback from the government, as soon as they find out how much funding will be available they will let residents know via a new newsletter."
Also quotes a start date of July 2022 for the Newcastle CAZ, although it remains to be seen whether or not that is pushed back like Bradford's CAZ scheme did.
(09 Jan 2022, 11:40 pm)col87 Have heard from a few people now that the Enviro 200 MMC at Stockton are going to Newcastle been swapped with the older Man Alexander 300s. That would mean Stockton gets a downgrade while Newcastle is upgraded further.
(09 Jan 2022, 11:40 pm)col87 Have heard from a few people now that the Enviro 200 MMC at Stockton are going to Newcastle been swapped with the older Man Alexander 300s. That would mean Stockton gets a downgrade while Newcastle is upgraded further.
(09 Jan 2022, 11:52 pm)peter It makes a bit of a mockery of the whole CAZ initiative if vehicles aren't upgraded or replaced and are pushed about elsewhere. It's not just Stagecoach of course Go North East have done it too. Would be interesting to know what the air quality impacts are for Stockton and Sunderland.
(09 Jan 2022, 11:52 pm)peter It makes a bit of a mockery of the whole CAZ initiative if vehicles aren't upgraded or replaced and are pushed about elsewhere. It's not just Stagecoach of course Go North East have done it too. Would be interesting to know what the air quality impacts are for Stockton and Sunderland.
(10 Jan 2022, 10:29 am)Ianthegoon Indeed; it's really not what the Council's objective is!
However, if the air quality in Stockton and Sunderland is OK, whereas that in Newcastle is poor, then the quality in Newcastle needs to be improved. If the means of achieving this then means that Stockton and Sunderland's air quality falls below that required, then those locations will also get CAZs proposed, which in turn WILL require expenditure on new vehicles as there's no more spare capacity for the merry-go-round to continue.
(10 Jan 2022, 10:29 am)Ianthegoon Indeed; it's really not what the Council's objective is!
However, if the air quality in Stockton and Sunderland is OK, whereas that in Newcastle is poor, then the quality in Newcastle needs to be improved. If the means of achieving this then means that Stockton and Sunderland's air quality falls below that required, then those locations will also get CAZs proposed, which in turn WILL require expenditure on new vehicles as there's no more spare capacity for the merry-go-round to continue.
(10 Jan 2022, 11:11 am)Rob44 100% agee with this. It would be hardly an option to say that every but in england need to meet the require standard by xxx date. so start in the worst place which include Newcastle. Now if SCNE and other want to move there buses around then that really a matter for them and as Ian says if stockten/5under1and get them and there quality decreases they will get new buses and the buses they received will be moved onto another area i would guess and so forth. Not ideal by any means...
(10 Jan 2022, 11:11 am)Rob44 100% agee with this. It would be hardly an option to say that every but in england need to meet the require standard by xxx date. so start in the worst place which include Newcastle. Now if SCNE and other want to move there buses around then that really a matter for them and as Ian says if stockten/5under1and get them and there quality decreases they will get new buses and the buses they received will be moved onto another area i would guess and so forth. Not ideal by any means...
(09 Jan 2022, 11:52 pm)peter It makes a bit of a mockery of the whole CAZ initiative if vehicles aren't upgraded or replaced and are pushed about elsewhere. It's not just Stagecoach of course Go North East have done it too. Would be interesting to know what the air quality impacts are for Stockton and Sunderland.
(09 Jan 2022, 11:52 pm)peter It makes a bit of a mockery of the whole CAZ initiative if vehicles aren't upgraded or replaced and are pushed about elsewhere. It's not just Stagecoach of course Go North East have done it too. Would be interesting to know what the air quality impacts are for Stockton and Sunderland.
(11 Jan 2022, 12:27 pm)Adrian I think you're right that it makes a mockery of a CAZ scheme, when it results in neighbouring Towns and Cities suffer as a result, but Councils are largely very parochial by nature and quite frankly won't care less. One of the biggest reasons that the North East devolution has never really progressed.I've often wondered if we see an arbitrary deadline set by the government, which would see these vehicles replaced before they're life expired - similar to the low floor situation.
And whilst some places have ended up with big downgrades and a lesser service for customers there, I do think at the same time it should be recognised the substantial investment that has gone into preparation for the Newcastle CAZ. Walkergate and Slatyford have had 47x E400MMCs and 18x E200MMCs between them. Then there's the original 19x Streetdecks for the Angel, 20x Streetdecks across the X1/X45/X46, 18x E400MMCs and and 11x E200MMCs that Go North East have brought into service.
The ideal would be to regulate against the use of older buses in service work, but in reality it's going to be a problem that solves itself in the next couple of years, as some of these older buses are already on their last legs.
(11 Jan 2022, 12:27 pm)Adrian I think you're right that it makes a mockery of a CAZ scheme, when it results in neighbouring Towns and Cities suffer as a result, but Councils are largely very parochial by nature and quite frankly won't care less. One of the biggest reasons that the North East devolution has never really progressed.I've often wondered if we see an arbitrary deadline set by the government, which would see these vehicles replaced before they're life expired - similar to the low floor situation.
And whilst some places have ended up with big downgrades and a lesser service for customers there, I do think at the same time it should be recognised the substantial investment that has gone into preparation for the Newcastle CAZ. Walkergate and Slatyford have had 47x E400MMCs and 18x E200MMCs between them. Then there's the original 19x Streetdecks for the Angel, 20x Streetdecks across the X1/X45/X46, 18x E400MMCs and and 11x E200MMCs that Go North East have brought into service.
The ideal would be to regulate against the use of older buses in service work, but in reality it's going to be a problem that solves itself in the next couple of years, as some of these older buses are already on their last legs.