Newcastle City Centre Developments

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just seen on FB the worsick streets old bus station has eventually come down. Anyone know what's going up in its place or has it just ben taken down for some other reason like safty?
(16 Jan 2021, 1:12 pm)Rob44 Wrote: just seen on FB the worsick streets old bus station has eventually come down. Anyone know what's going up in its place or has it just ben taken down for some other reason like safty?


A shame it's gone and a shame it stood empty for so long.
I didn't use it much pre-86, as like most, I made the switch to the Metro with the bus feeding in to the metro at Gateshead.
Post-86 and the extension of buses over the river, meant I used it more often.

There was always something about it that I liked.
Whether it was the danger aspect, the fact H&S had obviously missed it when doing their rounds or something else.
The left hand turn in off Market Street, the dip in the road as it entered Worswick Street and the ramp up in to the bus station...

Then straight out and back over the bridge and no faffing about with traffic lights across the town. 
The time and resource saved compared to now and the 15mins in/15mins out it takes must be massive.

A shame.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...r-22033508

An interesting one. 
Whilst I agree with the idea in principle, in reality it's going to have a negative effect on the city. 
Relying on public transport to get home at the end of the night - that doesn't exist for a huge part of the region or is slow, awkward, cumbersome, involves changes and doesn't allow for much shopping bag space - isn't going to be attractive to the majority of those people who choose to drive/park in the city centre on an evening.

Forcing people out of their cars isn't the way forward imo.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
(03 Nov 2021, 11:27 am)Andreos1 Wrote: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...r-22033508

An interesting one. 
Whilst I agree with the idea in principle, in reality it's going to have a negative effect on the city. 
Relying on public transport to get home at the end of the night - that doesn't exist for a huge part of the region or is slow, awkward, cumbersome, involves changes and doesn't allow for much shopping bag space - isn't going to be attractive to the majority of those people who choose to drive/park in the city centre on an evening.

Forcing people out of their cars isn't the way forward imo.

It's a terrible idea. The council are naive to believe people will change to public transport. All that'll happen is people will go to the Metro Centre, Morpeth, Silverlink, Boldon, Cramlington and so on instead where there's still free parking. They seem to forget that cars don't have to go into Newcastle and people driving in are very unlikely drinking anyway so the options are all over the place. There's plenty of nice restaurants and entertainment ie. cinemas throughout the region without touching Newcastle (most which are cheaper anyway).
(03 Nov 2021, 11:32 am)Storx Wrote: It's a terrible idea. The council are naive to believe people will change to public transport. All that'll happen is people will go to the Metro Centre, Morpeth, Silverlink, Boldon, Cramlington and so on instead where there's still free parking. They seem to forget that cars don't have to go into Newcastle and people driving in are very unlikely drinking anyway so the options are all over the place. There's plenty of nice restaurants and entertainment ie. cinemas throughout the region without touching Newcastle (most which are cheaper anyway).

Assuming those people parking after 5 are actually leisure customers and not people working in the night time economy.
It almost defeats the point of a low waged worker, going to work. Bearing in mind a chunk of their hourly wage will be spent on parking now. 

Then there's this:
https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2021-...ce=NewsApp&utm_medium=SocialShare



'weak public transport costing economy'. Yet they're wanting to get rid of free parking Huh


There's also a quote from a bloke who lives in Crawcrook and relies on lifts to get to work 7 miles down the road.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
(03 Nov 2021, 9:19 pm)Andreos1 Wrote: Assuming those people parking after 5 are actually leisure customers and not people working in the night time economy.
It almost defeats the point of a low waged worker, going to work. Bearing in mind a chunk of their hourly wage will be spent on parking now. 

Then there's this:
https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2021-...ce=NewsApp&utm_medium=SocialShare



'weak public transport costing economy'. Yet they're wanting to get rid of free parking Huh


There's also a quote from a bloke who lives in Crawcrook and relies on lifts to get to work 7 miles down the road.

Yeah that's fair point but don't they all shut at 10pm/11pm so wouldn't be much use for people working late anyway. Think only Grainger Town is open 24/7 (or it used to be, that might have changed aswell now).

I think it's counter productive it was proven that the free parking improved the economy massively now all of the sudden removing it is going to improve the economy aswell. Something doesn't add up.

Can't argue about the poor public transport though tbh.
If the city has been told it needs to address it’s illegal levels of pollution as quickly as possible, and therefore encourage sustainable travel options, it would be ridiculous to meanwhile continue offer free parking which acts as a magnet drawing cars into the city centre.

Metro offering free parking at their Park & Ride sites is a good move to help regain patronage.

Many people can’t afford cars and Newcastle has a lower than average car ownership. It’s rather unfair free parking has been offered for so long but not free (or at least cheaper) public transport.

https://twitter.com/newcastlecc/status/1...00134?s=21
(04 Nov 2021, 2:26 pm)ne14ne1 Wrote: If the city has been told it needs to address it’s illegal levels of pollution as quickly as possible, and therefore encourage sustainable travel options, it would be ridiculous to meanwhile continue offer free parking which acts as a magnet drawing cars into the city centre.

Metro offering free parking at their Park & Ride sites is a good move to help regain patronage.

Many people can’t afford cars and Newcastle has a lower than average car ownership. It’s rather unfair free parking has been offered for so long but not free (or at least cheaper) public transport.

https://twitter.com/newcastlecc/status/1...00134?s=21

 I agree with all of the points you have made - but it doesn't alter the fact that we have public transport system which doesn't offer a viable alternative to parking the car for quite a large portion of the population.

Until there is some sort of joined up thinking, network development and whatever else - people are going to go where it is free (pollution problem solved for NCC) or continue parking in the city centre (pollution problem not solved but revenues are huge).
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
(04 Nov 2021, 7:41 pm)Andreos1 Wrote:  I agree with all of the points you have made - but it doesn't alter the fact that we have public transport system which doesn't offer a viable alternative to parking the car for quite a large portion of the population.

Until there is some sort of joined up thinking, network development and whatever else - people are going to go where it is free (pollution problem solved for NCC) or continue parking in the city centre (pollution problem not solved but revenues are huge).
Joined up thinking is something that is impossible in transport. Even individual bus companies cant timetable busses to connect .
(04 Nov 2021, 7:47 pm)54APhotography Wrote: Joined up thinking is something that is impossible in transport.  Even individual bus companies cant timetable busses to connect .

I don't think it's impossible.
Granted that's often in short supply within operators, but I reckon thet could muster up some joined up thinking if they really wanted to.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
(04 Nov 2021, 2:26 pm)ne14ne1 Wrote: If the city has been told it needs to address it’s illegal levels of pollution as quickly as possible, and therefore encourage sustainable travel options, it would be ridiculous to meanwhile continue offer free parking which acts as a magnet drawing cars into the city centre.

Metro offering free parking at their Park & Ride sites is a good move to help regain patronage.

Many people can’t afford cars and Newcastle has a lower than average car ownership. It’s rather unfair free parking has been offered for so long but not free (or at least cheaper) public transport.

https://twitter.com/newcastlecc/status/1...00134?s=21

Personally I'd rather see a vibrant city centre with people coming in because of the free parking who would have went elsewhere. There's plenty free options around, people wanting to drive will go elsewhere instead some no doubt further away through Newcastle to get to the point.

The biggest problem up here is the fact the councils seem to have decided that everyone going to Newcastle are and MUST BE going to Newcastle when reality most are just travelling through to other places with no form of public transport at all. Newcastle has no route of travelling East / West without going through the centre and there's no route of travelling North / South either because of lack of bridges.

Sunderland get a lot of slack up here but the new Spire Bridge is fantastic and if the councils we're serious about reducing pollution then they should be looking at the Friar Goose Crossing and the bridge to West of Newcastle removing the need for most of the traffic to ever travel through the centre in the first place. It's expensive, but sometimes you need to spend to fix things.