(15 Nov 2015, 12:55 pm)Kuyoyo Was mentioned by the Arriva representative at the Stockton Council Public Transport Forum that the equipment costs about £2.5k per vehicle.
(15 Nov 2015, 12:55 pm)Kuyoyo Was mentioned by the Arriva representative at the Stockton Council Public Transport Forum that the equipment costs about £2.5k per vehicle.
(15 Nov 2015, 12:55 pm)Kuyoyo Was mentioned by the Arriva representative at the Stockton Council Public Transport Forum that the equipment costs about £2.5k per vehicle.
(15 Nov 2015, 12:55 pm)Kuyoyo Was mentioned by the Arriva representative at the Stockton Council Public Transport Forum that the equipment costs about £2.5k per vehicle.
(14 Nov 2015, 1:07 pm)dannygee What is going to happen with the;
310/W3 when the Norham road bridge works start and then the 80 when Billy Mill starts. Going to cause chaos
(14 Nov 2015, 1:07 pm)dannygee What is going to happen with the;
310/W3 when the Norham road bridge works start and then the 80 when Billy Mill starts. Going to cause chaos
(14 Nov 2015, 6:07 pm)Davie Was it like this - https://flic.kr/p/e8TxKU?
Was it like this - https://flic.kr/p/e8TxKU?
(14 Nov 2015, 6:07 pm)Davie Was it like this - https://flic.kr/p/e8TxKU?
Was it like this - https://flic.kr/p/e8TxKU?
(15 Nov 2015, 3:43 pm)DaveyBowyer Can't speak for the W3 or the 80 but if they needed to, 6100 could be brought over from Deptford and result in the 309 / 310 being split for most journeys meaning that:
- With the exception of perhaps the peak times or early mornings where needed for operational reasons or else, no 309 / 310 / X39 journeys would interwork bar a Sunday daytime.
- 309 would operate with a PVR of 10 and the 310 operating with a PVR of 7 with a standby bus being sent to Shields if needed.
- 309 changeovers would take place at New York or North Tyneside Hospital with the 310's taking place on Verne Road as now. Only exception to this would be the small number of journeys which would interwork for operational reasons or else.
- 309 would have 7 minutes layover in Newcastle and roughly 12 minutes in Blyth whereas the 310 would have 6 minutes layover in Newcastle and 12 minutes layover in North Shields (or less if the timings of the 310 were altered to accommodate for the disruption).
(15 Nov 2015, 3:43 pm)DaveyBowyer Can't speak for the W3 or the 80 but if they needed to, 6100 could be brought over from Deptford and result in the 309 / 310 being split for most journeys meaning that:
- With the exception of perhaps the peak times or early mornings where needed for operational reasons or else, no 309 / 310 / X39 journeys would interwork bar a Sunday daytime.
- 309 would operate with a PVR of 10 and the 310 operating with a PVR of 7 with a standby bus being sent to Shields if needed.
- 309 changeovers would take place at New York or North Tyneside Hospital with the 310's taking place on Verne Road as now. Only exception to this would be the small number of journeys which would interwork for operational reasons or else.
- 309 would have 7 minutes layover in Newcastle and roughly 12 minutes in Blyth whereas the 310 would have 6 minutes layover in Newcastle and 12 minutes layover in North Shields (or less if the timings of the 310 were altered to accommodate for the disruption).
(15 Nov 2015, 4:18 pm)Simmy Unfortunately, 6100 is in use at Deptford as a spare bus for a branded route. If 6100 transferred, passengers of the 56 would suffer.
(15 Nov 2015, 4:18 pm)Simmy Unfortunately, 6100 is in use at Deptford as a spare bus for a branded route. If 6100 transferred, passengers of the 56 would suffer.
(15 Nov 2015, 5:40 pm)DaveyBowyer Got to look at it this way though. Whilst the 56 has barely any competing routes (well technically the Metro and Train but I don't think anybody would do the whole Fab 56 route from Newcastle unlike us lot), the X39, 309 and 310 have the following:
- Arriva = 306 competing with the 309/310, 308 competing with both but particularly the 309, X6 competing with the X39 and technically, the 309 has to compete with both the X4 and 308 between Seaton Sluice and Blyth.
- Stagecoach = 22 and 22X competing with the X39 and 309.
Now if Deptford only has one spare, this won't affect the Fab 56 greatly as the B9s are pretty reliable and given the extra time that has been added to the Fab 56, then unless a major incident or form of disruption kicks off along route, then the 56 doesn't need to be regulated as such and worst case, if 6099 got sent out and they needed another spare, then a Vyking could be used (or 6100 swapped with one of Percy Main's presidents or Lolynes).
If Percy Main on the other hand has to allocate a Lolyne or a President to their Cobalt Clipper services, then this means that they're losing passengers to Arriva (13/64 reg B5LH or Streetlite vs a V or W reg Lolyne or President or worse, a single decker). Not only this, but a President or a Lolyne would be far more likely to fail en route and if 6100 was used in lieu of 6101 - 6117 if needed, this would reduce the change of any further disruption en route. If the Presidents and Lolynes were constantly being relied upon, then the condition and reliability of these vehicles could deteriorate. Whilst both depots would suffer from 1 less spare vehicle, it would be far better than Percy Main having to constantly rely upon such vehicles. I would say exactly the same if any major roadworks were to happen on the 10/10A/10B routes and Riverside being in the same position needing another vehicle.
(15 Nov 2015, 5:40 pm)DaveyBowyer Got to look at it this way though. Whilst the 56 has barely any competing routes (well technically the Metro and Train but I don't think anybody would do the whole Fab 56 route from Newcastle unlike us lot), the X39, 309 and 310 have the following:
- Arriva = 306 competing with the 309/310, 308 competing with both but particularly the 309, X6 competing with the X39 and technically, the 309 has to compete with both the X4 and 308 between Seaton Sluice and Blyth.
- Stagecoach = 22 and 22X competing with the X39 and 309.
Now if Deptford only has one spare, this won't affect the Fab 56 greatly as the B9s are pretty reliable and given the extra time that has been added to the Fab 56, then unless a major incident or form of disruption kicks off along route, then the 56 doesn't need to be regulated as such and worst case, if 6099 got sent out and they needed another spare, then a Vyking could be used (or 6100 swapped with one of Percy Main's presidents or Lolynes).
If Percy Main on the other hand has to allocate a Lolyne or a President to their Cobalt Clipper services, then this means that they're losing passengers to Arriva (13/64 reg B5LH or Streetlite vs a V or W reg Lolyne or President or worse, a single decker). Not only this, but a President or a Lolyne would be far more likely to fail en route and if 6100 was used in lieu of 6101 - 6117 if needed, this would reduce the change of any further disruption en route. If the Presidents and Lolynes were constantly being relied upon, then the condition and reliability of these vehicles could deteriorate. Whilst both depots would suffer from 1 less spare vehicle, it would be far better than Percy Main having to constantly rely upon such vehicles. I would say exactly the same if any major roadworks were to happen on the 10/10A/10B routes and Riverside being in the same position needing another vehicle.
(15 Nov 2015, 5:49 pm)Michael Why send 6100 to Percy Main so a Vyking could be used on the 56, if 6100 is already out... why not just use a Vyking etc on the 309/310 - although you've said why, its not really a good argument to why Deptford should loose 6100.
You also say: but a President or a Lolyne would be far more likely to fail en route and if 6100 was used in lieu of 6101 - 6117 if needed, this would reduce the change of any further disruption en route. - would or be the same for the 56 to, if they had to use a president or a Lolyne or a daily bases?
Also - what about 6084 from Riverside or one of the spare B7's...... 6084 has the exact same spec's as the Cobalt Clipper B9's...
Edit: Btw Davey i wasn't saying you were starting an argument, i was just saying it as a figure of speech!
(15 Nov 2015, 5:49 pm)Michael Why send 6100 to Percy Main so a Vyking could be used on the 56, if 6100 is already out... why not just use a Vyking etc on the 309/310 - although you've said why, its not really a good argument to why Deptford should loose 6100.
You also say: but a President or a Lolyne would be far more likely to fail en route and if 6100 was used in lieu of 6101 - 6117 if needed, this would reduce the change of any further disruption en route. - would or be the same for the 56 to, if they had to use a president or a Lolyne or a daily bases?
Also - what about 6084 from Riverside or one of the spare B7's...... 6084 has the exact same spec's as the Cobalt Clipper B9's...
Edit: Btw Davey i wasn't saying you were starting an argument, i was just saying it as a figure of speech!
(15 Nov 2015, 6:13 pm)DaveyBowyer No, no, just an open discussion Michael. But if Riverside lost 6084, then what would happen if they needed a spare bus for the TTX? That would then mean the 10A/10B would have to be allocated a B7. Also, unless a major incident was to kick off, then Deptford would only need 6099. The whole point would be that both Percy Main and Deptford would have 1x spare B9 to use as a first resort only having to allocate a Vyking, President or a Lolyne as a last resort.
(15 Nov 2015, 6:13 pm)DaveyBowyer No, no, just an open discussion Michael. But if Riverside lost 6084, then what would happen if they needed a spare bus for the TTX? That would then mean the 10A/10B would have to be allocated a B7. Also, unless a major incident was to kick off, then Deptford would only need 6099. The whole point would be that both Percy Main and Deptford would have 1x spare B9 to use as a first resort only having to allocate a Vyking, President or a Lolyne as a last resort.
(15 Nov 2015, 3:43 pm)DaveyBowyer Can't speak for the W3 or the 80 but if they needed to, 6100 could be brought over from Deptford and result in the 309 / 310 being split for most journeys meaning that:them changes will not happen to 309 just saying if it were anything just a PVR change increase eg every 10 minutes
- With the exception of perhaps the peak times or early mornings where needed for operational reasons or else, no 309 / 310 / X39 journeys would interwork bar a Sunday daytime.
- 309 would operate with a PVR of 10 and the 310 operating with a PVR of 7 with a standby bus being sent to Shields if needed.
- 309 changeovers would take place at New York or North Tyneside Hospital with the 310's taking place on Verne Road as now. Only exception to this would be the small number of journeys which would interwork for operational reasons or else.
- 309 would have 7 minutes layover in Newcastle and roughly 12 minutes in Blyth whereas the 310 would have 6 minutes layover in Newcastle and 12 minutes layover in North Shields (or less if the timings of the 310 were altered to accommodate for the disruption).
(15 Nov 2015, 4:53 pm)Michael Does anyone know when 9119 (SN64 CTU) is due to leave GNE?
(15 Nov 2015, 3:43 pm)DaveyBowyer Can't speak for the W3 or the 80 but if they needed to, 6100 could be brought over from Deptford and result in the 309 / 310 being split for most journeys meaning that:them changes will not happen to 309 just saying if it were anything just a PVR change increase eg every 10 minutes
- With the exception of perhaps the peak times or early mornings where needed for operational reasons or else, no 309 / 310 / X39 journeys would interwork bar a Sunday daytime.
- 309 would operate with a PVR of 10 and the 310 operating with a PVR of 7 with a standby bus being sent to Shields if needed.
- 309 changeovers would take place at New York or North Tyneside Hospital with the 310's taking place on Verne Road as now. Only exception to this would be the small number of journeys which would interwork for operational reasons or else.
- 309 would have 7 minutes layover in Newcastle and roughly 12 minutes in Blyth whereas the 310 would have 6 minutes layover in Newcastle and 12 minutes layover in North Shields (or less if the timings of the 310 were altered to accommodate for the disruption).
(15 Nov 2015, 4:53 pm)Michael Does anyone know when 9119 (SN64 CTU) is due to leave GNE?
(15 Nov 2015, 5:40 pm)DaveyBowyer Got to look at it this way though. Whilst the 56 has barely any competing routes (well technically the Metro and Train but I don't think anybody would do the whole Fab 56 route from Newcastle unlike us lot), the X39, 309 and 310 have the following:
- Arriva = 306 competing with the 309/310, 308 competing with both but particularly the 309, X6 competing with the X39 and technically, the 309 has to compete with both the X4 and 308 between Seaton Sluice and Blyth.
- Stagecoach = 22 and 22X competing with the X39 and 309.
Now if Deptford only has one spare, this won't affect the Fab 56 greatly as the B9s are pretty reliable and given the extra time that has been added to the Fab 56, then unless a major incident or form of disruption kicks off along route, then the 56 doesn't need to be regulated as such and worst case, if 6099 got sent out and they needed another spare, then a Vyking could be used (or 6100 swapped with one of Percy Main's presidents or Lolynes).
If Percy Main on the other hand has to allocate a Lolyne or a President to their Cobalt Clipper services, then this means that they're losing passengers to Arriva (13/64 reg B5LH or Streetlite vs a V or W reg Lolyne or President or worse, a single decker). Not only this, but a President or a Lolyne would be far more likely to fail en route and if 6100 was used in lieu of 6101 - 6117 if needed, this would reduce the change of any further disruption en route. If the Presidents and Lolynes were constantly being relied upon, then the condition and reliability of these vehicles could deteriorate. Whilst both depots would suffer from 1 less spare vehicle, it would be far better than Percy Main having to constantly rely upon such vehicles. I would say exactly the same if any major roadworks were to happen on the 10/10A/10B routes and Riverside being in the same position needing another vehicle.
(15 Nov 2015, 5:40 pm)DaveyBowyer Got to look at it this way though. Whilst the 56 has barely any competing routes (well technically the Metro and Train but I don't think anybody would do the whole Fab 56 route from Newcastle unlike us lot), the X39, 309 and 310 have the following:
- Arriva = 306 competing with the 309/310, 308 competing with both but particularly the 309, X6 competing with the X39 and technically, the 309 has to compete with both the X4 and 308 between Seaton Sluice and Blyth.
- Stagecoach = 22 and 22X competing with the X39 and 309.
Now if Deptford only has one spare, this won't affect the Fab 56 greatly as the B9s are pretty reliable and given the extra time that has been added to the Fab 56, then unless a major incident or form of disruption kicks off along route, then the 56 doesn't need to be regulated as such and worst case, if 6099 got sent out and they needed another spare, then a Vyking could be used (or 6100 swapped with one of Percy Main's presidents or Lolynes).
If Percy Main on the other hand has to allocate a Lolyne or a President to their Cobalt Clipper services, then this means that they're losing passengers to Arriva (13/64 reg B5LH or Streetlite vs a V or W reg Lolyne or President or worse, a single decker). Not only this, but a President or a Lolyne would be far more likely to fail en route and if 6100 was used in lieu of 6101 - 6117 if needed, this would reduce the change of any further disruption en route. If the Presidents and Lolynes were constantly being relied upon, then the condition and reliability of these vehicles could deteriorate. Whilst both depots would suffer from 1 less spare vehicle, it would be far better than Percy Main having to constantly rely upon such vehicles. I would say exactly the same if any major roadworks were to happen on the 10/10A/10B routes and Riverside being in the same position needing another vehicle.
(15 Nov 2015, 6:40 pm)LeeCalder Moving back to the earlier subject of NSA's...
One thing I have noticed with the "Angel - 21" announcements is that some of them say "Gateshead, Hills Street". Whereas others don't.
(15 Nov 2015, 6:40 pm)LeeCalder Moving back to the earlier subject of NSA's...
One thing I have noticed with the "Angel - 21" announcements is that some of them say "Gateshead, Hills Street". Whereas others don't.
